GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #5

[Logic-lady]

When TM starts the CPR, the operator tells him how to place BOTH his hands and push down 2" into the chest . He starts the compressions, but stops in the middle to hand the phone over to MC. Was he still holding the Phone when he started? Once you start the compressions it's important to keep a rhythm and not just stop them when you want to pass a phone over, if you were doing it properly to begin with. IMO

So where did the Trazodone come from, a drug used to treat depression and in some cases is also prescribed to treat Bipolar? Was it SM's if not MM's? It wasn't Jason's because he had never been treated for depression and the medication is contradictory to his medical condition related to heart. MM may not have medical treatment records under Jason's health insurance for depression or bipolar, but that doesn't mean she wasn't sneaking to a doctor and paying in cash instead of running it through insurance records, or that SM wasn't filling the scripts for her. In this day and age of digital records you can't hide that kind of thing forever unless of course somehow you have a fake ID and are being treated with that faked identity? Somehow someone in that house on Aug 1 2015 had Trazodone to give to Jason Corbett even though he had has a couple beers that day, which would have increased the side effects of dizziness and drowsiness BTW.

How do we know there are no medical records under Jason's insurance for Molly?

 

[searchinGirl]

Totally agree courtney.. <modsnip>This is real life, this is a man murdered, battered to a pulp in his own home while his babies slept in the next room,by the woman he crossed the ocean for and gave her everything she wanted, money house holidays but nothing, absolutely nothing was enough for Miss Molly...
Presuming the children were asleep, god knows how they stayed asleep, were they given something to sleep, but thank god they didnt wake or we could be discussing a family murdered....Nothing will get in the Martens way...imo

Innocent until proven guilty. <modsnip>

 

[stephanddoody]

We all have full faith in the American justice system. The observations we are making is that the defence seem to ONLY want testimony/observations that are pleasing to their clients. Which is their job we know . We are still free to make these observations as others are free to make observations of Jason's size . I don't see the prosecution arguing that Jason's size shouldn't be observed but the defence want to exclude mention of Jason being a peaceful man and now exclude observations from trained professionals that attended the scene and the dispatchers observations. Mary is American and she also said it is farcical not the system but the defence strategy

 

[Logic-lady]

Very interesting the defence want to stop people who attended the scene from giving observations including on the temperature of the body......

In the article Stephan posted above.

All IMO

But surely that's the point of the trial...the prosecution present evidence and utilise their witnesses and expert testimony, and then the defense counter with their own witnesses and expert testimony?

 

[searchinGirl]

Just adding commentary- The trazadone does support the theory of in his sleep imo. I am prescribed trazadone due to insomnia and a hard time staying asleep. I take that and I am out cold, and groggy the next day if i don't sleep 8-10 hours.

Hard to claim self defense with someone who had taken trazadone due to its sleep inducing effect


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3-4 hours maximum sleeping time for me on trazodone. Obviously, it affects everyone differently. I know of some men who use it for ED. IMO

 

[searchinGirl]

My own perception is that you are too willing to downplay Molly's prominent role in the murder of Jason Corbett, I find you much more sympathetic to her than I believe she deserves, e,g, trying to identify a bruise on her hand, when there are none on her throat even though both she and her father said she was being choked. Now you are inferring that Tom Martens might have killed Jason Corbett in self-defense when clearly the autopsy shows a man horrifically and very brutally battered and bashed to death, and perhaps even left there to die whole Martens calmed themselves, concocted and rehearsed their stories and Tom calmly called 911. IMO if you think you may have killed your son-in-law, you'd have at least rolled him over to see if he was breathing before calling 911, his wife, who was trained and certified in CPR didn't even try to see if he was alive and if she could have revived him. You may think you're just playing "devil's advocate" but I believe your posts show too much willingness to have Molly Martens in role of "victim" in this brutal murder, and there's just no logical reason to come to that conclusion.

Every woman who claims to be a victim of domestic violence should be listened to. If Molly is lying about it I think we will figure that out. I suggested the bruises no bruises discussion to point out that Molly's lack of injuries might just mean she did not kill him, regardless of what has been reported. Im hearing a lot of arguments here that Molly committed pre-meditated murder, but this is a second degree murder trial or she would have been charged accordingly. IMO

You seem to know a lot about how angry you are, and you are already angry about the Justice you think you won't be receiving. But it's clear to me that you don't know what happened inside the marriage of Molly and Jason. Imo

 

[searchinGirl]

We all have full faith in the American justice system. The observations we are making is that the defence seem to ONLY want testimony/observations that are pleasing to their clients. Which is their job we know . We are still free to make these observations as others are free to make observations of Jason's size . I don't see the prosecution arguing that Jason's size shouldn't be observed but the defence want to exclude mention of Jason being a peaceful man and now exclude observations from trained professionals that attended the scene and the dispatchers observations. Mary is American and she also said it is farcical not the system but the defence strategy

The consideration of the size of each party involved in the fight is written into the 2nd degree murder law. IMO

 

[emmalpage81]

But surely that's the point of the trial...the prosecution present evidence and utilise their witnesses and expert testimony, and then the defense counter with their own witnesses and expert testimony?

Of course it is. I was more interested in the fact that people attending had observations on the temperature of the body. I alway found it odd that the autopsy report did not mention any estimate of time of death. Would this not be the norm? The medical examiner noted the time death was called (i.e. the time the paramedics got there and saw he was deceased).

If people were commenting and / or making observations at the scene on the temperature of his body and the fact that there was wet and dry blood visible. This would suggest - to me - that JC had been deceased for some time before the paramedics / police etc arrived on the scene and would not be compatible with the assertion of the defence that they called emergency services immediately after the altercation.

All IMO

 

[stephanddoody]

Every woman who claims to be a victim of domestic violence should be listened to. If Molly is lying about it I think we will figure that out. I suggested the bruises no bruises discussion to point out that Molly's lack of injuries might just mean she did not kill him, regardless of what has been reported. Im hearing a lot of arguments here that Molly committed pre-meditated murder, but this is a second degree murder trial or she would have been charged accordingly. IMO

You seem to know a lot about how angry you are, and you are already angry about the Justice you think you won't be receiving. But it's clear to me that you don't know what happened inside the marriage of Molly and Jason. Imo

And neither do you you are assuming Molly is telling the truth even though everything so far is to the contrary of that. Please don't put words in our mouths we are not angry . There is no presumption from us that justice will not be served for the victim Jason Corbett who was battered to death in his own home . I have looked at other threads on this forum and while some of the newer posters may not be fully aware of the tos mostly they are followed on this thread . There is no anger here . We have faith in the justice system please do not state otherwise unless those words are actually said

 

[searchinGirl]

And neither do you you are assuming Molly is telling the truth even though everything so far is to the contrary of that. Please don't put words in our mouths we are not angry . There is no presumption from us that justice will not be served for the victim Jason Corbett who was battered to death in his own home . I have looked at other threads on this forum and while some of the newer posters may not be fully aware of the tos mostly they are followed on this thread . There is no anger here . We have faith in the justice system please do not state otherwise unless those words are actually said

You say everything is contrary to Molly telling the truth. Would you care to elaborate on that?

 

[stephanddoody]

You say everything is contrary to Molly telling the truth. Would you care to elaborate on that?

Plenty back along in the thread if you care to look . &#65533;&#65533;

 

[texasrose]

Of course it is. I was more interested in the fact that people attending had observations on the temperature of the body. I alway found it odd that the autopsy report did not mention any estimate of time of death. Would this not be the norm? The medical examiner noted the time death was called (i.e. the time the paramedics got there and saw he was deceased).

If people were commenting and / or making observations at the scene on the temperature of his body and the fact that there was wet and dry blood visible. This would suggest - to me - that JC had been deceased for some time before the paramedics / police etc arrived on the scene and would not be compatible with the assertion of the defence that they called emergency services immediately after the altercation.

All IMO

My understanding of time of death in situations like this is that there are so many factors at play that only a time range can really be estimated…

Body temperature is only indicative dependent on the ambient temperature, so was the air conditioning on or off? Was he lying on carpet or tiles? Were the doors to the house open or closed?

Food in the stomach – under normal conditions – takes about 6 hours to clear the stomach. However stress can slow digestion right down. Was JC stressed that night? We assume so but how can we quantify the effect?

The medical examiner report does not indicate rigor mortis but does indicate livor mortis – correct me if I am wrong but I think signs of both of these begin to appear within 2 hours of death? So that doesn’t really help.

Wet/dry blood again would depend on volume, temperature and surface?

I’m not sure we will ever know at what time JC actually died, just the Medical Examiners best estimate: between X a.m. and 3:24 a.m. (when TOD was actually called I think). Again, please correct me if I have stated something incorrectly. These are just my thoughts.

 

[stmarysmead]

The consideration of the size of each party involved in the fight is written into the 2nd degree murder law. IMO

"Written into the second degree murder law?"

You need a link and a quote.

 

[searchinGirl]

"Written into the second degree murder law?"

You need a link and a quote.

It's the 2nd degree murder las in the state of NC. I believe there are four things to consider, one of which is size in relation to each other. IMO

 

[emmalpage81]

"Written into the second degree murder law?"

You need a link and a quote.

It's the 2nd degree murder las in the state of NC. I believe there are four things to consider, one of which is size in relation to each other. IMO

SearchinGirl i think you are thinking of the defence of self-defence rather than the legislation on second degree murder. There is nothing in the legislation of second degree murder which relates to size etc as far as I can see.

All IMO

 

[stmarysmead]

It's the 2nd degree murder las in the state of NC. I believe there are four things to consider, one of which is size in relation to each other. IMO

Please link so we may read and interpret for ourselves. Otherwise erroneous information may seep into our discussion which will confuse those who are not American about our laws.

In another post, you seem to assert that MM can only be guilty of second degree murder because that's all she was charged with. That is a bit twisted from the truth. Molly is charged with what the DA believes he can prove.

That does not mean this was not, in truth, a vicious premeditated murder. It does not mean that others cannot look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that this horror was planned.

Just because the DA is cautious, does not mean second degree murder is the whole truth. No one can impose restrictions on how others view the evidence by just quoting the charge.

 

[stmarysmead]

I believe as well that anyone who claims abuse should be listened to. But it is not a license to kill. It is especially not a license to kill for a woman with every single available avenue to leave the situation.

I've re-read Maginn's book a few times recently...it's quite short. I keep asking myself as I read of Mollys actual sufferings in those days...and his desperate attempts to get her help...where were Tom and Sharon? Now this was a time of real agony for their daughter, she's incapable of leaving her bed, she's claiming only Maginn is keeping her alive. Molly was definitely at risk.

Where were the Martens?

The father who will kill to protect his daughter is strangely AWOL. They are leaving their terribly sick daughter in the hands of a new boyfriend. Where is devoted Tom...where is Mama Sharon? Molly was in desperate shape.

They are pretty much no-shows.

So what's the difference? I think the difference is that they wanted Molly off their hands financially and emotionally and they wanted those perfect, unsick grandchildren in their lives. Jason leaving was a threat to Tom and Sharon too.

It meant having Molly, sick Molly back on their hands. Her crazy spending, her bipolar mood swings, all of it. She might get some spousal support but that would never keep any of them cruising, vacationing, shopping for her lavish wardrobe.

The only thing that explains their indifference to Molly in her earlier years and the changeover to the Tom the supposed devoted Killer-Protector...is the Martens own self interest.

Edited to add...I pitied Molly in Maginn's book. What Mother and Father could turn their back on that suffering of their child?

Very cold.

Then suddenly, the Father Gladiator.

 

[searchinGirl]

Please link so we may read and interpret for ourselves. Otherwise erroneous information may seep into our discussion which will confuse those who are not American about our laws.

In another post, you seem to assert that MM can only be guilty of second degree murder because that's all she was charged with. That is a bit twisted from the truth. Molly is charged with what the DA believes he can prove.

That does not mean this was not, in truth, a vicious premeditated murder. It dies not mean that others cannot look at the evidence at come to the conclusion that this horror was planned.

Just because the DA is cautious, does not mean second degree murder is the whole truth. No one can impose restrictions on how others view the evidence by just quoting the charge.

Ok here you go
https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/pji-master/criminal/206.30.pdf

it's on the second page.

"In making this determination, you should consider the circumstances as you find them to have existed from the evidence, (including the size, age and strength of the defendant as compared to the victim), (the fierceness of the assault, if any, upon the defendant), (whether or not the victim had a weapon in the victim’s possession), (and the reputation, if any, of the victim for danger and violence) (describe other circumstances, as appropriate from the evidence)."

 

[stmarysmead]

Ok here you go
https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/pji-master/criminal/206.30.pdf

it's on the second page.

"In making this determination, you should consider the circumstances as you find them to have existed from the evidence, (including the size, age and strength of the defendant as compared to the victim), (the fierceness of the assault, if any, upon the defendant), (whether or not the victim had a weapon in the victim&#8217;s possession), (and the reputation, if any, of the victim for danger and violence) (describe other circumstances, as appropriate from the evidence)."

Thank you. This "consideration" is then negated in the second paragraph by stating that this exists only if...

"the defendant (was not the aggressor in provoking the fight and) did not use excessive force under the circumstances."

So these are things a jury may consider BUT excessive force is the trump card. She could be fighting with King King but when force to the extent that his scalp is hinged and parts are sticking to the wall...size is no mitigating factor.

 

[texasrose]

Ok here you go
https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/pji-master/criminal/206.30.pdf

it's on the second page.

"In making this determination, you should consider the circumstances as you find them to have existed from the evidence, (including the size, age and strength of the defendant as compared to the victim), (the fierceness of the assault, if any, upon the defendant), (whether or not the victim had a weapon in the victim&#8217;s possession), (and the reputation, if any, of the victim for danger and violence) (describe other circumstances, as appropriate from the evidence)."

Ok, this is not a statute. This seems to be an extract from a law book that expands on a number of circumstances that may be considered in making a decision regarding the charge of 2nd degree murder? I have looked at the statues outlined at the top of the page and I may have missed it but I cannot see where the actual statues themselves say that size matters in the commission of an event that is defined as 2nd degree murder. Please, please correct me if I have missed it?