NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

  • #381
desertjade said:
I seem to recall that he was on amphetamines , with very little sleep at the time of the murders . For someone who has proclaimed his innocence all these years , he sure seems quite calm about the whole thing whenever he is being interviewed . If I remember right , in the crime scene was an overturned coffee table and a magazine article about the Manson killings ..
Another rumor by the book regarding the amphetamines. I recall the JUDGE during the "lawsuit" MacDonald filed and won - determined that Joe McGinnis fabricated the amphetamines addiction and that MacDonald was not on anything.

McGinnis needed to come up with a "motive" or excuse for going "insane" on his family.

personally, I thought at one time he was innocent.... thought it for a long time. But now, I think he was extremely calculated with everything he did including getting the girls their "pony rides" that same day.... having this perfect family day.

he had help and killed the help. THAT IS WHY HE KNEW there would be other DNA there.
 
  • #382
I think that Jeffrey McDonald's motive was the same motive as we have seen in so many murders when the husband has decided that he wants to be single and that he does not want to be tied down with child support or alimony payments. Colette was pregnant with their 3rd child at the time of her death. He would have been paying a pretty penny in child support alone.

I've always thought that McDonald had a pretty high opinion of himself and thought he was quite the ladies man. I will always believe that he wanted the single life with no attachments. I don't think anyone helped him murder his family. I think he did it all by himself and then tried to make it look like he had been attacked too. If Colette's stepdad hadn't been determined to see McDonald put away chances are he would never have even been tried. I hope he rots in that prison.
 
  • #383
Bunny said:
Mac didn't fight because, according to him, he just couldn't seem to manage to get his arms free of that old, thin, worn-out pajama top, and couldn't manage to kick that lightweight afghan off his feet. And of course he claims he was just waking from sleep, so the "intruders" had the advantage of surprise. I suppose he just forgot about the fact that Colette also would have been woken from sleep, and that she'd also taken medication which would have made her even more sleepy, but still managed to fight to the death for her own life and her children's lives. Even little 2½-year-old Kristen fought harder for her life than he did.

There was no female chanting in the living room of 544 Castle Drive on the night of February 16-17, 1970. No struggle with three male oven-mitt-wearing attackers took place in the living room or hallway or anywhere else that night, and no blood-dripping candles were ever found. No floppy hats except the one on the closet shelf which, it can be assumed, belonged to Colette. No Stoeckley, no Mazerolle (who was in jail during the murders); no Cathy Perry or Greg Mitchell or Dwight Smith. No prints on any piece of evidence which are unidentified; no fibers matched to any assailant except Mac himself. Mac's pajama thread found entwined around a bloody hair of Colette's, the bedding evidence, his bloody footprint exiting but not entering Kristen's room, the holes in his pajama top, the DNA results showing that no "intruder's" DNA matched that in any of those "crucial" exhibits chosen by the defense; the repeated demonstrations of Mac's consciousness of guilt...and a hair "clutched" in Colette's hand which Mac always insisted could only have come from her murderer and which was found to be his own.

Add it up and it's a recipe for lifetime incarceration.


:clap: :clap: Great post!
 
  • #384
I never said the laundry was a fact - it was an alternate source of where
the hair could have come from besides an accomplice. It is a fact there were no laundry facilities in the apt .

Kathryn and Macdonald have spouted outright lies and various deceptions all over the airways for years. Why this lying 🤬🤬🤬 is still getting attention is
beyond my comprehension. He is a family annilator and should never be allowed out. Bob may not be compelling TV but he is the only who speaks for or about Collette ,Kim and Kristen and the baby boy.

No, any accomplice would have left some kind of evidence, those apts are quite small and Mac isnt the type to buddy up or let loose of control, he was too busy chasing women. Mac had plenty of time to do all that he did, have never herd an argument or theory there wasnt enough time.

I lived quite close to castle drive at the time of the murders and it was
unbelievable then that hippies did this and its unbelievable now .

The evidence says it all - Mac is guilty, he acted alone and he commited
a heinous crime.
 
  • #385
michelle said:
I dont think you could fool that. JMO.

yes its possible and these murderers have a way of convincing themselves
of the lies they tell. Barbie wife is good at it too. She apparently has never actually read the trial transcripts or looked at the evidence instead choosing to believe what her husband tells her. Pathetic- she left a husband and children for the murderer . A few beers short of a six- pack .
 
  • #386
sharpar said:
The evidence says it all - Mac is guilty, he acted alone and he commited a heinous crime.

AMEN....
 
  • #387
Bunny said:
Cami, are you still there?


Hey Bunny, I had no idea this thread was even still active...no I have been on the Darlie thread forever...but here I am now and here I will stay.
 
  • #388
Peggy Maxwell said:
Here's the link to where I got that info about Joe:
http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/lkl_2006-03-16.html

Take it fwiw.
IMO:
As far as Bob goes, I can only imagine how I would feel in his shoes. It seemed like 90% "poor Mac" and 10% of the other side. Kathryn went on & on-why not let Bob say what he wanted to say?

Bob knew/knows Kathryn was lying through her teeth too. That old goat King was fawning all over her and wouldn't allow Bob to rebut the lies she was spinning....maybe he's looking for the next Mrs. King.
 
  • #389
blueclouds said:
Another rumor by the book regarding the amphetamines. I recall the JUDGE during the "lawsuit" MacDonald filed and won - determined that Joe McGinnis fabricated the amphetamines addiction and that MacDonald was not on anything.

McGinnis needed to come up with a "motive" or excuse for going "insane" on his family.

personally, I thought at one time he was innocent.... thought it for a long time. But now, I think he was extremely calculated with everything he did including getting the girls their "pony rides" that same day.... having this perfect family day.

he had help and killed the help. THAT IS WHY HE KNEW there would be other DNA there.

It's not a rumour...Mac's own handwritten notes included the fact that he was taking diet pills in the weeks preceeding the murders and that he "quite possibly" took one the night of the murders. McGinniss used these notes to speculate, which he notes in FV, that Mac took an overdose of amphetemines. Mac exhibited signs of amphetemine withdrawal in the aftermath of the murders....

Link to the Notes

Nor did MacDonald "win" the lawsuit. The jury hung on the very first question. The judge would have declared a mistrial but McGinniss knowing Mac would keep him in court for years and years offered to settle the lawsuit. Mac quickly took the settlement of $325,000, despite the $15M he sued for. McGinniss was holding $100,000 in escrow as Mac's share of the book proceeds and the insurance company paid the $225,000. The Kassabs quickly sued MacDonald for wrongful death and won. Once all the monies were paid to his lawyers and the Kassabs, Mac's portion was $50,000....1/2 half of what he would have received had he not sued.
 
  • #390
sharpar said:
The hair came from an unknown source - it didnt match the murdering hippie/ intruders he has always claimed were there. The family did laundry in a community laundrymat plus both colette and jeff were out that day among
alot of people so the hair could have transferred in any number of ways. It is no evidence of an intruder or his innocence. He is guilty guilty guilty.
He and Darlie Routier are soul mates - cut from the same cloth and told almost identical stories and have tons of supporters that are sure the big bad old justice system convicted them and that they will be set free.

The hair under Kris's fingernail could have come from anywhere. She did not have a bath that evening nor were her nails cleaned. There was also grass and dirt under her fingernails. Notice there was no mention by Kathyrn of the bloody blue pajama fibre found under Kris's nail either. Typical of Kathryn and the defense, they just ignore anything that's incriminating. I had to laugh at her on LKL, alleging the hair under Kris's nail was "extremely exculpatory." Half truths and lies..just as Bob Stevenson alleged on the program.

Actually, the MacDonalds had their own washer and dryer in their apt they did not use a laundromat.
 
  • #391
Bobbisangel said:
I think that Jeffrey McDonald's motive was the same motive as we have seen in so many murders when the husband has decided that he wants to be single and that he does not want to be tied down with child support or alimony payments. Colette was pregnant with their 3rd child at the time of her death. He would have been paying a pretty penny in child support alone.

I've always thought that McDonald had a pretty high opinion of himself and thought he was quite the ladies man. I will always believe that he wanted the single life with no attachments. I don't think anyone helped him murder his family. I think he did it all by himself and then tried to make it look like he had been attacked too. If Colette's stepdad hadn't been determined to see McDonald put away chances are he would never have even been tried. I hope he rots in that prison.

Good post, I agree...noone helped Mac the Knife murder his own family...he did it all on his own. I don't believe it was premeditated at all, an argument started that got out of hand, Mac fueled by those diet pills lost all control..
 
  • #392
Bunny said:
Good point about the "manipulative personality with a background in medicine," BGG!

I've never seen the hypnosis session on tape, but with permission from my friend Justthefacts, who has said I may quote his posts, here's some good info about the hypnosis session:

There are a number of problems with that hypnosis session. Here are the highlights:

1) The videotape clearly shows that MacDonald had 2 separate sessions. He wore 2 different shirts in the footage as did the examiner.

2) MacDonald's arm is outstretched in 1 of the sessions and his hands are clasped in the other session.

3) MacDonald provides far more detail during these sessions than he did to the CID in 1970 and at the Grand Jury hearings in 1974-1975.

4) The descriptions he gave of the intruders from these sessions don't even come close to matching the "suspects" from the Stoeckley group.

5) Considering he flunked a polygraph exam only months after the murders, his recollections during hypnosis 9 years after the murders, are meaningless.

Justthefacts.

I will verify and back up JTF, I sent him the tape that includes some of the hypnosis session.
 
  • #393
Jules said:
As I said earlier, the hair could have come for many things prior to the murder. If it was a long hair twisted around her finger or something like that I'd be more prone to think it occurred during a struggle. However, we don't know how big or long the hair was. I don't believe there was any evidence though of Kristen waking up during the attack. Then again, who knows.....

The reason I don't believe anyone else was there is because Mac is a narcissit who would never entrust a plan like this to someone else. He is a control freak - ego maniac, etc. - I just can't see him having anyone help him.

Sorry, Blue. Just my feelings. :blowkiss:

the hair was tiny, a hair shaft, and it was under the nail with grass and dirt as I mentioned. Nor were her hands bagged prior to autopsy. Kris was awake during her attack Jules, she has multiple cuts to her hands and fingers, one down to the bone in one finger, indicating she was trying to fend off the knife that killed her.
 
  • #394
cami said:
the hair was tiny, a hair shaft, and it was under the nail with grass and dirt as I mentioned. Nor were her hands bagged prior to autopsy. Kris was awake during her attack Jules, she has multiple cuts to her hands and fingers, one down to the bone in one finger, indicating she was trying to fend off the knife that killed her.

Thanks for clearing that up cami. As I said, it's been a while since I've reviewed all this. Your knowledge of this case is amazing. You certainly have a memory for detail. ;)
 
  • #395
Jules said:
I will always believe it was Jeff and Jeff alone that commited these murders.

HOWEVER, I also believe that the Army botched this case and made some mistakes in the beginning.

Seems the Fourth Circuit has ordered a new hearing on this case. I hadn't heard that before.

Nope, just another one of Kathryn's parroting what Mac tells her too. The Fourth is waiting for the prosecution to answer the defense allegations that Blackburn threatened a witness (Helena). No hearing has been ordered.
 
  • #396
txsvicki said:
After watching Nancy Grace talking earlier about the brown hair in or on Collette's hand turning out to be Jeffrey's, I went to crime library and it sort of suprised me to see how much this site seems to believe in Jeffrey's innocence. I had thought that crime library mainly just told the facts.

The Crime Libaray synopsis is written by a rabid MacDonald supporter. It's completely biased toward his innocence and it's more lies and half truths and very short on the facts of this case.
 
  • #397
cami said:
Nope, just another one of Kathryn's parroting what Mac tells her too. The Fourth is waiting for the prosecution to answer the defense allegations that Blackburn threatened a witness (Helena). No hearing has been ordered.

:waitasec: Hmmmmm, well I did hear that on the news. Thanks again. :blowkiss:
 
  • #398
michelle said:
I go there alot and read the different stories. I am on the fence about the Macdonald case/ I watched LKL last night and they said the hair wasnt in her hand but on the hand somewhere and was from him giving her mouth to mouth, so who knows.....

LOL, yes once again, that's what Bob Stevenson referred to as "half truths". For thirty years Mac the Knife has claimed that hair "clutched" in his dead wife's hand belongs to her killer." Oh how right he was, it's his. His camp goes into spin overdrive because this hair is incriminating....all of a sudden it's "on her hand" and not clutched in it. It was clutched in her hand, a limb hair belonging to her husband, she most likely tore from him as she fought him for her life.

Notice, as Bob stated, they never talk about the incriminating evidence like the blue bedsheet or mac's blue pajama top. Both these pieces of evidence are the smoking guns in this case.
 
  • #399
Wudge said:
As in Dr. Sam Sheppard's case, reasonable doubt also existed in this case from the word "go". Hence, Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald should have been found to be "not guilty".

Though, if I could have, I would have tossed the prosecutor into prison for withholding exculpatory evidence.

There was no exculpatory evidence withheld, there was no exculpatory evidence. Read the documents, they are all posted on line for anyone to verify. MacDonald is guilty as charged of three murders and belongs where he is.
 
  • #400
Wudge said:
(snicker)

I wouldn't snicker at Bunny's posts. She knows those documents like the back of her hand.....

Can you point out to us the exculpatory evidence that was withheld by the prosecution? Thanks...
 

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