NC NC - Sara Graham, 18, Fairmont, 4 February 2015 - #2

[borndem]

Originally posted by carbuff - Post #799 - snipped by borndem:

addendum: there was some speculation that she might have been planning to go to college in NC. But again, just speculation as far as I know.

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WRT college: The University of North Carolina at Pembroke is right there in Sara's new hometown. The tuition is very reasonable and the University offers the usual array of majors offered at most state colleges/universities.
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[razzledazzle]

It is probably not related, but I found this popped up on my local feed this morning. Rural area in SC within 30 minutes or so Robeson Co.
I'll try to find more...

http://www.wbtw.com/story/29042210/dillon-county-authorities-investigate-body-found-near-latta

Dillon County authorities investigate body found near Latta ... treating as homicide.

 

[FindHG]

Thank you, Han, for your continued work on this thread. Much appreciated.

Here's hoping for more information and news for Sara's family, friends and for all those who hold her dear.

 

[razzledazzle]

It is probably not related, but I found this popped up on my local feed this morning. Rural area in SC within 30 minutes or so Robeson Co.
I'll try to find more...

http://www.wbtw.com/story/29042210/dillon-county-authorities-investigate-body-found-near-latta

NOT RELATED This was a male.

 

[Yvettea]

MOO

If there was a reason that she felt like she had to leave anonymously -- I can't imagine one in this case, but hypothesizing there is one -- it would make sense if she met someone who gave her a ride (to public transportation, to another location), and she met them there and parked the van where it would be found and returned to her father.

You make some good points here and I agree there might be a 10% chance Sara left for some reason but I think it was with the help of her father and stepmother. Among my acquaintances I can't get any support for this theory but I still think it's a possibility if an attempt was made on her life or threatened. Did I ever tell you the rumor that the van was parked right up against the trees; you had exit from the passenger side. Just rumor.

ETA: a van left by the side of the road will generally be tagged as an abandoned vehicle and given 24 to 48 hours notice that the van will be towed if it isn't moved. We don't know how long deputies would've waited to check out the van in the field because they received an anonymous call (I don't believe it's been substantiated that it was an anonymous call.) around 10:30 to 12 reporting a suspicious vehicle.

Sara was going to be discovered missing by the end of work when she didn't come home. If it's true that her father and stepmother set up the vehicle site why would they set it up to be discovered earlier rather than later? Any ideas? By the way I really enjoyed the little burst of discussion we had.

 

[carbuff]

I don't believe she left on her own. Like you, I believe she had help. But the evidence doesn't rule out the possibility completely.

When I first started following the case, I thought that the van etc. had been set up so that somebody (hypothetical somebody) could make sure she was found missing without them being involved at all.

 

[Yvettea]

MOO

Original post snipped by me:

But the evidence doesn't rule out the possibility completely.

You said quite a mouthful here since the evidence rules out nothing. We've been shown no evidence. A young woman didn't report for work and her van was found, as the sheriff put it, parked in a field. The major said it was as though she had vanished; no evidence in the van, no evidence in the field, and no evidence in the surrounding fields and forests though acres and acres were searched. At least no evidence has been reported.

A few weeks later the sheriff belatedly reports her stepmother has been fired and he will not comment, as if to make her seem guilty by omission. One news outlet reports her firing is related and the others are conspicuously silent. The stepmother hasn't dignified the mess with comment. That's the sum of it, I believe other than to wonder why it all played the way it did. What were they looking for in all that searching?

When I first started following the case, I thought that the van etc. had been set up so that somebody (hypothetical somebody) could make sure she was found missing without them being involved at all.

Is this what you believe now, a set up to avoid their involvement?

 

[carbuff]

It's more of a gut feeling than a belief.

 

[Yvettea]

What about the person who called in about the van. The rumor is it was called in anonymously. Any gut feeling there? And who do you "feel" is trying to avoid involvement?

 

[carbuff]

I'm not convinced the possibly anonymous caller had anything to do with it. I think the van's location may have been chosen because it was a virtual certainty that someone would notice it and call it in.

As for who...tougher question. I initially thought a jealous current or ex-boyfriend, but there doesn't seem to be any such person in the picture. Not that we've heard about, anyway.

 

[oldwindow]

If you look at the total baloney article in #786 above you you will see that closure began on February 10, 2015. That's when Sara began to move from the "missing and possibly abducted" category to "simply left and forgot to tell anyone." In this article we hear it from the father but it was also reported from Sheriff Seally himself as well as Major Anthony Thompson. At the same time it was first expressed by all three men that there were doubts that she was still alive.

If you can create doubt in the public mind that the missing person is still alive and at the same time offer hope they have left on their own, the public will likely choose left on their own over dead. Now it becomes the responsibility of the missing to call home, come home because, "Just to hear that she's ok would be the greatest news I could ever get," said her father.

This is closure from RCSO just six days after Sara was gone. I believe any hope for real closure lies with the FBI.

All closure lyes with the Fbi now . Like I said before who ever did this was clean and very professional ,and maybe has done this before. I don't think this young woman left on her own will. I honestly think she was killed, it was planned perfectly..

Everything just perfect. In my mind its either a advanced serial killer in his/her highest form, or a very ,very good planner. Her computer erased, to me that is odd. If was I fbi I would go back to that computer and check for a file share on it, to see if it been connected to another computer.

 

[GigTu]

It is my opinion that:
They know who took Sara's life.
They're just waiting for the cold fish to make a mistake. However, I don't think that will ever happen.
Sara will not ever be seen again.

 

[oldwindow]

MOO


You make some good points here and I agree there might be a 10% chance Sara left for some reason but I think it was with the help of her father and stepmother. Among my acquaintances I can't get any support for this theory but I still think it's a possibility if an attempt was made on her life or threatened. Did I ever tell you the rumor that the van was parked right up against the trees; you had exit from the passenger side. Just rumor.

ETA: a van left by the side of the road will generally be tagged as an abandoned vehicle and given 24 to 48 hours notice that the van will be towed if it isn't moved. We don't know how long deputies would've waited to check out the van in the field because they received an anonymous call (I don't believe it's been substantiated that it was an anonymous call.) around 10:30 to 12 reporting a suspicious vehicle.

Sara was going to be discovered missing by the end of work when she didn't come home. If it's true that her father and stepmother set up the vehicle site why would they set it up to be discovered earlier rather than later? Any ideas? By the way I really enjoyed the little burst of discussion we had.

IM not saying they did ok.. this just is fictional opinion, not factual opinion im about to speak..

If they did help her and park her van in that area, they are on a timer. From my understanding cops are on 24/hours call and can go in at any hour for any reason, but pay hours are strict. What this does is destroy or cover any time limit that may occur( a alibi) backed with the fact your on the call. In my opinion on this thought of view, I think they would want that truck back.. the person who did this took the keys. how many sets are they for this car?.. Has the fbi took all keys for the truck. IN my mind No they haven't

Another thing no dirt in the car..

There no sign of false play because someone had keys or is just damn good at murder/kidnapping. Who ever called it in maybe was been there in a way.. IM just wondering along with this. If they think she is alive, , and run off who wrote the report of filled it.? If her father wasn't staying there with his daughter and new wife, )why didn't he take her with him? A Hotel is not reason she cant stay with him.. He makes very good money from what I see.

Its just too many people have a murder motive in this case, then the out side stranger motives make it worse. Its just really sad this whole thing. I do think the Fbi will solve it, I just think who didn't is real good . I see a a pattern aof a lot young females getting killed before their birthday and car . I truly feel if there guy/gal out there doing this. FBi I need to let the NC public know. Because he/she is in true form.

I think another young female was kid napped a few months before this young female was maybe a county over or 2. Never found

 

[Yvettea]

I'll check closely into what you say oldwindow. Thanks for writing so much.

 

[Dockins]

I think they know who was involved in Sarah's disappearance. The sheriff even commented on the RCSO fb page that he has heard the rumors. One theory of mine is that the firing of the stepmom was because she either refused or failed a polygraph. LE just cannot prove anything yet in court. I wish I still believed she ran away.

 

[Topcat]

MOO

Original post snipped by me:


You said quite a mouthful here since the evidence rules out nothing. We've been shown no evidence. A young woman didn't report for work and her van was found, as the sheriff put it, parked in a field. The major said it was as though she had vanished; no evidence in the van, no evidence in the field, and no evidence in the surrounding fields and forests though acres and acres were searched. At least no evidence has been reported.

A few weeks later the sheriff belatedly reports her stepmother has been fired and he will not comment, as if to make her seem guilty by omission. One news outlet reports her firing is related and the others are conspicuously silent. The stepmother hasn't dignified the mess with comment. That's the sum of it, I believe other than to wonder why it all played the way it did. What were they looking for in all that searching?


Is this what you believe now, a set up to avoid their involvement?

You summed it up pretty well...

 

[GigTu]

I think they know who was involved in Sarah's disappearance. The sheriff even commented on the RCSO fb page that he has heard the rumors. One theory of mine is that the firing of the stepmom was because she either refused or failed a polygraph. LE just cannot prove anything yet in court. I wish I still believed she ran away.

I agree with this, and have been in the camp that step mommy dearest and possibly dad had everything to do with Sara's disappearance since day 1.

I believe the van was placed where it was out of convenience. It would obviously be found eventually, and because it was so sterile I look straight straight to the professionals who know the ins and outs of these things. I think whomever just parked it in the cover of darkness, ran home, and went about their business.

If Sara was disappeared at the home, I will "assume" the FBI has had cadaver dogs out, and searched the surrounding yard. However, again, the professionals would know this was coming so would be prepared. Not sure how well it can be hidden, I just don't know.

IF Sara is alive, the talk of her being held captive either at an Indian reservation or some creepy guys bunker are worthy of investigating... but that darn sterile van just keeps creeping back into the picture, making scenarios such as those unlikely.

UNLESS she was sold.

And why was step mommy dearest fired? Why is the FBI hinting that they are looking at her as a suspect? The culprit is probably reading here, so when he/she sees this post I hope he/she feels dirty.

 

[oldwindow]

I agree with this, and have been in the camp that step mommy dearest and possibly dad had everything to do with Sara's disappearance since day 1.

I believe the van was placed where it was out of convenience. It would obviously be found eventually, and because it was so sterile I look straight straight to the professionals who know the ins and outs of these things. I think whomever just parked it in the cover of darkness, ran home, and went about their business.

If Sara was disappeared at the home, I will "assume" the FBI has had cadaver dogs out, and searched the surrounding yard. However, again, the professionals would know this was coming so would be prepared. Not sure how well it can be hidden, I just don't know.

IF Sara is alive, the talk of her being held captive either at an Indian reservation or some creepy guys bunker are worthy of investigating... but that darn sterile van just keeps creeping back into the picture, making scenarios such as those unlikely.

UNLESS she was sold.

And why was step mommy dearest fired? Why is the FBI hinting that they are looking at her as a suspect? The culprit is probably reading here, so when he/she sees this post I hope he/she feels dirty.

I dont think she even drove that morning. For starters it just 2 ways you can go, and if your driving you can see the tail/head lights for a very long way.. She may have been killed in another way maybe the same night ,she got home from work.

This makes a lot of good sense, in my mind because a outside person is sloppy somewhat. I'm just thinking back , the parent say they don't know her driving routine. I think that is highly false out right, but also true within the evidence of her van in the wrong direction. Now that does not spell murder or mean anything much for guilt.,

But to get a job to start someone had to take her to that Walmart and pick her up because she had no transportation.. No state license in NC she is new to it,Its take 15-30 days to get a ( DL) .She had the job in 3 months and she lived there for 6 months.. I think the dmv is in the same direction of her work.

In my mind she maybe as killed outside/ outback and moved, were I don't know? Because its not possible to wipe all finger prints from a car/van and they use it everyday. This takes a lot of real work, gloves or not .You just cant do that sitting in the woods with a mini vac and a can of pledge spray, this takes some good hours, she was dead for at least 5 hrs if we count the same day. If we count night time we have 12-13 hours. > So walking out the back of the van make sense. "No prints".. She has very long stringy hair ,so her hair should be in that car/van some where and in her room. The fact is someone cleaned the car/van before hand and her room.. .? what are the odds of that.

what le should do is go in the bathrooms and bed room in that house and pull up the sinks and tub to find hair. also her sneaker/shoes hair and scent.. find her bath towel. face cloth, underwear. Because she has to wash to go to work and fresh dress. Maybe they already have.? But don't know were to honestly look .

Time to get methodical. As matter of fact I think they just cease the whole house and search it for fouls play that doesn't mean or equal guilt., Innocent until proven guilty is the key here.. But Its been 3-4 months.. Her scent should be somewhere. But the ball got rolling in another direction ,killing her 24hr scent. To me thats a huge huge deal. That's the big deal in this case.
I don't buy her going to bus station r train station. to many cameras, tickets need id to be bought and names on them verified with ID.. Truckers have to go weight stations with police now , who search the trucks.

 

[alexwood]

Pretty pathetic they cant get the most important thing right, TIME Sara's been missing, 3, THREE months NOT 2, THREE!! My calendar shows 3(THREE) months, I had to triple check.( but what's time right? sarcasm)
Article says
Authorities are saying little about the search for the daughter of a Robeson County deputy sheriff who went missing two months ago.

Sara Nicole Graham, 18, was last seen Feb. 4 when she left her home in Fairmont about 6:30 a.m. for work at a Walmart store in Pembroke, Robeson County Sheriff Kenneth Sealey has said.

I just emailed Nancy McCleary at fayobserver.com and asked her to correct this egregious error in reporting. I did notice that the article was posted (05/04/2015 at 9:19 AM), and updated (05/04/2015 at 10:55 AM), on the same date -- yet no correction was made to the most glaring inaccuracy -- the length of time Sara had been missing from her date of disappearance (Wed., 02/04/2015) to the date the article was posted (05/04/2015). It was 13 weeks (or, three months and one week) that she had been missing as of 05/04/2015.

And another problem that we can do nothing about -- I question whether Sara was truly seen on the morning of Wed., 02/04/2015, at 6:30 AM, when she left her house. WHO EXACTLY SAW HER leave home that morning? Was it: (a) Dad (Sgt. Hubert Graham, Robeson County Sheriff's Office ); (b) Step-Mom (Connie Graham, formerly of RCSO, before her dismissal and designation as a "suspect" in the disappearance of her Step-Daughter, Sara Graham); (c) both; or (d) neither? Well, it certainly WAS NOT Sheriff Sealey, who seems to be the only one with any knowledge to impart with regard to Sara's "disappearance." Where did he get his information?

 

[TMAN2014]

All closure lyes with the Fbi now . Like I said before who ever did this was clean and very professional ,and maybe has done this before. I don't think this young woman left on her own will. I honestly think she was killed, it was planned perfectly..

Everything just perfect. In my mind its either a advanced serial killer in his/her highest form, or a very ,very good planner. Her computer erased, to me that is odd. If was I fbi I would go back to that computer and check for a file share on it, to see if it been connected to another computer.

Or the simpler answer is there is no advanced serial killer in the middle of some farm in North Carolina. Now, who is the next obvious person who could plan a possible murder? My first guess is a member of law enforcement, who knows all the ins and outs of investigations.

Her computer was erased? Well, who is the most likely candidate to do that? It isn't some stranger.

I think we are just waiting on how LE can solve this case with the evidence.

As far as I see, there is only one direction to look.