GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #4

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Screenshot from October 2015 - MM friend on a forum implying JC took his first wife's life. I use the term friend loosely, more of an acquaintance. As early as this she was planting the seeds of her story colluded with TM. The conversation TM had at the wedding with MF. The wedding MF wasn't at. She was whispering these stories to whoever would listen. The People supporting her strangers & acquaintances. Where are her school friends, bridesmaids, former work colleagues? The people who really knew her? They haven't come forward, haven't championed MM. MM sounds like a person with a plan & IMO I truly think JC's murder was planned. View attachment 119726


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I think the DA agree with you as do I !

SN appears in her words here to be everything an advocate and support for DV victims shouldn't be. How are these women allowed work with the vulnerable.

It's actually a vile post.

(Rip Mags Corbett)

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I think the DA agree with you as do I !

SN appears in her words here to be everything an advocate and support for DV victims shouldn't be. How are these women allowed work with the vulnerable.

It's actually a vile post.

(Rip Mags Corbett)

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There is more, as vile, but out of respect to Mags family I won't post.


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  • #446
Kittythehare if your reading this come back to us we need you next week ! Your missed on this thread!

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  • #447
Just wanted to share this link. It is the duluth power and control wheel it has been updated to include male dv victims it was shared by some one previously I can't remember where . I think there is a lot of boxes ticked here
Using coercion and threats
  • making and/or carrying out threats to do something to hurt him
  • threatening to leave him, to commit suicide, to report him to welfare
  • threatening to call 911, say he was the abuser
  • threatening to file false domestic violence, restraining order or child sexual abuse charges
  • making him drop charges
  • making him do illegal things
  • Denying or refusing to access to needed medical care or medications
Negotiation and fairness
  • seeking mutually satisfying resolutions to conflict
  • accepting change
  • being willing to compromise
Using intimidation
  • making him afraid by using looks, actions, gestures
  • smashing things
  • destroying his property
  • threatening to falsely accuse him of DV; daring him to phone 911
  • displaying weapons (such as knives)
Non-threatening behaviour
  • talking and acting so that he feels safe and comfortable expressing himself and doing things
Using economic abuse
  • refusing to contribute income to basic expenses
  • making him ask for money
  • giving him an allowance
  • taking his money
  • not letting him know about or have access to family income
  • Forcing him to take higher-paying, more hazardous, less satisfying job
  • preventing him from getting or keeping a job
Economic partnership
  • making money decisions together
  • making sure both partners benefit from financial arrangements
Using emotional abuse
  • putting him down
  • making him feel bad about himself
  • using sex as a weapon; withholding sex except as a "reward"
  • calling him names
  • making him think he's crazy
  • playing mind-games
  • humiliating him
  • making him feel guilty
Respect
  • listening to him non-judgmentally
  • being emotionally affirming and understanding
  • sharing responsibility for mutually-satisfying intimacy
  • valuing opinions
Using gender privilege
  • treating him like a servant
  • treating him as just a wallet
  • making all the big decisions
  • acting like the 'mistress of the house'
  • being the one to define male and female roles
Shared responsibility
  • mutually agreeing on a fair distribution of work
  • making family decisions together
Using isolation
  • controlling what he does, who he sees and talks to, what he reads, where he goes
  • limiting his outside involvement
  • using jealousy to justify actions
Trust and support
  • supporting his goals in life
  • respecting his right to his own feelings, friends, activities and opinions
Using children
  • making him feel guilty about the children
  • using the children to relay messages
  • alienating children from him
  • using visitation to harass him
  • threatening to take the children away
Responsible parenting
  • sharing parental responsibilities
  • being a positive non-violent role model for the children
Minimising, denying and blaming
  • making light of the abuse and not taking his concerns about it seriously
  • saying the abuse didn't happen
  • shifting responsibility for abusive behaviour
  • saying he deserved it
  • saying he caused it
  • saying it was the only way he would pay attention
Honesty and accountability
  • accepting responsibility for self
  • acknowledging past use of violence
  • admitting being wrong
  • communicating openly and truthfully
Criticisms of the Duluth Wheel Approach
MenWeb
(Hoff)

  • It's about blaming and shaming men, more than giving them the insights and support to help them stop their abusive behavior.
  • It's based on ideology, not science.
  • It ignores drinking, drugs, Borderline Personality Disorder and other serious psychological problems.
  • It says there is only one cause for domestic violence, and only one solution.
  • There's no real evidence it works.
  • It ignores domestic violence by women.
  • Women who need help can't get it.
  • It's taught by "wounded healers."
  • It's a gender-polarizing approach that only serves to perpetrate the "battle of the sexes."

  1. It assumes that violence is, in essence, 'male'.
  2. There is an implicit refusal - and in practice generally an explicit refusal - to acknowledge any violence done to men, especially by women.
  3. All responsibility for reducing violence and for creating co-operation is assigned to men - which in effect denies women any power to change their own circumstances, and consequently keeps them trapped in a subordinate 'victim' role.
  4. The methodology is intended to create responsible attitudes by challenging existing behaviour: yet programmes are often presented to men by women in a blaming, punitive environment, which is immediately counter-producti

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Tom Graves, author
Gender-neutral model
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http://www.batteredmen.com/duluwomn.htm

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Just wanted to share this link. It is the duluth power and control wheel it has been updated to include male dv victims it was shared by some one previously I can't remember where . I think there is a lot of boxes ticked here


http://www.batteredmen.com/duluwomn.htm

This was the original one that was shared
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If that wasn't a wheel I'd swear it was MM.

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  • #449
Just want to leave this here, a timeline....
2011 MM marries JC
2013 (June/July) MM confides to Lynn Shanahan that she has seeked legal advice re custody of kids if divorced.
2014 (Fall/Autumn) MM speaks to an attorney re her rights to the children.
2015 (August) JC bludgeoned to death.
https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/corbett-order.pdf
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Just want to leave this here, a timeline....
2011 MM marries JC
2013 (June/July) MM confides to Lynn Shanahan that she has seeked legal advice re custody of kids if divorced.
2014 (Fall/Autumn) MM speaks to an attorney re her rights to the children.
2015 (August) JC bludgeoned to death.
https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/corbett-order.pdf
a2075cb75664b9f526db5458c889a7b4.png



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2013 (June/July) MM confides to Lynn Shanahan that she has seeked legal advice re custody of kids if divorced.

I always found this particularly malicious that she would confide in a friend of Jason's that she sought legal advice about a divorce . IMO she knew this was going straight back to him. Where were her own friends to confide in
 
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i agree and think none of the childrens statements should have been reported in the media

I think much of what has been reported in the media so far isn't a fair and accurate portrayal of what transpired in the Corbett household, be it in Ireland or North Carolina. I'm hoping the trial brings some of the truth to light.

It's my understanding that the interviews conducted at Dragonfly were on behalf of the children themselves as victims of DV in protection of their rights. They contain information not just helpful to Molly's defense, but potentially exculpatory. That's a big deal in terms of the right to a fair trial. Precautions were taken to ensure that the truth was being told by the same detective who then declared the children were coached when he didn't hear what he wanted to hear. Easy to say they were coached but then not act on it. A detective trying to make a case instead of investigating a crime. A detective whose colleague was abusing system privileges to embezzle money (previously linked). It's tainted. IMO It's extremely disappointing that law enforcement would further victimize anyone.

Preparing a child for testimonial interviews is not the same as coaching them about what to say. I hope these children eventually get over the idea that their life in NC was all about murder. I mean, Molly stepped forward to be their Mother when no one else did. (Not that anyone else wouldn't, just didn't). And, she was obviously loved by Jack and Sarah, so to convince them now that wasn't real is not morally right and not credible IMO. I don't think the Jury will buy it. It appears Molly devoted her life to giving those children a happy, healthy family life in North Carolina until the domestic violence crept in. IMO She assumed a rather pitiful thankless role in life. Molly had no power over Jason as in money or children, so it's hard to see her as the primary abuser when she had nothing to hold over his head with which to emotionally extort him (except maybe sex). But, all Jason needed to do to win the fight was intimidate her with his size. Not such a fair fight really. IMO. I see her as more vulnerable than he was. And it surprises me that people that love him want to paint him as the only victim of domestic violence in this situation, as if any man would really appreciate being portrayed to his children and the world by his own family. Sorry if anyone is offended by what I'm saying but I don't think anyone has a right to not be offended.

Trial By Social Media wherein justice is weighed by click-bait is fake news. IMO... It has no evidentiary value and I'm doubtful it will be introduced at the trial. It's so hard to know what to believe in the news anymore. Everyone seems to have their own agenda and wants you to believe what they say rather than letting you decide for yourself. I mean, constantly trying to convince you of something being true instead of telling you something because it's the truth and backing it up with facts. It's never ending. Fake news goes on forever. And it will surely be here to read when Jack and Sarah grow up. It's a shame. IMO
 
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I think much of what has been reported in the media so far isn't a fair and accurate portrayal of what transpired in the Corbett household, be it in Ireland or North Carolina. I'm hoping the trial brings some of the truth to light.

It's my understanding that the interviews conducted at Dragonfly were on behalf of the children themselves as victims of DV in protection of their rights. They contain information not just helpful to Molly's defense, but potentially exculpatory. That's a big deal in terms of the right to a fair trial. Precautions were taken to ensure that the truth was being told by the same detective who then declared the children were coached when he didn't hear what he wanted to hear. Easy to say they were coached but then not act on it. A detective trying to make a case instead of investigating a crime. A detective whose colleague was abusing system privileges to embezzle money (previously linked). It's tainted. IMO It's extremely disappointing that law enforcement would further victimize anyone.

Preparing a child for testimonial interviews is not the same as coaching them about what to say. I hope these children eventually get over the idea that their life in NC was all about murder. I mean, Molly stepped forward to be their Mother when no one else did. (Not that anyone else wouldn't, just didn't). And, she was obviously loved by Jack and Sarah, so to convince them now that wasn't real is not morally right and not credible IMO. I don't think the Jury will buy it. It appears Molly devoted her life to giving those children a happy, healthy family life in North Carolina until the domestic violence crept in. IMO She assumed a rather pitiful thankless role in life. Molly had no power over Jason as in money or children, so it's hard to see her as the primary abuser when she had nothing to hold over his head with which to emotionally extort him (except maybe sex). But, all Jason needed to do to win the fight was intimidate her with his size. Not such a fair fight really. IMO. I see her as more vulnerable than he was. And it surprises me that people that love him want to paint him as the only victim of domestic violence in this situation, as if any man would really appreciate being portrayed to his children and the world by his own family. Sorry if anyone is offended by what I'm saying but I don't think anyone has a right to not be offended.

Trial By Social Media wherein justice is weighed by click-bait is fake news. IMO... It has no evidentiary value and I'm doubtful it will be introduced at the trial. It's so hard to know what to believe in the news anymore. Everyone seems to have their own agenda and wants you to believe what they say rather than letting you decide for yourself. I mean, constantly trying to convince you of something being true instead of telling you something because it's the truth and backing it up with facts. It's never ending. Fake news goes on forever. And it will surely be here to read when Jack and Sarah grow up. It's a shame. IMO

Have you read Keith Maginn's book "Turning this thing around?" Can you explain to me how the chaotic, malicious woman became magically the Perfect Mother of Facebook? Those behaviors, those issues, those rages, the propensity to lie and manipulate...didn't just dissipate when she crossed the Atlantic.

We know nothing of her "mothering" skills toward those children. Yes, she looks perfect on Facebook...but so did HER life. It was all fantasy, any way you look at it. Frankly, her behavior since she slaughtered her husband, which we have witnessed...has been at best...insensitive and selfish of THEIR needs and THEIR grief...putting her needs first. At worst, it reeks of the same manipulative behaviors described in Maginn's book.

As for "coaching"...these children were in the house when their Father was savagely beaten to death. Think of it, in his own bedroom, his own home, by "family." These are all the things children consider to be "safe." Home is a safe place. Going to sleep in your bed is "safe." And family members are the safest people of all. MM's rage destroyed all that for these two children. Guess what, if they get mad enough, Moms can beat you to death in your own bedroom...in your own home.

So MM stripped these children of that feeling of safety and sanctuary. And then what? Were they allowed to show their grief for their Dad? Were they allowed to love him, honor him? Why did their stories change? How terrifying can it be to be under the control of the killers of your Dad? Do you dare stand up to them, say anything other than what they tell you to say. Do you dare confess you love your Dad, that he was a wonderful Dad? Not when your sanctuary, your safety has been stripped and you are in the custody of his killers!

Tell me please how the "Wedding warning" lie indicates any concern in the least for the damage such a lie might do to these children? This is cruelty beyond the pale. It ties in perfectly with Maginn's autobiography of chaos, lies and cruelty.

It certainly doesn't fit the Facebook fairytale MotherLove Queen extraordinaire.
 
  • #453
My takeaway from McGinn's book was that Molly had a golf ball size tumor on her foot that caused her years of pain and suffering. That's why I thought it more than just a coincidence that the children said their Dad targeted Molly's foot as he was tossing her about. You know, stepping on her foot; and running over it with the car. Seems particularly mean. IMO

And, As I recall, McGinn doesn't mention Molly being violent with him does he? Or threatening him with her father? Sorry, No patterns of behavior there. No indications of a murderer there. Let's move along. IMO
 
  • #454
Yes, let's move along... to the autopsy. You are quoting things that could well be lies that terrified children were frightened into saying.

Did Molly everreceive medical attention? Did she ever take the children to a safe house?

Many pages ago, we discussed that by proving abuse a stepparent could successfully become the custodial parent in NC. So why not catalogue her injuries, take the kids to one of the many safe houses, inform authorities that she had been assaulted with a car... and make her case?.

Why not? Lifestyle going to be reduced?

If you combine Maginn's book with the autopsy report , you see that her rage escalated into something beyond her control. Like many criminals, MM escalated.

No sane rational human could inflict that much pain on another human. His brain matter spattered on the walls! Pounding him with a bat and then a brick! That kind of overkill speaks of a cruelty so monstrous that luckily...it is rare.

I can't imagine anyone who could look at her husband writhing in pain, , look at the blood, and wounds, hear his moans and SEE his pain...she saw his death coming upon upon him as she inflicted each and every blow...I can't imagine how anyone could find her in any range of "normal." The fantasy Mother of Facebook.

Could you beat a dog like that...over and over and over...even when he's down and dying? This is what the jury must be asked? Even a dog that bit you...could you beat it until its brains were spattered on the walls? Could you continue on and on...watching all that pain?

Sorry to be graphic...but that the reality of the autopsy. It's horrific.

And the autopsy is the reality of Ms. Molly Martens.

My opinion only of course.
 
  • #455
Or the children are terrified to admit they really love Molly. That's a very real possibility. And let's face it, the children know if their Dad was mean to Molly or not. If Molly is responsible for the overkill then she will have to account for it or she will be found guilty of something. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility she has evidence to back up her claims of abuse. She was obviously very mad at Jason and believed she had been abused by him. IMO
 
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Just want to leave this here, a timeline....
2011 MM marries JC
2013 (June/July) MM confides to Lynn Shanahan that she has seeked legal advice re custody of kids if divorced.
2014 (Fall/Autumn) MM speaks to an attorney re her rights to the children.
2015 (August) JC bludgeoned to death.
https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/corbett-order.pdf
a2075cb75664b9f526db5458c889a7b4.png



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Great to have a timeline especially for next week. Thanks

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Yes, let's move along... to the autopsy. You are quoting things that could well be lies that terrified children were frightened into saying.

Did Molly everreceive medical attention? Did she ever take the children to a safe house?

Many pages ago, we discussed that by proving abuse a stepparent could successfully become the custodial parent in NC. So why not catalogue her injuries, take the kids to one of the many safe houses, inform authorities that she had been assaulted with a car... and make her case?.

Why not? Lifestyle going to be reduced?

If you combine Maginn's book with the autopsy report , you see that her rage escalated into something beyond her control. Like many criminals, MM escalated.

No sane rational human could inflict that much pain on another human. His brain matter spattered on the walls! Pounding him with a bat and then a brick! That kind of overkill speaks of a cruelty so monstrous that luckily...it is rare.

I can't imagine anyone who could look at her husband writhing in pain, , look at the blood, and wounds, hear his moans and SEE his pain...she saw his death coming upon upon him as she inflicted each and every blow...I can't imagine how anyone could find her in any range of "normal." The fantasy Mother of Facebook.

Could you beat a dog like that...over and over and over...even when he's down and dying? This is what the jury must be asked? Even a dog that bit you...could you beat it until its brains were spattered on the walls? Could you continue on and on...watching all that pain?

Sorry to be graphic...but that the reality of the autopsy. It's horrific.

And the autopsy is the reality of Ms. Molly Martens.

My opinion only of course.
Unfortunately the trial will envitably bring with it endless theories designed to throw doubt into jurors minds. It's very rare that someone on trial doesn't try to smear the victims name or character to give reason as to why they committed the murder because let's face it how do you explain taking someone's life. I expect it to be no different here so carrying on as we have done for 2 years now filtering the noise from the facts is what we we do over the next few weeks.

The facts will speak for themselves so ignore the noise and we will leave the fake news to the man in the USA who brandished the term trying to demoralise free press and free speech ironically the same person was recorded saying some extremely crude and offensive things about women and later had to publicly apologise so I wouldn't regard his views as having any relevance to a Murder case .
And there is an element of the term being used in situations where people want to distract from the facts. I think there is a websleuths thread on the subject of this guy actually. It might be helpful for venting opinion on the matter.

Let's just keep JC in our minds moving forward he is the victim and we will continue to respect his memory on this victim friendly forum even when folks try to demoralise and belittle his life and death.

Agree with your points stmarysmead

Moo

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  • #458
Or the children are terrified to admit they really love Molly. That's a very real possibility. And let's face it, the children know if their Dad was mean to Molly or not. If Molly is responsible for the overkill then she will have to account for it or she will be found guilty of something. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility she has evidence to back up her claims of abuse. She was obviously very mad at Jason and believed she had been abused by him. IMO

I think at this stage that's wishful thinking on MM's part and wishful thinking on your part. You have provided no proof/evidence only noise. Trying to deflect from the facts. MM is a liar at heart. MM has had two years since Jason's murder to concoct her fairytale & most likely 2 years prior to plan it all. She just did not allow for the tenacity & strength of Tracey & David Lynch. She thought Jason was the only thing standing in her way of her plan. She was wrong. I would think the only people the children are terrified of is the Marten family. A direct reflection from their brutal actions! IMO
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  • #459
I think at this stage that's wishful thinking on MM's part and wishful thinking on your part. You have provided no proof/evidence only noise. Trying to deflect from the facts. MM is a liar at heart. MM has had two years since Jason's murder to concoct her fairytale & most likely 2 years prior to plan it all. She just did not allow for the tenacity & strength of Tracey & David Lynch. She thought Jason was the only thing standing in her way of her plan. She was wrong. I would think the only people the children are terrified of is the Marten family. A direct reflection from their brutal actions! IMO


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👏👏well said.

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  • #460
I think much of what has been reported in the media so far isn't a fair and accurate portrayal of what transpired in the Corbett household, be it in Ireland or North Carolina. I'm hoping the trial brings some of the truth to light.

It's my understanding that the interviews conducted at Dragonfly were on behalf of the children themselves as victims of DV in protection of their rights. They contain information not just helpful to Molly's defense, but potentially exculpatory. That's a big deal in terms of the right to a fair trial. Precautions were taken to ensure that the truth was being told by the same detective who then declared the children were coached when he didn't hear what he wanted to hear. Easy to say they were coached but then not act on it. A detective trying to make a case instead of investigating a crime. A detective whose colleague was abusing system privileges to embezzle money (previously linked). It's tainted. IMO It's extremely disappointing that law enforcement would further victimize anyone.

Preparing a child for testimonial interviews is not the same as coaching them about what to say. I hope these children eventually get over the idea that their life in NC was all about murder. I mean, Molly stepped forward to be their Mother when no one else did. (Not that anyone else wouldn't, just didn't). And, she was obviously loved by Jack and Sarah, so to convince them now that wasn't real is not morally right and not credible IMO. I don't think the Jury will buy it. It appears Molly devoted her life to giving those children a happy, healthy family life in North Carolina until the domestic violence crept in. IMO She assumed a rather pitiful thankless role in life. Molly had no power over Jason as in money or children, so it's hard to see her as the primary abuser when she had nothing to hold over his head with which to emotionally extort him (except maybe sex). But, all Jason needed to do to win the fight was intimidate her with his size. Not such a fair fight really. IMO. I see her as more vulnerable than he was. And it surprises me that people that love him want to paint him as the only victim of domestic violence in this situation, as if any man would really appreciate being portrayed to his children and the world by his own family. Sorry if anyone is offended by what I'm saying but I don't think anyone has a right to not be offended.

Trial By Social Media wherein justice is weighed by click-bait is fake news. IMO... It has no evidentiary value and I'm doubtful it will be introduced at the trial. It's so hard to know what to believe in the news anymore. Everyone seems to have their own agenda and wants you to believe what they say rather than letting you decide for yourself. I mean, constantly trying to convince you of something being true instead of telling you something because it's the truth and backing it up with facts. It's never ending. Fake news goes on forever. And it will surely be here to read when Jack and Sarah grow up. It's a shame. IMO

I think all of us, despite our differing opinions, have over the last few weeks made a concerted effort not to return this thread to opinion filled posts based on conjecture. Whenever we find something new or are re-covering past items which have struck a chord with us we have referenced where possible a MSM article, or a reference article to get across our point.

It is clear from reading past posts, and recent posts that you are now obviously privy to 'inside information' from Molly's side (which is fair enough, as I said we have managed to maintain a respectful debate here in the most part despite our differences). None of us know what those interviews actually contain. We are all trying to read through supposition and misreporting to better understand the contents. So facts of statement about them containing exculpatory evidence is impossible, it is not an evidentiary statement. Again, how do we know what precautions were taken? Why are we assuming that law enforcement didn't do their job correctly - I would imagine that when investigating an FBI agent the local force would go out of their way to dot their i's and cross their t's incase TM pulled in a favour and had their work checked over.

Again my understanding is that when the detectives realised the children were being coached, that is when they went to the judge with their concerns and the children were removed from Molly. I would agree that a trained officer would know the difference between preparing a child for testimonial interview and coaching them.

As for your point about the family's portrayal of Jason, I think it is very simple, you have presented the exact reason why the family are being so open with this message. If Jason had not been embarrassed/shamed/and guilted into staying with Molly despite everything that was going on in the home, he would still be alive. If Jason had felt he could walk away and leave without everything blowing up, the kids would still have their Dad. You have just proven the point, Jason was surrounded by so much stigma, by society telling him that his size was enough to keep his wife in line, that his 'meek' wife could never be a threat to him, that a 'real man' would be able to deal with this, how could he leave? If you had lost someone you loved in similar circumstances, I am sure you would do all you could to change how society views male-DV, to try to prevent someone else going through what you are having to now.

Jack & Sarah know what went on in that house, they know the truth. It is a fact that children from a home where DV occurs are far more likely to make poor partner choices in later life. If they were my charges, there is no doubt I would be telling them (over and over again) that what happened to their father is not right, it is not normal. To show them that there is no shame in asking for help, in understanding the warning signs and walking away.

Again any and all information you can provide to back up your theories will be looked at respectfully and with interest.

All IMO.
 
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