GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #7

[Harmony 2]

When the jurors went home, Assistant District Attorney Greg Brown said he hoped to rest the prosecution’s case by either Tuesday or Thursday.

Judge David Lee had indicated that there would be no court Wednesday because of a prior commitment he had.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1339603/...k-dads-brutal-death-forensic-analyst-reveals/

 

[kittythehare]

They knew everything that would be said ahead of time because the prosecution has to disclose it months ahead of time in discovery.

They were probably hoping that the co-workers comments would be excluded by the judge. They actually had a legitimate argument for exclusion but it was unsuccessful. Now they have an appealbale issue if there is a conviction.

but, why?
And if defence knew in advance why did they make such a point of demonstrating an affable relationship between the two?

This woman has merely disproven their allegation because of her status, her words and her experience. She has also kindly offered suggestions on where they might find similarly qualified people who will do the same if asked.
What is to appeal? She has an impeccable record and nothing at all to gain by lying?

 

[Harmony 2]

I may have missed it, but has there been any mention of injury to JC's hands or arms? Just wondering since it would be natural to shield your head during an attack like this. No hand/arm wounds would indicate a quick unconsciousness to me.

page 3:

HT ARM: On the dorsum of the right hand is a 1/4 x 1/8", irregular, superficial, red abrasion
within a 1/2 x 3/8", irregular, blue contusion. On the dorsum of the right 3rd finger are three irregular,
superficial, red abrasions measuring 1/16", 1/8", and 1/8" in greatest dimensions. The right arm has no
palpable fractures.
LEFT ARM: On the dorsum of the left forearm are a 1 1/4 x 1", irregular, pink contusion and a 1 x
3/4", irregular, pink contusion. On the dorsum of the left hand and 2nd and 3rd fingers is a 5 x 2 1/2",
irregular, raised, pink and purple ecchymosis. The left arm has no palpable fractures.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-5d24-a2ed-e651f4d8e6fd/56907dd1da036.pdf.pdf

 

[robinhood]

ironic really ,isn't it? TM had an issue with Jason friends being 'rowdy', he frowned upon it. He didn't have a problem with beating Jason to death with a base ball bat, aided and abetted by ???????????? (to be confirmed) and a paving slab. Gee these people really abuse common sense and decency. Wow, they expect preferential treatment because they serve. ( themselves), <modsnip>

 

[Harmony 2]

but, why?
And if defence knew in advance why did they make such a point of demonstrating an affable relationship between the two?

This woman has merely disproven their allegation because of her status, her words and her experience. She has also kindly offered suggestions on where they might find similarly qualified people who will do the same if asked.
What is to appeal? She has an impeccable record and nothing at all to gain by lying?

appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineffective_assistance_of_counsel

 

[CaptRenault]

...the jury will debate these points about who did what between MM and TM. This is part of the defense strategy to try them together adding a layer of confusion resulting in potential disagreement in the jury room. OTOH the jury may see the result as the crime of 2nd degree murder and just find them both guilty without worrying about who inflicted which blow. The prosecution may wait for their closing argument to lay out their theory of who did what, and they may also not try to explain it preferring to simply repeat that both admitted wielding weapons and therefore both are guilty.

So far I feel that most of the evidence seems to favor the prosecution. I don't think the prosecution has much to gain by detailing a specific theory of exactly how the two defendants wielded the two weapons and how many blows each defendant landed.

Only two people, MM and TM, know exactly what happened during the beating and they and their lawyers don't necessarily have to give any more of a detailed account than the very general account they have already given. TM might take the stand, but the questioning of him won't necessarily delve into the details of the sequence of blows against Jason. I agree that, if a detailed account is given by either side, then the resulting detailed description could sidetrack the jury into a long discussion of whether or not they believe the details of the account.

I think the prosecution will let the horrible physical evidence speak for itself and "...simply repeat that both admitted wielding weapons and therefore both are guilty." I think the defense will avoid getting into details of the beating because such a discussion would just underline the brutality of the beating and that would hurt their case. So right now I don't think we will hear either side present a detailed account of Jason's killing. Either side could decide to give a detailed account but I think it would be a risky strategy for both sides to do so. But we'll see-there's a long way to go.

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1339603/...k-dads-brutal-death-forensic-analyst-reveals/

Thursday seems impossible right now
-blood spatter expert has not concluded. He will continue
- Evidence from all warrants will need to be discussed showing motive
-possibly several more witnesses for prosecution
?
I would be very surprised if they finished late Friday...maybe even going into next week..?

 

[kittythehare]

So far I feel that most of the evidence seems to favor the prosecution. I don't think the prosecution has much to gain by detailing a specific theory of exactly how the two defendants wielded the two weapons and how many blows each defendant landed.

Only two people, MM and TM, know exactly what happened during the beating and they don't necessarily have to give any more of a detailed account than the very general account they have already given. TM might take the stand, but the questioning of him won't necessarily delve into the details of the sequence of blows against Jason. I agree that, if a detailed account is given by either side, then the resulting detailed description could sidetrack the jury into a long discussion of whether or not they believe the details of the account.

I think the prosecution will let the horrible physical evidence speak for itself and "...simply repeat that both admitted wielding weapons and therefore both are guilty." I think the defense will avoid getting into details of the beating because such a discussion would just underline the brutality of the beating and that would hurt their case. So right now I don't think we will hear either side present a detailed account of Jason's killing. Either side could decide to give a detailed account but I think it would be a risky strategy for both sides to do so. But we'll see-there's a long way to go.

We have only heard , heard is a gross exaggeration in this case, the prosecution arguments.
It is the job of the blood spatter expert to determine how the attack played out, the force and velocity of the blows and the proximity of the assailants to the victim.. and hopefully identify which was the fatal blow and who inflicted it.

He makes the story of the massacre understandable through the use of angles, directions, where the blood fell, its type and the injury which is likely to have been caused by each blow.

It matters little what they testify.. scientific principles will out the truth. Its a pretty exacting science.

He is the third person that knows what happened and the sequence in that room that night.

His testimony is the most important testimony in that court, he is in effect a witness, like a cctv camera witnesses.

 

[CaptRenault]

...It is the job of the blood spatter expert to determine how the attack played out, the force and velocity of the blows and the proximity of the assailants to the victim.. and hopefully identify which was the fatal blow and who inflicted it...It matters little what they testify.. scientific principles will out the truth. Its a pretty exacting science...He is the third person that knows what happened and the sequence in that room that night.

His testimony is the most important testimony in that court, he is in effect a witness...

I agree that the testimony of the blood spatter expert is important but I don't share your faith in the science of blood spatters or the ability of the expert to definitively reconstruct a blow-by-blow account of the killing.

I don't think we will ever know for sure whether Jason was asleep when the first blow was struck; or whether he was struck first by MM or TM: or who wielded which weapon and exactly how many blows were landed with each weapon and which one was the fatal blow.

Again, even if it were possible to definitively to reconstruct a blow by blow account of the killing, I don't think either side has anything significant to gain from such an account. The blood spatter testimony is important but I think your comparison of it to being like having a CCTV camera in the bedroom is an overstatement.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree that the testimony of the blood spatter expert is important but I don't share your faith in the science of blood spatters or the ability of the expert to definitively reconstruct a blow-by-blow account of the killing.

I don't think we will ever know for sure whether Jason was asleep when the first blow was struck; or whether he was struck first by MM or TM: or who wielded which weapon and exactly how many blows were landed with each weapon and which one was the fatal blow.

Again, even if it were possible to definitively to reconstruct a blow by blow account of the killing, I don't think either side has anything significant to gain from such an account. The blood spatter testimony is important but I think your comparison of it to being like having a CCTV camera in the bedroom is an overstatement.

Have you read this at all?
https://www.slideshare.net/daxton45...th-edition-stuart-h-james-ebook-free-71632309

or this? Forensic science is a science, therefore provable and credible without requiring a blind act of faith. https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/931366/download

 

[wildebeest]

Thomas certainly doesn't appear to like the Irish.

Well if it's any consolation, we don't like him very much either.

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[kittythehare]

I am an American, and I love the Irish! Great people &#9752;&#65039;

You must come!

But re Tom and Triona's post I am trying in my head to summarise what we know about him, and what we know about him that is new since trial started.
-he became agitated in police car on the night he states he killed Jason Corbett. Maybe he was just cold.
-He did not like Jason, in fact he hated him. Did this hatred bring about Jason's murder? How much did it contribute to it?
- He visited Jason's house pretty frequently and he accepted his hospitality frequently, all previous threads share posts about these visits..

- he took from a man he hated.
That means one thing for me
he is dishonest.

 

[wildebeest]

You must come!

But re Tom and Triona's post I am trying in my head to summarise what we know about him, and what we know about him that is new since trial started.
-he became agitated in police car on the night he states he killed Jason Corbett. Maybe he was just cold.
-He did not like Jason, in fact he hated him. Did this hatred bring about Jason's murder? How much did it contribute to it?
- He visited Jason's house pretty frequently and he accepted his hospitality frequently, all previous threads share posts about these visits..

- he took from a man he hated.
That means one thing for me
he is dishonest.

kittythehare---I have traveled all over your beautiful country, and will definitely return.

Yes, he is a dishonest man. He was so accustomed to enabling his problem child, but he went a bit too far that fateful night two years ago.

IMHO

 

[Jennifer17]

Have you read this at all?
https://www.slideshare.net/daxton45...th-edition-stuart-h-james-ebook-free-71632309

or this? Forensic science is a science, therefore provable and credible without requiring a blind act of faith. https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/931366/download

BBM. You and I know that but not all people believe that science is fact.

 

[kittythehare]

BBM. You and I know that but not all people believe that science is fact.

Its the only voice the dead have..
The warrants were very thorough for the data they requested.. but the crime scene photographs show a lot more phones than were listed on the warrants.. I'm wondering whether that will end up in a deficit of info sourced? I hope not.
I know the courts are focused on achieving justice, if it even exists anywhere in the world anymore, but the family and close friends of the victim, Jason, need answers too.. its been two long years..and they are only beginning to discover the depth of the circumstances surrounding their brother's homicide..

 

[Harmony 2]

The trial also heard North Carolina State Crime laboratory fingerprint expert, Adrianne Reeve, reveal that no identifying fingerprints were found on the blood-soaked Louisville Slugger baseball bat found at the scene.
Ms Reeve said fingerprint-type ridges were found in a dark red dried substance believed to have been blood.

"There were no identifying latent (hidden) print on Item 1 (baseball bat)," she said.

"(I) saw some ride detail - but there was not sufficient quantity or quality of it available," she said.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ated-soninlaw-jason-court-hears-35989680.html

I interpret this to mean that fingerprint ridges were found but not identifiable, which could mean they were smudged or not of sufficient quality. This is totally different than none were found. IMO

 

[Harmony 2]

What James called impact blood spatter was on part of the bed and a saturation blood stain was on the bed skirting. James said the evidence suggested that Jason was first struck at or near the bed.

http://www.journalnow.com/news/crim...cle_5ee517ef-3ebd-59f2-97cd-8a65685f0708.html

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ated-soninlaw-jason-court-hears-35989680.html

I interpret this to mean that fingerprint ridges were found but not identifiable, which could mean they were smudged or not of sufficient quality. This is totally different than none were found. IMO

It is completely different. I wonder whether they were tested for DNA as well?
Its such a shame we are not receiving reportage from the court..
Just headlines and we want to understand all of it.. i suppose its too late now for major MSM interest?

they could have cleaned it of ridges and blood prints, but they did not.

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.journalnow.com/news/crim...cle_5ee517ef-3ebd-59f2-97cd-8a65685f0708.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...n-bed-expert-tells-murder-trial-35991403.html

Dr Stuart James told a Davidson County murder trial he found blood spatters on the inside of the quilt on Mr Corbett's bed, in addition to blood saturation marks inside the mattress. He said they may well have been from the first blow struck.

 

[SandyQLS]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...n-bed-expert-tells-murder-trial-35991403.html

Dr Stuart James told a Davidson County murder trial he found blood spatters on the inside of the quilt on Mr Corbett's bed, in addition to blood saturation marks inside the mattress. He said they may well have been from the first blow struck.

from the same link:

"A forensic scientist said blood spatter marks indicated retired FBI agent Thomas Michael Martens (67) was standing above Mr Corbett (39) when the Irish businessman's skull was struck with a metal baseball bat.

...Dr James said blood spatters on the inside lower hem of Mr Martens's boxer shorts were different in direction from those on the front of the underwear. He said it was consistent with Mr Corbett's head possibly having been close to the bedroom floor."