NC NC - Northampton Co, Christmas Doe, Blk/WhtFem, UP2196, 4-7, near I-95 rest area, Dec'83

[believe09]

It's a beautiful story. If you can give a heads up on when the clay will be unveiled, one of us can ask Tricia to put it on the front page...would that work??

 

[Seifsister]

It will be unvelied at the press confrence on Feb 6. in Mebane, NC along with the young male child that was found in Mebane NC and info about Wilma X will be giving to the press too.

 

[Billylee]

Charley Project lists only ten black female children (10 years or younger) missing during or prior to 1983. None of them are from the North Carolina area.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/crawford_jovanna.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/davenport_tracy.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/q/quinn_sheila.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/staples_kelly.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/williams_olisa.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/teague_vinyette.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hill_toya.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jackson_tiahease.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/matory_violet.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/williams_yolanda.html

By the way, I have been indexing all of the nearly 8000 Charley Project profiles on an Excel spreadsheet to make them searchable by gender, age, city, state, and date of disappearance. So far, I have only the females missing prior to 1991, so I was able to pull this list.

That is so GREAT! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that! Now, how can we get it to them and keep that alternative on their website? All along, I've been saying why don't "THEY" do that, but if "They" are us and need help, I can do what I can to help out!

 

[Tricia]

Christmas Doe story should be in Sundays Ronake Rapids News Herald. I had my phone interview today. Charlotte will be doing a story and we are in the works to get her on NCWANTED. Let's hope we can catch a lead.

Dear Seifsister,

On behalf of everyone at Websleuths thank you for your tireless efforts in trying to help this sweet child. We are all so very proud of you.

This goes for everyone on this thread and the other missing threads.

You all work so hard and expect nothing in return. All you want to do is to help bring loved ones home.

I can't tell you how proud and humbled I am that you are here on Websleuths.

If you need anything please email me at [email protected]

Thank you. You are all my heroes.

Tricia

 

[kgriffin]

I also thinking these two cases could be the same child. This case has been on my mind since I read it. In case 54UFMO, the girl was well nourished...why isn't someone looking for her. She has fingernail polish on, a runaway doesn't take time for that. Her head must have been taken for a purpose. The child was strangled, already dead. Why take her head? Her fingers were left but there were no matches. It almost seems as the killer knew that fingerprints being identified wasn't a problem. I would like to know if anyone has updates on this case

 

[Seifsister]

I also thinking these two cases could be the same child. This case has been on my mind since I read it. In case 54UFMO, the girl was well nourished...why isn't someone looking for her. She has fingernail polish on, a runaway doesn't take time for that. Her head must have been taken for a purpose. The child was strangled, already dead. Why take her head? Her fingers were left but there were no matches. It almost seems as the killer knew that fingerprints being identified wasn't a problem. I would like to know if anyone has updates on this case

Christmas Doe had more bones than just a skull. Christmas Doe is more around age of 5.

 

[kgriffin]

Ok. so I'm sure that everyone has figured out that I'm a novice here and I'm playing catch up. Does anyone have a list of which chidren have been ruled out byDNA? I'm not quite sure my list is up to date.

Thanks!!

 

[Seifsister]

Ok. so I'm sure that everyone has figured out that I'm a novice here and I'm playing catch up. Does anyone have a list of which chidren have been ruled out byDNA? I'm not quite sure my list is up to date.

Thanks!!

DNA has been compared to Toya Hill and Phyllis Powell both ruled out. 3 more or being compared now. Shelia Quinn, Kelly Staples and Tracy Davenport.

Thanks

 

[kgriffin]

What do you think about Sharaun Cole, case No.NCMC857497. If I'm understanding the case files right, I believe that Kelly Staples and Tracy Davenport are probably a little to old to be Christmas Doe. There is Jovanna Crawford although she maybe a little to young to be Christmas Doe and the same of Olisa Williams. What are your thoughts? Do you know if Nikole Betterson or Yohanna Cyr have been looked into?

 

[Seifsister]

What do you think about Sharaun Cole, case No.NCMC857497. If I'm understanding the case files right, I believe that Kelly Staples and Tracy Davenport are probably a little to old to be Christmas Doe. There is Jovanna Crawford although she maybe a little to young to be Christmas Doe and the same of Olisa Williams. What are your thoughts? Do you know if Nikole Betterson or Yohanna Cyr have been looked into?

I think Sharaun Cole will be too old. It may be a long stretch but I put in a call to Det. for Nikole Betterson. I will also check on Yohanna Cyr too.

Thanks

 

[believe09]

Has anyone seen any media on the bust unveiling??? Tricia wants to highlight it on the board.....

 

[Seifsister]

Has anyone seen any media on the bust unveiling??? Tricia wants to highlight it on the board.....

It is not finished yet. Once it is released it has to be approved by Clyde then I can get a copy to you.

Betty

 

[CarlK90245]

Telethia R. Good ?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3028dfmd.html

717UFNC http://doenetwork.org/cases/717ufnc.html

ETA: I have sent an e-mail to Clyde Gibbs.

 

[webrocket]

Telethia R. Good ?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3028dfmd.html

717UFNC http://doenetwork.org/cases/717ufnc.html

ETA: I have sent an e-mail to Clyde Gibbs.

if I read the information correctly, Telethia was missing two teeth when she was last seen and Christmas Doe had no antemortem tooth loss.

 

[CarlK90245]

if I read the information correctly, Telethia was missing two teeth when she was last seen and Christmas Doe had no antemortem tooth loss.

The following comment appears in the NamUs Dental Section Comments:

Teeth present deciduous and charting shouldn't be seen as adult, so the numbers are not correct. New information is being generated to represent a child dental record. The upper amalagam is OL and the lower is O.

https://identifyus.org/cases/2196

All of the front teeth were missing from this child's skull, and they were deciduous (i.e., "baby") teeth. With missing deciduous teeth, you don't have empty sockets, as you would with adult teeth. So it may be more difficult to distinguish between antemortem and postmortem tooth loss.

 

[Seifsister]

I think this is a good possible match. Timeline fits, age, race, Maryland is not that far away from this part of North Carolina. I like it and am glad you sent it to Clyde Gibbs. I seen that she is not listed under NamUs so I sent a message to NCMEC to see if maybe a intake can be taken. Thanks for caring about our Baby girl!!

 

[CarlK90245]

This one might be difficult to prove. Telethia was adopted, so they probably won't be able to get DNA on her. If they don't have dental records, they may not be able to verify these two cases.

Porchlight has an article on Telethia's disappearance:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAIBAJ&pg=5261,2063727&dq=telethia+good&hl=en


BTW, I received the following reply from Clyde Gibbs to my e-mail that I sent last Friday:

If Miss Good has any dental restorations and/or DNA profile, it can be compared against our case in NamUs. All the information is presented there so that a comparison can take place. She hasn't been excluded.

I replied back that as far as I can tell, Telethia is not in NamUs (unless it is a non-public casefile).

I also tried to contact the Baltimore PD number listed on Telethia's DoeNet page. I got the run-around. The woman who answered gave me a different number to call, but when I called that number, they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. I asked for a missing persons or a cold case detective, they said that they don't have any such persons in their office. When I called back the original number, she suggested that I call 911.

:nevermind::sigh:

Earlier today, I called the Baltimore PD on a separate possible match, so if I hear back from them, I'll bring this case up, and maybe they will have a clue.

 

[webrocket]

This one might be difficult to prove. Telethia was adopted, so they probably won't be able to get DNA on her. If they don't have dental records, they may not be able to verify these two cases.

Porchlight has an article on Telethia's disappearance:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAIBAJ&pg=5261,2063727&dq=telethia+good&hl=en


BTW, I received the following reply from Clyde Gibbs to my e-mail that I sent last Friday:



I replied back that as far as I can tell, Telethia is not in NamUs (unless it is a non-public casefile).

I also tried to contact the Baltimore PD number listed on Telethia's DoeNet page. I got the run-around. The woman who answered gave me a different number to call, but when I called that number, they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. I asked for a missing persons or a cold case detective, they said that they don't have any such persons in their office. When I called back the original number, she suggested that I call 911.

:nevermind::sigh:

Earlier today, I called the Baltimore PD on a separate possible match, so if I hear back from them, I'll bring this case up, and maybe they will have a clue.

I realize the government across the board is suffering from budgetary constraints but if they put out a name and number as a contact person, the least they can do is assign a person who is responsible.

 

[CarlK90245]

I just spoke with Detective Mingle of the Baltimore PD. He says that he has been in contact with the Northampton County authorities regarding the possible match of this UID case to several Baltimore MP cases.

But when I asked if Telethia Good had ever been ruled out. He woudn't say whether she had or had not. He said something to the effect that his recollection was that there was some detail about her case that didn't seem to fit.

I asked if they had any identifiers on her, and mentioned that since she was adopted, they probably don't have DNA on her. He said that he did not know. I asked if there was anyone else whom I could call to get that information, and he said no, there was not. He says that he doesn't know if that information is still available, given that it is an old case.

I get the sense that she has not been positively ruled out, although he was unable (or unwilling) to say one way or the other.

 

[CarlK90245]

Message received from Clyde Gibbs:

So NCMEC is working this case. Just waiting for the Baltimore PD to move forward and getting this case into NamUs. But as you stated, doesn't appear to be a high priority for them at this time. But there are the missing person agencies working this case. Hope this helped.