GUILTY NC - Kathy Taft, 62, Raleigh, 6 March 2010 - #6

[seattlechiquita]

I've been in recovery for a long time.

JW KNEW he was an alcoholic/addict.
JW KNEW this was a family problem that had ruined peoples' lives.
JW KNEW that AA had a solution for him.
JW KNEW the solution worked when he tried it.
Yet, JW CHOSE to not accept the help so freely offered (and not so freely, if we count how much doolah his folks spent in shrinks), KNOWING that alcoholism and addiction are incurable, progressive, and fatal.

That said, he can shove it.

 

[borndem]

BBM

Man, try working with them. After almost 20 years in higher education, the thing professors love the most is the sound of their own voices. Specially when they are "right". :truce:

And getting paid to do it ....

 

[gracielee]

Good post, glee.

Again, I have bad genes for a predisposition to alcoholism -- my father & my aunt, his sister were alcoholics; he quit, she didn't. I drank a lot during my freshman year in college (my boyfriend was a big drinker, the fraternity "thing," and it was legal to drink beer at 18 y/o then). I had a few blackouts, & from my reading in AA resources -- mom & I would go to "open meetings" to hear presentations by professionals, etc. -- I knew that blackouts were a harbinger of a propensity to alcoholism. Plus, I always had absolutely awful hangovers. And I never really found an alcoholic drink that I enjoyed -- it was peer pressure & I liked the buzz.

Pot came along.... I stopped dating the drinker, and it was quite easy not to "have to" drink alcohol. I KNEW IT WAS A BIG RISK FOR ME.

Pot was a great substitute... (can I get an "Amen" ?)

I am a smoker (cigarettes!) -- I know I should stop, but.... I know I have whatever brain chemistry it is that makes addiction more likely for me.

In short, I stopped drinking booze because I knew it would lead to danger and nothing good. I didn't need counseling, and I'm no Einstein, but I quit. Why didn't JW do that?

I'm not trying to be "holier than thou," but I am saying it can be done without a passel of professionals.

just sayin'

I'm not a big drinker, but I've drunk until I passed out, once. Long LONG ago. I was doing fine until a couple of hubby's cousins, guys, talked me into a boilermaker after having been drinking whiskey & sours all evening. But I remember every single thing right up until literally passing out. Felt awful the next day, laid in bed with my eyes shut to make the room stop twirling around. Or it could have been the bed twirling while the room stayed still. With me, I know my limit. I'm a 'happy drunk', never get crabby, beligerant, etc., I'm just happy and fun. I guess I don't have an adictive personality except when it comes to smoking. And with smoking, I'm not sure what I'd call it. I have the type of brain chemistry that when I smoke, it helps my depression immensly. Not just a little bit, but a LOT. I quit for three years and never lost the desire for a cigarette. My doc says there are some people for whom nicotine releases those endorphins in ones brain, and unfortunately I'm one of them. One drag on a cig, and everything starts to slow down and relax in my brain once again. It's literally something I feel immediately, physically. I can get the same sense from the nicotine lozenges, but then I read about mouth cancer from usage of the lozenges. It's a real dilema for me. :-(

 

[borndem]

Nerve cells of snails????????????????????????????????????

:snail:

Now, East, don't be goin' off on snails. I don't think they even have dopamine in their system, bless their hearts (if they have 'em). :snail:

:snail:

 

[gracielee]

Does anyone know when lunch is over? If it was stated, I missed it?

 

[NCB]

Does anyone know when lunch is over? If it was stated, I missed it?

2:10, my sweet.

 

[gracielee]

OT/ ABC is reporting yet another *suspect* in the Etan Patz case. He was 18 yrs old at the time Etan went missing. No other news right now. Supposed to be a 20/20 special on it Friday I think. This is the first missing child case I ever followed, sure wish they could solve it for Etan's parents. Such a sweet little boy, my own children were young at the time. :-(

 

[borndem]

I was thinking the rock would have to be large enough to do major damage to her skull--something like a landscaping rock. But if it fit into his pocket it must have been a small rock.....and I have no idea how he could inflict that much damage and kill someone with a small rock.

I think he just kept it in his hand -- his paranoia had probably also kicked in due to the pot... what if he ran into somebody after he got in? He was a criminal; he thought like a criminal... When he saw KT, his mind shifted to pleasure and forceful sex -- but he still had legs that could have taken him out of that house.

And we learned about pre-meditation, if we didn't know it before, in the Cooper trial. Strangulation takes about 3--5 minutes. You start & you can stop before the deed is done -- completing the act is premeditation. Period.

 

[Boodles]

I was thinking about this last night - whether he has raped before. I did some reading about rapist types from something Just The Fax had posted when this case first broke. JW sounds like an "anger-retaliatory" rapist. Their frequency cycle is 6 months to a year between rapes, he rapes older women, often injures first, then rapes. The victim is at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I wonder if he has been tied to any prior rapes, or if he did it before and it went unreported. Could this have been his first?

The image of Dina being on the couch the whole time is so troubling to me. This is the creepiest case I have ever heard of besides the Manson family. I mean, JW didn't even know she was there and did this within feet of her. She could have been the victim as well.

Types: http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/crimpsych/CPSG-5.htm

 

[gracielee]

A witness for the defense coming in Tuesday morning. Wonder who that is? An expert witness or someone else?

 

[gracielee]

I was thinking about this last night - whether he has raped before. I did some reading about rapist types from something Just The Fax had posted when this case first broke. JW sounds like an "anger-retaliatory" rapist. Their frequency cycle is 6 months to a year between rapes, he rapes older women, often injures first, then rapes. The victim is at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I wonder if he has been tied to any prior rapes, or if he did it before and it went unreported. Could this have been his first?

The image of Dina being on the couch the whole time is so troubling to me. This is the creepiest case I have ever heard of besides the Manson family. I mean, JW didn't even know she was there and did this within feet of her. She could have been the victim as well.

Types: http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/crimpsych/CPSG-5.htm

I've wondered that myself, Boodles. He does seem a bit old for this to have been his first. And such a violent assault at that.

Well crap, more stuff for the jury to peruse. :banghead:

 

[borndem]

I'm not a big drinker, but I've drunk until I passed out, once. Long LONG ago. I was doing fine until a couple of hubby's cousins, guys, talked me into a boilermaker after having been drinking whiskey & sours all evening. But I remember every single thing right up until literally passing out. Felt awful the next day, laid in bed with my eyes shut to make the room stop twirling around. Or it could have been the bed twirling while the room stayed still. With me, I know my limit. I'm a 'happy drunk', never get crabby, beligerant, etc., I'm just happy and fun. I guess I don't have an adictive personality except when it comes to smoking. And with smoking, I'm not sure what I'd call it. I have the type of brain chemistry that when I smoke, it helps my depression immensly. Not just a little bit, but a LOT. I quit for three years and never lost the desire for a cigarette. My doc says there are some people for whom nicotine releases those endorphins in ones brain, and unfortunately I'm one of them. One drag on a cig, and everything starts to slow down and relax in my brain once again. It's literally something I feel immediately, physically. I can get the same sense from the nicotine lozenges, but then I read about mouth cancer from usage of the lozenges. It's a real dilema for me. :-(

BBM

Ref the blackouts -- I just figured everybody had them -- and then was told that that was not the case with most folks. Hmmmmm, I thought. That's when I got curious about it and found out more...

Your BBM info is very interesting, glee.

Hmmm -- Dr. Weiser is up -- he IS a psych. Let's hear it, peeps.

 

[gracielee]

Well, he's grown into his looks a bit.

 

[seattlechiquita]

anyone's feed freezin?

 

[gracielee]

anyone's feed freezin?

Mine's okay right now.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Mine's okay right now.

Meh. Mine's frozen.

 

[no1uknow]

Borndem,
If you don't get a message from me, let me know. I responded and thought I'd sent it but not sure....

 

[NCB]

anyone's feed freezin?

Mine's okay at the moment. I'm on WRAL right now.

 

[gracielee]

OMG, Dr. Forsyth. I feel like I'm in some sort of *weird world*!

 

[gracielee]

Meh. Mine's frozen.

Try refreshing.