GUILTY NC - Kathy Taft, 62, Raleigh, 6 March 2010 - #6

[Madeleine74]

It's a reason, but not an excuse.

What these docs are saying is true. Drugs, alcohol, deviant behaviors...all of those things affect the brain and brain chemistry.

But that's not justification for the crime. For me it comes down to: Did JW know right from wrong. Was he mentally able to form the thoughts required to commit these crimes and did he know what he was doing was wrong?

Yes he did! And he knew enough to try and avoid detection.

Guilty!

 

[gracielee]

"Raw notes"?? Were we provided with those 'raw notes'?? Oh, he's stepped into a big ole' pile of cow-pies now.

 

[seattlechiquita]

"Raw notes"?? Were we provided with those 'raw notes'?? Oh, he's stepped into a big ole' pile of cow-pies now.

I was wondering about that. I know the prosecution have to hand over everything to the DT - does it go both ways?

 

[gracielee]

I was wondering about that. I know the prosecution have to hand over everything to the DT - does it go both ways?

AFAIK, they do.

 

[NCEast]

Nerve cells of snails????????????????????????????????????

 

[seattlechiquita]

Back to talking about himself, the excels. OMG this is so freaking professorishy :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[NCEast]

I was wondering about that. I know the prosecution have to hand over everything to the DT - does it go both ways?

Yes they do.

 

[NCEast]

Dr. Wilson got kind of huffy right there at the end. He was happy to be released.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Yes they do.

Ok. I doubt the prosecution will even request the notes. Lunch time.

 

[NCEast]

Nerve cells of snails????????????????????????????????????

And now I'm wondering if our tax dollars funded that research. Probably.

 

[laces]

Alcohol makes me happy. It also results in my being able to shoot pool and bowl much better. Go figure.

Geez, maybe I should go try bowling......but seriously, after two glasses of wine, i'm asleep. and may have a headache!

 

[gracielee]

IMO, JW, willingly and knowingly consumed quantities of booze and pills, whether swallowed or snorted. He also knew he had problems with both. He had a fight with his wife, trotted over to the *Giles* house, picked up the ADT sign to jimmy the door, AND ALSO PICKED UP A ROCK. He knew he didn't need the rock to gain entrance to the house, hence the sign. So why, if not to beat his victim, did he pick up that rock? Not to 'break a window to gain entrance', he had the sign for that purpose. He picked up the rock as a weapon. CASE CLOSED.

 

[laces]

Now I'm wondering if there is any chance he did this before? Increased sex driive or not...how do you go from being surprised someone is there to killing them and raping them? This researcher has just opened up more ideas in my head....
and we use dopamine at work for hypotension, it's a great drug not only to raise the blood pressure but also to improve renal function at low doses. I am wondering why the folks we administer this to don't get all happy-sappy.
Maybe its a different component, I don't know. My brain is starting to hurt right about now. and it looks like rain and i have to mow this afternoon.:moo::moo::moo: there is no smilie for mowing.

 

[laces]

IMO, JW, willingly and knowingly consumed quantities of booze and pills, whether swallowed or snorted. He also knew he had problems with both. He had a fight with his wife, trotted over to the *Giles* house, picked up the ADT sign to jimmy the door, AND ALSO PICKED UP A ROCK. He knew he didn't need the rock to gain entrance to the house, hence the sign. So why, if not to beat his victim, did he pick up that rock? Not to 'break a window to gain entrance', he had the sign for that purpose. He picked up the rock as a weapon. CASE CLOSED.

All i'm saying is, how big a rock do you carry to fracture someone's skull with? How big were those freaking pockets? Once you're inside, why would you still have a big rock in your pocket. I know none of this makes sense. How could it. He was out of his mind. and I wish he would stop wearing those vests. Someone give him a suitcoat. For now.

 

[NCEast]

Now I'm wondering if there is any chance he did this before? Increased sex driive or not...how do you go from being surprised someone is there to killing them and raping them? This researcher has just opened up more ideas in my head....
and we use dopamine at work for hypotension, it's a great drug not only to raise the blood pressure but also to improve renal function at low doses. I am wondering why the folks we administer this to don't get all happy-sappy.
Maybe its a different component, I don't know. My brain is starting to hurt right about now. and it looks like rain and i have to mow this afternoon.:moo::moo::moo: there is no smilie for mowing.

I, too, think Dr. Wilson opened door to several areas relating to JW and his past deeds. I hope somebody will follow up with them.
I've been trying to mow all week and we've had daily rain. Which I love, because we probably won't get any during July and August. However, my lawn is beginning to look awful.

 

[NCEast]

All i'm saying is, how big a rock do you carry to fracture someone's skull with? How big were those freaking pockets? Once you're inside, why would you still have a big rock in your pocket. I know none of this makes sense. How could it. He was out of his mind. and I wish he would stop wearing those vests. Someone give him a suitcoat. For now.

I was thinking the rock would have to be large enough to do major damage to her skull--something like a landscaping rock. But if it fit into his pocket it must have been a small rock.....and I have no idea how he could inflict that much damage and kill someone with a small rock.

 

[laces]

Absolutely. Even when one is impaired, people know when they are screwing up.

 

[borndem]

I agree, he's screwed up. But does that in any way mitigate his guilt? John Couey, the man who buried poor Jessie Lundsford alive was also 'screwed up'. As is Joseph Duncan, the killer of the Groene family. At some point in time 'screwed up' shouldn't have any bearing IMO.

I guess what it comes down to is, Andrea Yates was 'screwed up', but her mental illness, psychosis, wasn't due to her life-style IMO. JW drank, drugged himself up, did nothing to treat his anger issues, etc. Who among us wouldn't be 'screwed up' if we allowed ourselves to indulge in any and all behaviors regardless of consequences. :moo:

Good post, glee.

Again, I have bad genes for a predisposition to alcoholism -- my father & my aunt, his sister were alcoholics; he quit, she didn't. I drank a lot during my freshman year in college (my boyfriend was a big drinker, the fraternity "thing," and it was legal to drink beer at 18 y/o then). I had a few blackouts, & from my reading in AA resources -- mom & I would go to "open meetings" to hear presentations by professionals, etc. -- I knew that blackouts were a harbinger of a propensity to alcoholism. Plus, I always had absolutely awful hangovers. And I never really found an alcoholic drink that I enjoyed -- it was peer pressure & I liked the buzz.

Pot came along.... I stopped dating the drinker, and it was quite easy not to "have to" drink alcohol. I KNEW IT WAS A BIG RISK FOR ME.

Pot was a great substitute... (can I get an "Amen" ?)

I am a smoker (cigarettes!) -- I know I should stop, but.... I know I have whatever brain chemistry it is that makes addiction more likely for me.

In short, I stopped drinking booze because I knew it would lead to danger and nothing good. I didn't need counseling, and I'm no Einstein, but I quit. Why didn't JW do that?

I'm not trying to be "holier than thou," but I am saying it can be done without a passel of professionals.

just sayin'

 

[borndem]

at self-promoting doctor who is hawking his books (and tests drugs on animals ). I muted him once I heard that. If I were on the jury I would have trouble listening to anything he said after hearing his flippant remark about animals.

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Yeppers, Mad74 -- There's a BIG field of psychopharmacologists out there, and the DT picked this guy. He said he has never, to his memory, testified for the prosecution. He does & directs bench research & that's just fine, and he said he was not a "one-on-one" professional, and that's just fine -- but he ain't what is needed for an evaluation of JW (or anyone) & he ain't what we need to testify at this trial. From either side of the room, IMO.

 

[gracielee]

I was thinking the rock would have to be large enough to do major damage to her skull--something like a landscaping rock. But if it fit into his pocket it must have been a small rock.....and I have no idea how he could inflict that much damage and kill someone with a small rock.

How do we know it was ever 'in his pocket' except from what he says?? And per prior testimony, it's evident he lies. Looks almost like we have a male casey anthony on our hands here as far as lying and making excuses for bad behaviors. :moo: