cami
Keep your fork......
Kalypso said:
Ezboards were hacked so not much discussions going on over there these days.
NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?
- Thread starter hockeymom
- Start date
-
NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*- Latest: girlhasnoname
-
Ezboards were hacked so not much discussions going on over there these days.
So true! If there was any hitting or slapping, it would be a little bit of common domestic violence and he still had time to back out. But as soon as Mac picked up that bed slat board, something in him must have flashed that this was no turning back. You just don't hit your wife with a board even once and come out of the argument with your reputation unscathed.beesy said:
cami
Keep your fork......
Kalypso said:Yes, I know, it's sad. There probably won't be much new information to come out anyway, unless the DNA results come in, or Kathryn divorces Mac. But the analyses go on forever....
Kaly
Everyone's discussing the Laber's findings on the blood found on the pajama top now. It just backs up Stombaugh's findings that her blood stained the pajama top before it was torn. Of course, I am so far behind I haven't read it yet. I am still on Stombaugh's trial testimony!!!!
cami
Keep your fork......
Kalypso said:
I think he did punch Colette in the face a few times and that's where the blood first stained his pajama top. He admits in one of his interviews that he believed at the beginning of the struggle with these alleged intruders that he punched one of them in the face--freudian slip there isn't it. Also, if you look at her face in the autopsy photo you can see a black eye. Of course, that could have come from the club.
I found it interesting too that she had a circular bruise on her chest in the shape of that club as if Mac had held that club out to stop her from doing something.
That keeps me awake at night--wondering why, what started it, what happened. I guess we all want to know that eh.
Yes, Cami, if they ever invent a time machine, you know we'll be the first ones to try it out!cami said:
I just don't understand why the military men and cops who go through rigorous training to learn how take down a dangerous man have such high statistics for beating up on women, "the weaker sex." I always wonder about this. You'd think that after the academy or boot camp, that they would come through it with more respect toward people, and especially a tendency to be extra protective toward women and children. (I guess that's why they call them cowards when they do it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I have always had the impression that military service teaches values.I think I have mentioned here before that my Ex-husband went through police academy, and on 6/9/02, during a visitation visit for our daughter, he handcuffed me and beat to a pulp in front of three witnesses. (He was never arrested or prosecuted because it was a good ol' boy network, small backward town, and they didn't want him to lose his gun permit and thus lose his state job). So, understandably, I just don't get it why there are these trained tough guys who beat up on someone weaker than them. Or even worse, shoot their entire family, like the California cop, David McGowan recently did.
My husband was a Marine in Vietnam and I'm always asking him this question. He says that the military and police academy training do one of two things to a man - make him better, or make him worse.
Jun 15, 2005
Panel upholds no-parole recommendation in 'Fatal Vision' case
By DAVID DISHNEAU
Associated Press Writer
Former Green Beret doctor Jeffrey MacDonald will likely wait 15 years for another parole hearing, the U.S. Parole Commission said Wednesday.
The panel accepted a May 10 recommendation from two hearing examiners to deny parole to the 61-year-old inmate and hold a reconsideration hearing in May 2020, spokesman Thomas Hutcheson said.
MacDonald is serving three consecutive life sentences at the Federal Correctional Institution near Cumberland for the 1970 murders of his pregnant wife and two young daughters at Fort Bragg, N.C. The case was dramatized in a best-selling book and television miniseries, "Fatal Vision."
MacDonald is entitled to an interim hearing every two years to determine whether anything warrants changing the reconsideration date, Hutcheson said. At interim hearings, the commission may weigh evidence of a change in an inmate's health or behavior. MacDonald's first interim hearing would be in May 2007, Hutcheson said.
At a reconsideration hearing, the commission takes a fresh look at the case. The commission is required by law to hold the reconsideration hearing unless MacDonald waives it, Hutcheson said.
MacDonald's wife Kathryn, whom he married in prison in 2002, wasn't surprised by the commission's action. "We're most appreciative of the professionalism of the parole commission and feel that they listened to us carefully and made the best decision they felt they could make," she said.
Kathryn MacDonald, owner of a children's drama school in Laurel, said she hadn't spoken with her husband Wednesday and didn't know his reaction to the news.
MacDonald attorney Tim Junkin declined to comment on the decision. Another of MacDonald's lawyers, Wade Smith, of Raleigh, N.C., didn't immediately return a telephone call from The Associated Press.
The prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Frank D. Whitney of the Eastern District of North Carolina, didn't immediately return calls. Whitney said in May that he was pleased with the hearing examiners' recommendation.
A federal jury convicted MacDonald in 1979 of the murders of Colette MacDonald, 26, and their daughters Kimberley, 5, and Kristen, 2, on Feb. 17, 1970. MacDonald has always claimed that a group of hippie-like intruders entered their apartment at Fort Bragg and stabbed and clubbed his family to death in an attack that left him seriously injured.
MacDonald had been eligible to apply for parole since 1991 but he refused to apply until this year, contending it would involve a tacit admission of guilt. Junkin has said MacDonald's change of mind about seeking parole partly reflected a desire to live with his wife.
Panel upholds no-parole recommendation in 'Fatal Vision' case
By DAVID DISHNEAU
Associated Press Writer
Former Green Beret doctor Jeffrey MacDonald will likely wait 15 years for another parole hearing, the U.S. Parole Commission said Wednesday.
The panel accepted a May 10 recommendation from two hearing examiners to deny parole to the 61-year-old inmate and hold a reconsideration hearing in May 2020, spokesman Thomas Hutcheson said.
MacDonald is serving three consecutive life sentences at the Federal Correctional Institution near Cumberland for the 1970 murders of his pregnant wife and two young daughters at Fort Bragg, N.C. The case was dramatized in a best-selling book and television miniseries, "Fatal Vision."
MacDonald is entitled to an interim hearing every two years to determine whether anything warrants changing the reconsideration date, Hutcheson said. At interim hearings, the commission may weigh evidence of a change in an inmate's health or behavior. MacDonald's first interim hearing would be in May 2007, Hutcheson said.
At a reconsideration hearing, the commission takes a fresh look at the case. The commission is required by law to hold the reconsideration hearing unless MacDonald waives it, Hutcheson said.
MacDonald's wife Kathryn, whom he married in prison in 2002, wasn't surprised by the commission's action. "We're most appreciative of the professionalism of the parole commission and feel that they listened to us carefully and made the best decision they felt they could make," she said.
Kathryn MacDonald, owner of a children's drama school in Laurel, said she hadn't spoken with her husband Wednesday and didn't know his reaction to the news.
MacDonald attorney Tim Junkin declined to comment on the decision. Another of MacDonald's lawyers, Wade Smith, of Raleigh, N.C., didn't immediately return a telephone call from The Associated Press.
The prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Frank D. Whitney of the Eastern District of North Carolina, didn't immediately return calls. Whitney said in May that he was pleased with the hearing examiners' recommendation.
A federal jury convicted MacDonald in 1979 of the murders of Colette MacDonald, 26, and their daughters Kimberley, 5, and Kristen, 2, on Feb. 17, 1970. MacDonald has always claimed that a group of hippie-like intruders entered their apartment at Fort Bragg and stabbed and clubbed his family to death in an attack that left him seriously injured.
MacDonald had been eligible to apply for parole since 1991 but he refused to apply until this year, contending it would involve a tacit admission of guilt. Junkin has said MacDonald's change of mind about seeking parole partly reflected a desire to live with his wife.
beesy
myspace.com/beesy_boo
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2005
- Messages
- 1,814
- Reaction score
- 21
That's a great remark there. I know my husband went to military school and his 1st year went thru a terrible hazing. Guess what he did the next year? Beat the (beep) out of the new guys. It certainly didn't teach him to feel a need to protect anybody. He said the Army wasn't anything like military school, for him at least. He's a good man now, but he said it became a power thing.If those walls could talk eh?Kalypso said:Yes, Cami, if they ever invent a time machine, you know we'll be the first ones to try it out!
Oh! I'm so sorry! Did the witnesses at least help you?
beesy
myspace.com/beesy_boo
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2005
- Messages
- 1,814
- Reaction score
- 21
Hi
new to this thread, but a Dr. Mac hater for many many many years. I've briefly scanned Kris' autopsy report and read thru some of these posts, but didn't find the answers I need. The chest wounds which Kris had, were they exit wounds from her back? Did he stab her in the chest and back? I've thought about this case on and off for 20 yrs or more. My parents met in Fayetteville. He was stationed at Ft Bragg, she was a teacher. We've driven by Castle Drive as many of you have. It haunts ya doesn't it? Some people hear the case, say "that's awful" and move on. There are some cases that stick with me and I think about alot. Wondering why, how? Anyway, hope somebody can answer my question about Kris' wounds
thanks
new to this thread, but a Dr. Mac hater for many many many years. I've briefly scanned Kris' autopsy report and read thru some of these posts, but didn't find the answers I need. The chest wounds which Kris had, were they exit wounds from her back? Did he stab her in the chest and back? I've thought about this case on and off for 20 yrs or more. My parents met in Fayetteville. He was stationed at Ft Bragg, she was a teacher. We've driven by Castle Drive as many of you have. It haunts ya doesn't it? Some people hear the case, say "that's awful" and move on. There are some cases that stick with me and I think about alot. Wondering why, how? Anyway, hope somebody can answer my question about Kris' wounds
thanks
beesy
myspace.com/beesy_boo
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2005
- Messages
- 1,814
- Reaction score
- 21
Well times were different of course. To decide if a person should be charged with killing a fetus one must look at the age of the fetus. Even now, 23 weeks is about the youngest survivor. Certainly then the baby would not have been unable live out of the womb. That's what they look at. Remember Connor was due in a week or 2 right?Kalypso said:
cami
Keep your fork......
beesy said:
Kris was stabbed in the back and the chest. She had multiple penetrating incisior wounds to the anterior and posterior chest and anterior neck with secondary multiple incisions of the left lung, heart, trachea and thyroid.
Multiple incisions of left and right hands. (Defense wounds)
Multiple superficial abrasions to right lateral neck.
Why don't they call MacDonald a "quadruple murderer" instead of a "triple murderer"? The little boy inside Colette's stomach doesn't count?
I guess that was back in the day before Scott Peterson and fetus' were worthy of a murder count?[/QUOTE]
I like the way Fred Kassab put it in his letter (one of them), the four intruders were Colette, Kimmy, Kristy, and the unborn child. They were the intruders in McDonalds mind & home.
I guess that was back in the day before Scott Peterson and fetus' were worthy of a murder count?[/QUOTE]
I like the way Fred Kassab put it in his letter (one of them), the four intruders were Colette, Kimmy, Kristy, and the unborn child. They were the intruders in McDonalds mind & home.
http://www.themacdonaldcase.org/Update_Letter.html has anyone heard about this? I seen his wife on LK and they said there is evidence to prove his innocence without a doubt....
Looks like there's been a lot of discussion on this guy - although I don't see much of anything to provide reason for doubt that he did it. If you search the forums, there are some good threads - I thought I saw this letter just recently have a thread here....
nanandjim
Former Member
There are several threads in this forum, Crimes in the News, on MacDonald.michelle said:
If you will click on "Search This Forum" and put in the name of MacDonald, it will show them to you.
Here is one of them: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17848&highlight=macdonald
nanandjim
Former Member
BTW, this guy is an older version of Scott Peterson.
Online statistics
- Members online
- 150
- Guests online
- 1,094
- Total visitors
- 1,244