GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #6

[Hotchips]

Are the links posted above the entire of the Daily Mail article?? If so, she did not report on the testimony of the Nurse or the pharmacist or the second police man from what I can see. i mean I know its the daily mail but surely she could manage to report on ALL the evidence presented esp when it would seem she has no time to tweet but has time to report on what members of the families and friends are doing in the courtroom. nor do we need descriptions of what molly is wearing!!! disgraceful journalism. I have read to many articles so far and not one of them is consistant but this has to be one of the worst!

 

[Electric Sheep]

Are the links posted above the entire of the Daily Mail article?? If so, she did not report on the testimony of the Nurse or the pharmacist or the second police man from what I can see. i mean I know its the daily mail but surely she could manage to report on ALL the evidence presented esp when it would seem she has no time to tweet but has time to report on what members of the families and friends are doing in the courtroom. nor do we need descriptions of what molly is wearing!!! disgraceful journalism. I have read to many articles so far and not one of them is consistant but this has to be one of the worst!

You know it's the Daily Mail, that's your answer. It's kind of embarrassing seeing people quote it as a reliable media source.

 

[Hotchips]

You know it's the Daily Mail, that's your answer. It's kind of embarrassing seeing people quote it as a reliable media source.

I know I'm despairing here. Can one journalist not write a clear and concise article covering each witness and what questions were asked of them, who asked them and their answers. That way we could get a better handle on things. Never mind the dramatics! Wasting writing space with descriptions of people chewing gum and scribbling and elderly people in for a look is just nonsense journalism. Il check in later after work to see what today will bring.

 

[Estelle]

The reporting on Twitter is the worst I have ever seen.

I have followed four trials in South Africa and the tweeting has been excellent.

The newspaper reporting seems to have been selective but not complete.

It seems that TM is still going with the lie about JC's father-in-law telling TM that JC killed his first wife. I thought that was already proven to be a big lie.

 

[irishmartin]

"and killed their previous wife "

He did nit kill his previous wife but this is a pubic forum and lots of people who are not familiar with the case may be come confused..
See the post earlier regarding the mistruths represented to media by the defence..

Meanwhile I am growing increasingly concerned at the 'facts' of the public statements being misrepresented.

If an experienced journalist does not start reporting on this case, we really need to consider whether we should discuss it at all?
Or await the actual trial transcripts? Does anybody know how quickly they are made available?

I used it back there to show the irony of TM praise for JC and his golfing pal and he previously after JC death badmouthing him as the killer of his first wife and being stating he was told by her father at the wedding of Molly and JC. His first wife’s father now deceased was not at the wedding and there is no disputed to JC first wife’s death. She died from an asthma attack.

 

[stephanddoody]

The reporting on Twitter is the worst I have ever seen.

I have followed four trials in South Africa and the tweeting has been excellent.

The newspaper reporting seems to have been selective but not complete.

It seems that TM is still going with the lie about JC's father-in-law telling TM that JC killed his first wife. I thought that was already proven to be a big lie.

Im pretty sure Wc will take the stand and say when he visited and verify it with pictures . As far as I am aware they are still going ahead with the wedding lie but I'm sure they have something to debunk that also ... We will have to wait and see I suppose . As for the reporting I have seen none that have been clear about everything. There are few reporters there reporting Catherine fegan has been reporting since the beginning and obviously has an interest in this case She was the one that brought Keith out of the shadows . I'm sure the jury is observing the emotions of all parties there also. I'm not sure fox 8 is a reputable source of information either but there you go it is what it is . The journalists are trying to sell a story who would have thought ..

 

[kittythehare]

I know I'm despairing here. Can one journalist not write a clear and concise article covering each witness and what questions were asked of them, who asked them and their answers. That way we could get a better handle on things. Never mind the dramatics! Wasting writing space with descriptions of people chewing gum and scribbling and elderly people in for a look is just nonsense journalism. Il check in later after work to see what today will bring.

The job of the journalist is to bring the viewer in. Dailymail reputation notwithstanding, this is in fact how good journalists report court cases.. Read the new York Times, read the Washington Post, Read the guardian.. these tiny details answer our questions, I have a good sense of the dynamic in that court room after reading that article.
I am merciless on journalism, I only subscribe to one, the New York Times, I dont subscribe to and rarely read a single Irish newspaper. But my favourite journalists work for the NYT,
Catherine has done an excellent job.. in terms of court reportage.
It is out of the ordinary for mail..
I dont know whether its the entire article or a snippet.
think about being forced to witness such belligerence on a daily basis.. and it will surely worsen as the week progresses.

Who chews gum at a murder trial?
What kind of a statement does that make?

 

[stmarysmead]

Just a few observations. The jury vote will have to be unanimous...one way or another. One juror can "hang the jury" but then they can be tried again. If it's a majority of the jury has voted guilty, in a murder case, that's often the case that the State will set a retrial. Only 12 jurors voting not guilty can set them free.

"The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree." Juries in criminal cases are generally, as a rule, required to reach a unanimous verdict, and juries in civil cases typically have to reach a majority on some level.
Wikipedia › wiki › Hung_jury
Hung jury - Wikipedia"

Hers some additional information about David Freedman...Tom Martens attorney. He once worked very hard to help a rogue prosecutor keep his license and his power over the citizens of Durham, NC. You can read more in this article. By the way, he failed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...isconduct-allegations/?utm_term=.27f6380cc25a

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/04/13/nifong-attorney-responds-to-critics.html

 

[Hotchips]

Im pretty sure Wc will take the stand and say when he visited and verify it with pictures . As far as I am aware they are still going ahead with the wedding lie but I'm sure they have something to debunk that also ... We will have to wait and see I suppose . As for the reporting I have seen none that have been clear about everything. There are few reporters there reporting Catherine fegan has been reporting since the beginning and obviously has an interest in this case She was the one that brought Keith out of the shadows . I'm sure the jury is observing the emotions of all parties there also. I'm not sure fox 8 is a reputable source of information either but there you go it is what it is . The journalists are trying to sell a story who would have thought ..

Are potential witnesses allowed to sit through other witnesses' testimony? I believe wayne has been attending every day so Im not sure if he could be called.

Yep, definitely there to sell papers, I understand that, but im afraid the Daily Mail's style of journalism are doing what the Corbett family dont want ... a circus made out of the proceedings.

 

[stephanddoody]

Are potential witnesses allowed to sit through other witnesses' testimony? I believe wayne has been attending every day so Im not sure if he could be called.

Yep, definitely there to sell papers, I understand that, but im afraid the Daily Mail's style of journalism are doing what the Corbett family dont want ... a circus made out of the proceedings.

Im not sure but Shannon grubb is supposed to be a witness and she was there, Lynn is there also and she is a witness for the prosecution

 

[Hotchips]

Who chews gum at a murder trial?
What kind of a statement does that make?

I get what you say but my point is that it is irrelevant, has nothing to do whatsover with the case so therefore why bother printing it when she could have reported on the testimonies of all the witnesses presented yesterday.

 

[Hotchips]

Im not sure but Shannon grubb is supposed to be a witness and she was there, Lynn is there also and she is a witness for the prosecution

Ok thanks stephen. I wasnt sure about that. I dont think it is allowed in Ireland , just wondering was it same here. Just seems a little odd to me that TMs lawyers would say something like that , that can be easily challenged by someone in the room but then again its up to the prosecution to challenge it and if they dont, who will. I think there are a lot of tactics at play by the Defence which makes me think they have something major up their sleeve imo.

 

[kittythehare]

I get what you say but my point is that it is irrelevant, has nothing to do whatsover with the case so therefore why bother printing it when she could have reported on the testimonies of all the witnesses presented yesterday.

It has everything to do with the case.. If you ever get time.. read the live tweeting from the dylan Roof trials.. we knew every juror, every witness what they wore, how they spoke, how they felt, his demeanor throughout.. it was like 360 degree real.. it felt like being in there.. living, breathing.. everything was in full color.. and entirely non sensationalised..
I was expecting the same from this trial ..
She may well have reported the testimonies as well.
I hear you, I do... its not happening, I dont know why, and she is the only one that has come within a hair's breadth of known good practice for trial reporting.
I too thought we would get it all,
I'm beginning to think the lack of a livestream was a bad idea.
If it had been livestreamed, it is highly unlikely that Sharon would be reading the Beano and someone else spitting gum..
This is intimidation.
And its not only right but necessary that its reported.

 

[stephanddoody]

I get what you say but my point is that it is irrelevant, has nothing to do whatsover with the case so therefore why bother printing it when she could have reported on the testimonies of all the witnesses presented yesterday.

I think that she has a weekend to fill as well when there is no court so maybe she is saving for a big weekend spread that would be my guess. Personally I am interested in what is happening in the courtroom mightn't be everyone's taste . The journalists can hardly be faulted for trying to make a living it's frustrating though for us as followers

 

[stmarysmead]

All media is suspect. I would not insult a parakeet by lining his birdcage with the NYT. Corporations have agendas. Reporters have agendas. But for our purposes here, it's all we have.

 

[emmalpage81]

IMO a journalists job is to tell a story. I think in any situation where you tell a group of people the same story there will be parts of it that resonate with them and that is what they remember. I see this in the same way; they all hear the same evidence being given in Court but certain things stick out to them- the bits they think will make a good story - and they run with that. They are trying to get their story out first so, yes, they miss things.

Catherine would have been on a deadline yesterday to get her article together to be included in the paper this morning. She probably didn't have time to include the later witnesses.

I, personally, think a lot more care is taken when reporting on a televised trial. Your mistakes are easy to be picked up so more attention is given. You could happily live tweet away knowing you could have the testimony recorded and go over it again when writing your article. They do not have this luxury. They have to take notes, write their article and tweet out updates. It's not easy so I am, personally, going to cut them a bit of slack.

All IMO

 

[irishmartin]

What I understand from the opening statement of council for TM is that when he first arrived on the scene in JC bedroom JC was chocking MC with his hands around her throat and he then went into an arm-lock around her neck. Surely then one would think JC had a shield using MC and someone in such a position would face her on TM and it would be difficult to actually strike at JC especially for a much smaller frailer man. Molly would be the first recipients of TM blows and putting myself in JC place I would push forward on TM using the MM shield till I pushed him over. The vast majority of JC massive injuries were in the back of his head and was attacked from the back. It’s not a plausible explanation and these are the residues of TM pre-emptive statement to police coming back to haunt him just like the alleged JC apology in the alleged assault of MC. Looking at yesterday’s Ms' arrival in court I thought TM is showing the pressure and MM just totally dislocated. If TM takes the stand which I think he has to give any credibility to his defense the prosecution will have a field day picking holes.

 

[stmarysmead]

Just a few observations. The jury vote will have to be unanimous...one way or another. One juror can "hang the jury" but then they can be tried again. If it's a majority of the jury has voted guilty, in a murder case, that's often the case that the State will set a retrial. Only 12 jurors voting not guilty can set them free.

"The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree." Juries in criminal cases are generally, as a rule, required to reach a unanimous verdict, and juries in civil cases typically have to reach a majority on some level.
Wikipedia › wiki › Hung_jury
Hung jury - Wikipedia"

Hers some additional information about David Freedman...Tom Martens attorney. He once worked very hard to help a rogue prosecutor keep his license and his power over the citizens of Durham, NC. You can read more in this article. By the way, he failed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...isconduct-allegations/?utm_term=.27f6380cc25a

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/04/13/nifong-attorney-responds-to-critics.html

Another interesting note is about the difference between civil and criminal trials. In the civil case, not only is the burden of proof much lower, but only a majority of the jury needs to agree with the Lynch family, for them to prevail in a civil trial.

"The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree." Juries in criminal cases are generally, as a rule, required to reach a unanimous verdict, and juries in civil cases typically have to reach a majority on some level.

 

[stephanddoody]

I'm not sure that the ethics of journalists are on trial here . MM and Tm are

You will hear that Molly Martens Corbett tried to hit him in the head with a paver .he said The state will show that she was successful as bits of Mr Corbetts hair is on the saturated brick



He was struck low to the ground





It was six months since they had visited Molly Jason and Mr Corbetts children in Wallburg and they thought it would be nice to visit

https://www.facebook.com/TheIrishMail/posts/1936851316572410

 

[kittythehare]

All media is suspect. I would not insult a parakeet by lining his birdcage with the NYT. Corporations have agendas. Reporters have agendas. But for our purposes here, it's all we have.

i knew that.. but I still love you.