GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #4

[Logic-lady]

It's my understanding that the interviews conducted at Dragonfly were on behalf of the children themselves as victims of DV in protection of their rights.

I am interested in the Dragonfly interviews - can you clarify do you mean you think the children themselves experienced abuse? As in on-going or on the night in question? Or do you mean, as we have suggested previously, that as they were present in the house where a murder occurred they were treated as victims of DV?

 

[stephanddoody]

But, all Jason needed to do to win the fight was intimidate her with his size. Not such a fair fight really. IMO. I see her as more vulnerable than he was. And it surprises me that people that love him want to paint him as the only victim of domestic violence in this situation, as if any man would really appreciate being portrayed to his children and the world by his own family.

I think your assertion that Jasons family should be ashamed that Jason was a victim of domestic violence is why the vicious cycle of abuse continues to go unrecognised and men don't openly admit they are victims of abuse . They are "big enough" to be in control is that your answer ? They are stronger so they couldn't be a victim ? You are victim blaming again . Are male victims of DV somehow a lesser man because they can't put their woman in place ? Do they deserve to be victims of dv because of it is that what you are saying ? Do they deserve to be called fat because they are over weight and humiliated in front of friends. Have you looked at the stats on male DV or are they made up ? Do they all deserve to be battered to death in their own homes ? Did they all do something to deserve the abuse ? I have been willing to look past your snide remarks but I am not willing to look past this how dare you suggest that being a male victim of domestic violence is something to be embarrassed about ! That it makes them a lesser man . That it makes them a lesser father ! That its something children should be embarrassed about . Very backward thinking
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

 

[Columbo16]

Or the children are terrified to admit they really love Molly. That's a very real possibility. And let's face it, the children know if their Dad was mean to Molly or not. If Molly is responsible for the overkill then she will have to account for it or she will be found guilty of something. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility she has evidence to back up her claims of abuse. She was obviously very mad at Jason and believed she had been abused by him. IMO

I seem to recall at the last court hearing that TL revealed that JC wanted to know "If the Maartens were locked up yet" That to me shows that any love for MM has been replaced with wanting justice for his father.IMO. What a terrible weight to have been put on such young shoulders by MM and TM
IMO

 

[Fairness71]

I think your assertion that Jasons family should be ashamed that Jason was a victim of domestic violence is why the vicious cycle of abuse continues to go unrecognised and men don't openly admit they are victims of abuse . They are "big enough" to be in control is that your answer ? They are stronger so they couldn't be a victim ? You are victim blaming again . Are male victims of DV somehow a lesser man because they can't put their woman in place ? Do they deserve to be victims of dv because of it is that what you are saying ? Do they deserve to be called fat because they are over weight and humiliated in front of friends. Have you looked at the stats on male DV or are they made up ? Do they all deserve to be battered to death in their own homes ? Did they all do something to deserve the abuse ? I have been willing to look past your snide remarks but I am not willing to look past this how dare you suggest that being a male victim of domestic violence is something to be embarrassed about ! That it makes them a lesser man . That it makes them a lesser father ! That its something children should be embarrassed about . Very backward thinking
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

Very well said, Jason died because he was MURDERED. And MM's claims of domestic violence are an affront to every man, woman & child who live with this awful abuse daily.


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[emmalpage81]

Just a reminder to people if you do not like a post just keep scrolling. We are a week from trial and I for one do not want the thread to be closed.

 

[emmalpage81]

Just going back to something that peregrino raised a few pages back regarding the brick/stone. I note the ME's report lists it as being a 'landscaping stone'. However, looking back through old articles it is variously called a landscaping stone, landscaping brick, concrete brick and paving slab. I cannot see any reason to have a brick or paving slab just lying about in a bedroom. Given images showing an upscale and well kept house I doubt they felt the need to use a brick as a door stop... I for one am quite intrigued as to what this item actual is.

All IMO

 

[peregrino]

Just going back to something that peregrino raised a few pages back regarding the brick/stone. I note the ME's report lists it as being a 'landscaping stone'. However, looking back through old articles it is variously called a landscaping stone, landscaping brick, concrete brick and paving slab. I cannot see any reason to have a brick or paving slab just lying about in a bedroom. Given images showing an upscale and well kept house I doubt they felt the need to use a brick as a door stop... I for one am quite intrigued as to what this item actual is.

All IMO

Absolutely, emmalpage81. My contention is that the horrific injuries inflicted could only be from a relatively large and dense object wielded with some force. Now if that object required both hands to use in that way, and the angle the blows were struck indicate he was struck from above, then any argument of self defence is IMO severely weakened.

 

[Logic-lady]

Just a reminder to people if you do not like a post just keep scrolling. We are a week from trial and I for one do not want the thread to be closed.

Well said.

 

[stmarysmead]

Unfortunately the trial will envitably bring with it endless theories designed to throw doubt into jurors minds. It's very rare that someone on trial doesn't try to smear the victims name or character to give reason as to why they committed the murder because let's face it how do you explain taking someone's life. I expect it to be no different here so carrying on as we have done for 2 years now filtering the noise from the facts is what we we do over the next few weeks.

The facts will speak for themselves so ignore the noise and we will leave the fake news to the man in the USA who brandished the term trying to demoralise free press and free speech ironically the same person was recorded saying some extremely crude and offensive things about women and later had to publicly apologise so I wouldn't regard his views as having any relevance to a Murder case .
And there is an element of the term being used in situations where people want to distract from the facts. I think there is a websleuths thread on the subject of this guy actually. It might be helpful for venting opinion on the matter.

Let's just keep JC in our minds moving forward he is the victim and we will continue to respect his memory on this victim friendly forum even when folks try to demoralise and belittle his life and death.

Agree with your points stmarysmead

Moo

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The press here in the US has been very obviously biased toward Molly's side. They are often subtle...blaring headlines about Mag's father accusing Jason of killing his first wife...and when that lie is exposed, never printing a retraction.

Before you comment on our President or American politics, please know that many of us are thrilled at his exposure of this "fake news" and hideously unfair outlets like CNN. (Which dominate in European news) I would suggest you consider how Jason has been treated in NC press as a caution to the opinions on our politics that you insert into this case.

Bringing politics into this case, insulting our President, is unsuitable for this thread, very unsuitable for influencing a NC Jury that voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and frankly detrimental to Jason's cause by pushing away some of us who have been staunchly on his side.

Please take political insults to the appropriate thread that you mention. And for Jason's sake, leave them there.

 

[emmalpage81]

Absolutely, emmalpage81. My contention is that the horrific injuries inflicted could only be from a relatively large and dense object wielded with some force. Now if that object required both hands to use in that way, and the angle the blows were struck indicate he was struck from above, then any argument of self defence is IMO severely weakened.

I would think that a paving slab would definitely need two hands to wield. A heavy concrete brick maybe needs two hands too. A landscaping stone I would not think so; they are more aesthetic are they not? The fact that there are multiple descriptions of the stone / brick in the press makes me think nobody is really sure what it is.

It had to be very heavy, very hard and wielded with a great deal of force.

All IMO

 

[Truthalways]

The press here in the US has been very obviously biased toward Molly's side. They are often subtle...blaring headlines about Mag's father accusing Jason of killing his first wife...and when that lie is exposed, never printing a retraction.

Before you comment on our President or American politics, please know that many of us are thrilled at his exposure of this "fake news" and hideously unfair outlets like CNN. (Which dominate in European news) I would suggest you consider how Jason has been treated in NC press as a caution to the opinions on our politics that you insert into this case.

Bringing politics into this case, insulting our President, is unsuitable for this thread, very unsuitable for influencing a NC Jury that voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and frankly detrimental to Jason's cause by pushing away some of us who have been staunchly on his side.

Please take political insults to the appropriate thread that you mention. And for Jason's sake, leave them there.

Didn't mean to insult stmarysmead at all, apologies that I offended you. And was using his term "fake news" to make a point about baseless and biast claims rather than political view as it has been a term used by the poster several times before and takes from the good of facts that other posters use here to back up their theory and opinion.

I will keep a look in on the thread during trial but won't comment here again for fear of further offending anyone with a genuinely well meant post. I have been on this thread for 2 years now trying to help make sense of JC brutal death and have done so with the deepest respect for his family and will not accept that any posts I have made here have been detrimental to the case.

Maybe efforts would be better focused on the fact this is a victim friendly forum and the most offensive post I read here today was the one about JC and his family this morning.




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[stmarysmead]

Didn't mean to insult stmarysmead at all, apologies that I offended you. And was using his term "fake news" to make a point about baseless and biast claims rather than political view as it has been a term used by the poster several times before and takes from the good of facts that other posters use here to back up their theory and opinion.

I will keep a look in on the thread during trial but won't comment here again for fear of further offending anyone with a genuinely well meant post. I have been on this thread for 2 years now trying to help make sense of JC brutal death and have done so with the deepest respect for his family and will not accept that any posts I have made here have been detrimental to the case.




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You have been a wonderful advocate for Jason, his family, and his children. ❤️

 

[Logic-lady]

Can I just reiterate what emmalpage81 said here this morning, since the thread re-opened a few weeks ago we have managed to bring an awful lot of useful information to the table, mainly because we all as grown adults used the scroll and roll logic. If we disagreed with a point we were all as adults able to either ignore the post entirely or else respond to a person in a manner that addressed their point rather than making it a personal attack. I have no interest in rhetoric, people here have strong opinions on what happened but it defeats the point of the forum if we each ram our personal opinions down the throats of others. If the thread returns to this format, I like Truthalways (who has done great sleuthing IMO) will refrain from posting any further. We uncovered some great new information by focusing on the questions that were still outstanding in this case rather than assuming it is a slam dunk either way, surely that is what Websleuths is all about?

 

[Truthalways]

Can I just reiterate what emmalpage81 said here this morning, since the thread re-opened a few weeks ago we have managed to bring an awful lot of useful information to the table, mainly because we all as grown adults used the scroll and roll logic. If we disagreed with a point we were all as adults able to either ignore the post entirely or else respond to a person in a manner that addressed their point rather than making it a personal attack. I have no interest in rhetoric, people here have strong opinions on what happened but it defeats the point of the forum if we each ram our personal opinions down the throats of others. If the thread returns to this format, I like Truthalways (who has done great sleuthing IMO) will refrain from posting any further. We uncovered some great new information by focusing on the questions that were still outstanding in this case rather than assuming it is a slam dunk either way, surely that is what Websleuths is all about?

Thanks logic lady but reading my post back It did sound bad. I woke this morning for work at 6 for work. I try catch up with posts then. I read the post that disrespectfully referenced JC and just felt deflated after all the work by everybody.

I posted in haste and as I say I am no eloquent writer. On reflection it was worded wrongly but sincerely came from the right place. And I am sorry.

Carry on now your posts and the group posts are the very example of good people doing good work. I shall say no more. The last thing we need is for the thread to be closed. So please mods except my apologies.

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[searchinGirl]

I think your assertion that Jasons family should be ashamed that Jason was a victim of domestic violence is why the vicious cycle of abuse continues to go unrecognised and men don't openly admit they are victims of abuse . They are "big enough" to be in control is that your answer ? They are stronger so they couldn't be a victim ? You are victim blaming again . Are male victims of DV somehow a lesser man because they can't put their woman in place ? Do they deserve to be victims of dv because of it is that what you are saying ? Do they deserve to be called fat because they are over weight and humiliated in front of friends. Have you looked at the stats on male DV or are they made up ? Do they all deserve to be battered to death in their own homes ? Did they all do something to deserve the abuse ? I have been willing to look past your snide remarks but I am not willing to look past this how dare you suggest that being a male victim of domestic violence is something to be embarrassed about ! That it makes them a lesser man . That it makes them a lesser father ! That its something children should be embarrassed about . Very backward thinking
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

Domestic Violence is about exerting power and control over another. How did Molly do that to Jason?

 

[stmarysmead]

Truthalways, I hope you won't leave. You have done some excellent sleuthing and frankly, all hands are needed on deck.

We need to realize that their are two "fronts" in this quest for justice. One, as Logic lady correctly points out, is fact-finding to rebut the Defense case. But any follower of American court cases will see that the prosecution needs to be prepared with an "emotional" response to MM's emotional pose as the victim-lamb. Juries these days seem to let emotion trump the law. "Well, they killed him, but he deserved it. Not guilty." I believe that this is exactly where the defense is headed.

They have painted Jason in the area press as a man who may have murdered his first wife. He then marries this sweet little American girl, abuses her, frightens his children, runs over her foot with an automobile, and tries to choke poor Molly to death. Only an intervention by honorable FBI Dad saved her life. Then the children she loved were stripped from her and she has been suffering (just read her FB page) ever since.

That's the Defense in a nutshell. They admit the defendants killed Jason. Their arguments are all EMOTIONAL. I pray the prosecution will eloquently knock down every word of this fantasy.

This case needs to be fought with facts.But the fake narrative of "suffering Molly" needs to be aggressively attacked as well. Too many Prosecutors do not put enough effort into fighting these emotional fairy tales. Then they are astounded when their fact filled slam dunk cases are rejected by the jury.

Molly is emotionally competing to be the victim. She's trying to make us forget Jason. We need facts. But an emotional counter attack is also necessary.

 

[Logic-lady]

Domestic Violence is about exerting power and control over another. How did Molly do that to Jason?

Utilizing someones children as an emotional baton could be considered exerting power and control over another could it not?

 

[stmarysmead]

Domestic Violence is about exerting power and control over another. How did Molly do that to Jason?

That's an easy one. She used the children. She used fear of her rages. In the Maginn book, one can see how placating Molly, giving her her way, indulging her, became her victim's only defense against another chaotic scene.

Now place your vulnerable children into that scenario. Jason indulged her with trips, clothes...never denied her anything material. Never controlled her access to credit cards. He was not the one "in control." Molly was.

He was trying to buy a little serenity at home..,a home dominated by a chaotic selfish egotist...who demanded her own way or chaos descended on them all.

 

[searchinGirl]

I think Molly's defense is going to be more like she was being choked to death and couldn't breath. IMO

 

[stmarysmead]

The excuse bring made for MM seems to be that she was "saving her own life." "She had no their choice."

Let's look at that emotional argument that will no doubt be pushed on the jury.

It's true...some DV victims, real ones, have no choice. They have no support system, no resources. They are ignornant of the help that exists for them in the community where they live. They are ignorant of their rights under the law.

Does MM fit into these categories?

MM had an AMAZING support system. She had parents of comfortable means who would drop everything to run to her assistance. Her parents had two homes that might have sheltered her. They could afford to hire her the best lawyers. They could have provided a home for her OUT-of-STATE...where a legal fight could keep the children with her...and away from Jason...until it was decided. (and we all know how slowly our courts move.)

MM had finanial resources. Jason provided her with a credit card that apparently no FEAR of him kept her from lavishly spending on herself. Strange for the fearful victim, no?

MM was a volunteer in DV circles. She knew all the right people to help her. She knew all the options available in her community. She knew that safe houses exist.

And finally, MM consulted a lawyer on exactly her rights to the children. She would know if she was abused, she could be given custodial rights of those children! She had a friend whose practice specialized in DV cases. She had a father who was an FBI agent.

There never was a woman claiming to be a DV victim who had more options available to her than murder...than Molly Martens!

So even for those who buy her fantasies...there can be no excuses for a intelligent woman with every other option in the world...not taking those options.

Unless murder offered the one thing she could not get with her options.

She could get the children.

But not the lifestyle.