GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #6

[fido]

Stephan...thank you. It's overwhelming, isn't it? Thank you for all your hard work.

I would like to second that. Thank you Stephan for all your time and effort on this.

 

[stephanddoody]

Stephan...thank you. It's overwhelming, isn't it? Thank you for all your hard work.

Not about me every single poster plays a part for or against gets us more focused . We all make a contribution and we all have our weak points and our strong points no one is better than anyone we all play a role.Some of us know each other outside this forum some don't There is only one thing that matters to me and I believe to most . That's finding the truth and #justiceforjason . My thoughts again with Jason's family at this harrowing time. I hope and pray that this thread and all other related threads could be deleted after night guys we do make a great team but genuinely after this roller coaster I never want to be here again ,even though I love ye all :loveyou::shame::jail::shame:

 

[kittythehare]

Can you imagine Jason's autopsy pictures and crime scene photos being explained as a proper response to DV that consists of a threat and a chokehold...even if that were the truth?

"You are allowed by law to do ALL this"... is that what we have come to?

I can imagine a million fairytales and I would wager that most will be horror stories, based upon the actions of their lawyers already, and the pain and additional heartbreak heaped upon innocent grieving people.

It is my fervent hope that they will never again be allowed to practice law in the USA or anywhere else either.

 

[irishmartin]

So the theory that's being pressed here once again is that there is an element of sexual aggression that triggered events that night....while I respect your right to have differing views, you have consistently raised the theory that Jason took the Trazadone for erectile dysfunction. I find it highly unusual that if Molly no longer wanted to have sex with Jason, and he was no longer capable of doing so under his own steam, that SHE would be the one to fill a prescription to aid him in that department. Perhaps a look at the actual evidence we have had provided over the last few days would be beneficial.

<modsnip>JC visited his doctors often and I&#8217;m<modsnip> sure he was a big boy and would have asked for the real thing Viagra or its other alternatives. And why would JM be looking for such when he was in his way out of the relationship and there was no one else and he had a heart condition unknowing the effect this would have on it.

 

[irishmartin]

JC did not have clinical depression what is suggested by his medical practice rather he was feeling down and he also reported that he had become quicker to anger. We all get depressed its part of everyone&#8217;s life and we all have elation too but for most people this is within controlled limits and just like JC we don&#8217;t need to medicate. And for the issues facing him moving home and employment issues he could not be otherwise. As for JC health he had to be physically healthy as he played football with his next door neighbour and friend Mr Fritzsche. This would give an indication he was physically fit and robust as soccer involves a lot of running and balance.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...ighbour-on-day-before-the-killing-799777.html

Looking at his medical issues his heart problems doesn&#8217;t seem to concern his doctors. There is one medical issue that concerned and that was with his thyroid. As anyone who suffers with such will be aware it may be difficult to find a substitution level of thyroxine that may solve the problem. Also associated with such issues is weight gain constant tiredness and skeletal pains which would agitate him and account for his weight gain. But this is nothing to turn JC into a violent man rather it would have made him lethargic.


We can now state with certainty that MM had no injuries and this has being confirmed by Lt Young and he photographed her neck and there was nothing.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...op-rubbing-her-neck-trial-hears-35974984.html

And TM also had none, none had a scratch after TM alleged &#8220;donnybrook&#8221; claim.



We have now also established that two EMS tech believe that JC had died much earlier than their arrival. There is now two actual times associated with his death, first was a certification of death when pronounced by the EMS and the second the actual time which is earlier. RTE Irish National Broadcast Service 6pm News report following a news presenter querying a reporter in court. I wonder will there be now an actual estimation for this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



The baton issue is still outstanding and I understand the LE have not being able to discover another. Looking at MM FB she has a baseball bat empty shroud with little Jacks name on it. One could very well ponder of the purpose of this picture but for me it clearly shows Jason had a bat and was using it at practice and the reason for his name on it so it so it wouldn&#8217;t get lost at it. Looking up close it has superficial damage I presume from usage.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...347225.-2207520000.1501197615.&type=3&theater


And for TM dress he was found wearing a shirt and shorts which he stated he slept in. I don&#8217;t know of anyone that sleeps in their shirts and for me it would be a never unless too drunk.

I&#8217;m damn well sure LE have tried teasing out of TM to where he purchased the bat he alleges he did and I&#8217;m even surer this would be verified by cctv if true. But trying to prove an impossible for evidential purpose is not easy. I&#8217;m sure LE has already photography evidence if it was Jacks. And if such is not available or doubt cast on it I&#8217;m sure Jack could be able to testify by video link just like JC mother law about her late husband&#8217;s alleged attendance at the wedding. Her video evidence would have a devastating impact on the jury to the M keeping up the pretence.

 

[Estelle]

Man Who Stabbed Cab Driver 127 Times in Self Defence Gets 60 Years In Prison
July 25, 2017 3:40 PM

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017...cab-driver-127-times-gets-60-years-in-prison/

 

[searchinGirl]

<modsnip> JC visited his doctors often and I&#8217;m <modsnip>sure he was a big boy and would have asked for the real thing Viagra or its other alternatives. And why would JM be looking for such when he was in his way out of the relationship and there was no one else and he had a heart condition unknowing the effect this would have on it.

<modsnip>As a matter of fact TODAY someone else said that's what I said when in fact I didn't say that. In fact when I have suggested it before it was in the context of the warning that comes with it. I agree, he should not have been taking the drug. <modsnip> IMO

 

[irishmartin]

With all due respect, it doesn't matter who or what started the fight, if there was one. It doesn't matter what triggered this. It doesn't matter what the state of their marriage was. The only thing that matters are that a son, father, brother, husband has been horrificly slaughtered, his skull repeatedly beaten in. The only questions that need to be answered are...did Tom Martens and his daughter Molly, who have confessed, ...have a right to do this killing and...why didn't they stop?

For the substantial evidence true but it would be nice to actually know what did start it off, where was that spark that led to an inferno

 

[searchinGirl]

For the substantial evidence true but it would be nice to actually know what did start it off, where was that spark that led to an inferno

This is exactly what I suggested earlier. Imagine that?

 

[stmarysmead]

Prayers for the Corbett Lynch family tonight. Words just fail me. May this long weekend bring them some brief respite and relief.

 

[irishmartin]

"The baton issue is still outstanding and I understand the LE have not being able to discover another. Looking at MM FB she has a baseball bat empty shroud with little Jacks name on it. One could very well ponder of the purpose of this picture but for me it clearly shows Jack had a bat and was using it at practice and the reason for his name on it so it so it wouldn&#8217;t get lost at it. Looking up close it has superficial damage I presume from usage."
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

**** CORRECTION ***** from earlier post I inadvertently used Jason for Jack

 

[stmarysmead]

This is exactly what I suggested earlier. Imagine that?

We are curious but what started it should not matter. Let's say that the defense is telling the truth. He grabbed her by the neck, he made a threat.

Did that entitle them, receiving no visible wounds themselves, to pound him up against doors, up against walls, on the floor, multiple fractures layered on each other, congealing pools of blood, broken nose, dents in walls where they missed him...

Was that okay? Do we say something he did deserved ALL that?

Really?

There's an excuse? Like what?

Do we believe that an Incredible, unrelenting amount of horror was necessary when there is no sign that he fought back in any way? No sign that he landed a blow? When there is Evidence now that any one of those layered concussions would cause unconsciousness? Evidence now that some of the blood spatter is near the floor?

Is there something Martens can say. that started this that we will say..."Oh, okay, no problem." "Oh he didn't let go...well, then smash his skull to pieces..follow thru doors, corner him againstwalls. Yeah, we are good with that."

Do we, as humans, care why this started?

I don't.

I care that...IT DID NOT STOP.

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...op-rubbing-her-neck-trial-hears-35974984.html

Last thing one would do with a bruised neck is pull at it, scrub at it, rub it..
One might keep their hand on it but ever so gently. ever so gently indeed..
she got that bit pretty wrong..but she knew she was in trouble, clearly and was busy creating evidence to support her narrative.
This means she was functioning and she was thinking clearly.. about saving herself.
MM is not bright.. her campaigns have been completely crazy..insane.. the princess .. daddy's little girl, as referenced in defense opening statements..
...the princess and her ankle,
where it all began..
its so easy to rock, its so easy to throw oneself down in a foetal position, its so easy to cry without tears..

I have been searching for a document here referenced in a post earlier regarding Jason's case being used by some medic who is also a witness, I have been unable to locate the post and I dont recall who posted it..

I would really like to have a look at it if you see my post, please?

Has any witness list been published yet, does anybody know?

 

[searchinGirl]

We are curious but what started it should not matter. Let's say that the defense is telling the truth. He grabbed her by the neck, he made a threat.

Did that entitle them, receiving no visible wounds themselves, to pound him up against doors, up against walls, on the floor, multiple fractures layered on each other, congealing pools of blood, broken nose, dents in walls where they missed him...

Was that okay? Do we say something he did deserved ALL that?

Really?

There's an excuse? Like what?

Do we believe that an Incredible, unrelenting amount of horror was necessary when there is no sign that he fought back in any way? No sign that he landed a blow? When there is Evidence now that any one of those layered concussions would cause unconsciousness? Evidence now that some of the blood spatter is near the floor?

Is there something Martens can say. that started this that we will say..."Oh, okay, no problem." "Oh he didn't let go...well, then smash his skull to pieces..follow thru doors, corner him againstwalls. Yeah, we are good with that."

Do we, as humans, care why this started?

I don't.

I care that...IT DID NOT STOP.

Is there anyone you love in this world that you would defend and give your life for? TM obviously feels he was in a fight for his life when and if he killed Jason defending his daughter. I mean, He's not exactly the murderous type. I have trouble believing he planned this. That TM couldn't stop hitting him means to me that he might have been scared of Jason and didn't understand why he was acting he way he was. Someone he had known and trusted. No disrespect intended but It's like JC turned into the Incredible Hulk for no reason. I wonder what was really going on with him? Doesn't seem like anyone really knows, except for maybe Molly. IMO

 

[wildebeest]

We did discuss this before with people's opinions varying. Personally, i feel it looks worse for the Martens that he was found naked, a fully dressed person would be much more likely to take part in an argument. IMO, a naked person, not so much.

All IMO

Agreed! Do you think he might have been asleep??? This was my perception early on.

IMHO

 

[wildebeest]

Is there anyone you love in this world that you would defend and give your life for? TM obviously feels he was in a fight for his life when and if he killed Jason defending his daughter. I mean, He's not exactly the murderous type. I have trouble believing he planned this. That TM couldn't stop hitting him means to me that he might have been scared of Jason and didn't understand why he was acting he way he was. Someone he had known and trusted. No disrespect intended but It's like JC turned into the Incredible Hulk for no reason. I wonder what was really going on with him? Doesn't seem like anyone really knows, except for maybe Molly. IMO

<modsnip> Nothing such, he was a big teddy bear, a gentle giant. We all know the person in this picture who was prone to violent episodes.

IMHO

 

[searchinGirl]

<modsnip> Nothing such, he was a big teddy bear, a gentle giant. We all know the person in this picture who was prone to violent episodes.

IMHO

Well I don't know that and have a hard time believing that about TM.

 

[stmarysmead]

Is there anyone you love in this world that you would defend and give your life for? TM obviously feels he was in a fight for his life when and if he killed Jason defending his daughter. I mean, He's not exactly the murderous type. I have trouble believing he planned this. That TM couldn't stop hitting him means to me that he might have been scared of Jason and didn't understand why he was acting he way he was. Someone he had known and trusted. No disrespect intended but It's like JC turned into the Incredible Hulk for no reason. I wonder what was really going on with him? Doesn't seem like anyone really knows, except for maybe Molly. IMO

Tom wasn't in the fight of his life because he received no injuries. Nor did his daughter receive any injuries. This was not a "fight" but an execution. This was NOT three bloodied and beaten combatants, and one died. This is someone with his brains literally beaten out...followed and cornered from room to room.

If SM had called the police that night, and they had interupted this scene before anybody died, do you believe they would have arrested Tom or Jason?

If Jason, would they have found him guilty of a crime for which he should be executed? Would our system require he die in the heinous way he died?

You and I do not know Jason or Tom Martens or Molly Martens. So we can attribute good motives and bad ones anyway we want. But feelings aren't evidence. And the evidence says overkill. I guess you have excuses for that and I don't. That's allowed on this Board. But I might ask you, is there anyone in your life that you love, that you would want to die this way?

The evidence we heard this week goes to the kind of society we want to live in. I fear a society where we invent excuses for heinous violence like this.
TM did not "give his life" for his daughter. He didn't get a scratch. He TOOK a life for his daughter. Or is throwing away his life to cover for that raging, sick woman that drove Maginn to write his book. Either way, we are a society of laws. Neither one of them, by law, had a right to do what they did.

We have put in place many options for abused women with no resources. Molly had many resources, many options. Execution with such extreme violence was not an option we should want to find excuses for....because that's a slippery slope. Most murderers feel aggrieved. So they shoot up their workplace, or a school, or kill the other woman or the nasty boss.

When individuals are permitted to decide who lives or dies based on their feelings..we are the Wild,Wild west. When we make their feelings more important than a human life or a lawful society, that's a dangerous path.

 

[stmarysmead]

Were they afraid of him when they had him up against the bathroom door, swinging at him...or inside the bathroom when the bat hit the wall in several places as they swung and missed. Hey, where was Molly the hostage?. Were they afraid of him as they beat fracture upon fracture into his skull..ANY ONE OF WHICH expert testified would make Jason uxnconcious...were they afraid of an unconscious man?

We can imagine some scenario where the good Daddy swings and knocks him down. And little ?Molly runs away. But when they keep swinging when he's down and bring in second weapon...now we are trying too hard, way too hard.

I think there was an Incredible Hulk or two in that room...and it's the two people with no injuries.

And why in that room with blood spattered everywhere, blood pooling everywhere, a man saturatedvin his own blood...did TM and MM have no blood on their clothes?

 

[wildebeest]

:goodpost:

Tom wasn't in the fight of his life because he received no injuries. Nor did his daughter receive any injuries. This was not a "fight" but an execution. This was NOT three bloodied and beaten combatants, and one died. This is someone with his brains literally beaten out...followed and cornered from room to room.

If SM had called the police that night, and they had interupted this scene before anybody died, do you believe they would have arrested Tom or Jason?

If Jason, would they have found him guilty of a crime for which he should be executed? Would our system require he die in the heinous way he died?

You and I do not know Jason or Tom Martens or Molly Martens. So we can attribute good motives and bad ones anyway we want. But feelings aren't evidence. And the evidence says overkill. I guess you have excuses for that and I don't. That's allowed on this Board. But I might ask you, is there anyone in your life that you love, that you would want to die this way?

The evidence we heard this week goes to the kind of society we want to live in. I fear a society where we invent excuses for heinous violence like this.
TM did not "give his life" for his daughter. He didn't get a scratch. He TOOK a life for his daughter. Or is throwing away his life to cover for that raging, sick woman that drove Maginn to write his book. Either way, we are a society of laws. Neither one of them, by law, had a right to do what they did.

We have put in place many options for abused women with no resources. Molly had many resources, many options. Execution with such extreme violence was not an option we should want to find excuses for....because that's a slippery slope. Most murderers feel aggrieved. So they shoot up their workplace, or a school, or kill the other woman or the nasty boss.

When individuals are permitted to decide who lives or dies based on their feelings..we are the Wild,Wild west. When we make their feelings more important than a human life or a lawful society, that's a dangerous path.

:goodpost:

Well said, stmarysmead! The evidence absolutely speaks for itself. Most people here see this.

IMHO