NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #13

[kellync]

not chewin Bobbisangel, promise. Just sad

 

[Muffet]

Just for anyone who missed it or wants to review it, here's Shaniya's Aunt Carey's statement from the presser today.

Maybe it's just me, but of all the people in this case, I feel most for her. She was undoubtedly closest to Shaniya of all the family, and her sense of loss, horror, and lack of control appears to be profound.

I also thought there was a lot of information to be gleaned from her words and between the lines about the dynamics that led to this and that we see unfolding now.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flPBRlBYmTU"]YouTube- Shaniya Davis: Brad Lockhart Press Conf. 11/17/09 - 2[/ame]

 

[lemonmoussetart]

I concur---bigtime! Bobbi

 

[lemonmoussetart]

thank you Quiet

 

[lemonmoussetart]

OMG---heart wrenching for Aunt Carey aka Mother. Heart is breaking for that woman.
Thanks Muffet

 

[lemonmoussetart]

Distraught to the Nth degree, and let Son answer ??? But, He IS there. Yeppers, not to say that Father is not for real, but c'mon now? We all grieve in different ways, but the laying of hands on Dad, GMAB. Too much! Maybe also flamed too, don't really care. Have to have people 'hold him up', but he CAN go on and on and on...

 

[Charlie09]

My daily two cents here:

The oversized diaper - I wonder if AD just snagged some from work. She would have access to small adult sized diapers as a health care worker at a retirement center.

I think that we would like to ignore the race issues, but I truly believe there are race issues between the grandparents of his older children and Brad. I feel like everyone naysaying how they knew it was a bad environment ought to be pointing their fingers right back at themselves for not driving over and standing on their heads till the police arrived. I do however, understand how the aunt wouldn't have felt safe enough to do it, and had no legal recourse in the custody issue.

I don't think he's ever claimed to be a perfect parent. I think there are more than a few of us, that if our whole lives were to be sleuthed and laid out for the world to see would be nothing short of mortified. That doesn't mean we haven't done the best we know how to provide for our kids. I think he was short sighted, but I really don't think he had ANY idea of how bad it was. He's a big guy - I would think he would think they would be too afraid of him to do anything "really" bad.

If B the oldest son is 20. Brad was only 18 or 19 when he was born 17 or 18 when conceived. His wife I believe was a year younger...there's 20 years of potential bad feelings from the grandparents -

I think the 17 year old sister is fairly sheltered, and maybe a little on the privileged side - raised by dotting grandparents with a festering dislike of her dad. But I don't think she had ANY clue of what we know or suspect here. She has overheard a lot in the past week or so, I just don't think the gravity besides her sister was killed has hit her yet. (And may it not for years and years to come.) I think she's in shock.

Finally - no one really knows how they would react if they were in Brad's position (that's not true, there are a few here, who know how he feels). I don't think I could breathe, I would want to die! I'm not completely comfortable with all of his decisions, statements, and there are definitely issues that make me take pause, but I just don't think we know enough yet to cast stones in his direction.


I think we are all crushed because we literally saw her being taken to her death, much like the girl (whose name escapes me now) in Florida @ the car wash.

 

[Norwegian]

I can't find the poster that says it's "strange" that dad is a redhead white guy and has 5 biracial kids?

What's so "strange" about that?

Maybe he has a thing for black women? I am and have always been extra attracted to black skin..

 

[lemonmoussetart]

lol
I'm sure you get that a lot. You're a fine-lookin' slice o' homemade, you are!

Just for anyone who missed it or wants to review it, here's Shaniya's Aunt Carey's statement from the presser today.

Maybe it's just me, but of all the people in this case, I feel most for her. She was undoubtedly closest to Shaniya of all the family, and her sense of loss, horror, and lack of control appears to be profound.

I also thought there was a lot of information to be gleaned from her words and between the lines about the dynamics that led to this and that we see unfolding now.

YouTube- Shaniya Davis: Brad Lockhart Press Conf. 11/17/09 - 2

My daily two cents here:

The oversized diaper - I wonder if AD just snagged some from work. She would have access to small adult sized diapers as a health care worker at a retirement center.

I think that we would like to ignore the race issues, but I truly believe there are race issues between the grandparents of his older children and Brad. I feel like everyone naysaying how they knew it was a bad environment ought to be pointing their fingers right back at themselves for not driving over and standing on their heads till the police arrived. I do however, understand how the aunt wouldn't have felt safe enough to do it, and had no legal recourse in the custody issue.

I don't think he's ever claimed to be a perfect parent. I think there are more than a few of us, that if our whole lives were to be sleuthed and laid out for the world to see would be nothing short of mortified. That doesn't mean we haven't done the best we know how to provide for our kids. I think he was short sighted, but I really don't think he had ANY idea of how bad it was. He's a big guy - I would think he would think they would be too afraid of him to do anything "really" bad.

If B the oldest son is 20. Brad was only 18 or 19 when he was born 17 or 18 when conceived. His wife I believe was a year younger...there's 20 years of potential bad feelings from the grandparents -

I think the 17 year old sister is fairly sheltered, and maybe a little on the privileged side - raised by dotting grandparents with a festering dislike of her dad. But I don't think she had ANY clue of what we know or suspect here. She has overheard a lot in the past week or so, I just don't think the gravity besides her sister was killed has hit her yet. (And may it not for years and years to come.) I think she's in shock.

Finally - no one really knows how they would react if they were in Brad's position (that's not true, there are a few here, who know how he feels). I don't think I could breathe, I would want to die! I'm not completely comfortable with all of his decisions, statements, and there are definitely issues that make me take pause, but I just don't think we know enough yet to cast stones in his direction.


I think we are all crushed because we literally saw her being taken to her death, much like the girl (whose name escapes me now) in Florida @ the car wash.

Charlie---I think you are a man. A true MAN. You are weeping with us I know.

 

[Norwegian]

And also, please stop putting blame on father, aunt, siblings etc. And please leave the fiance out... To blame the fiance as to why Shaniya was sent to mom is to take a cliched short cut.

LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after.

Please people, this man did not ask to have his whole past on blast here... this case is about Shaniya and what has happened to her!

 

[lemonmoussetart]

And also, please stop putting blame on father, aunt, siblings etc. And please leave the fiance out... To blame the fiance as to why Shaniya was sent to mom is to take a cliched short cut.

LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after.

Please people, this man did not ask to have his whole past on blast here... this case is about Shaniya and what has happened to her!

But he DID put it on here for all of us to read. It was well-spoken, and heartfelt IMO. Why would you say to someone who truly bared their soul?
Truly none of us are perfect. Charlie said it so profoundly. Why the scrutiny given the realm of what he said?

 

[lemonmoussetart]

From Norwegian: "LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after."

WTH does that actually mean?

 

[lemonmoussetart]

But he DID put it on here for all of us to read. It was well-spoken, and heartfelt IMO. Why would you say to someone who truly bared their soul?
Truly none of us are perfect. Charlie said it so profoundly. Why the scrutiny given the realm of what he said?

From Norwegian: "LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after."

WTH does that actually mean?

anybody?

 

[Norwegian]

From Norwegian: "LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after."

WTH does that actually mean?

I'm simply saying that a small decision can change everything after. And in this case it had a horrible outcome.

To take the easy route: the second you decided on which college to go to... that second has defined so much of your life after that!

 

[JulieR]

And this is the perfect example as to why we sleuth and ask questions. We should ask questions no matter how uncomfortable they are. Especially if stories aren't adding up!!!

No matter how many times someone tells me to, I will never ever ignore the big ole white elephant in the corner.

One of the first difficult lessons I learned in life is just because someone had something bad happen to them, that doesn't automatically make them a Saint, let alone a good person.

SuziQ, I always love your post.
I have pretty much stayed quiet about the father, but I have my thoughts. A real ticker for me was when they said yesterday after the video interview a memorial was being set up in Shaniya's name, no information what this fund is going to be used for and it was said shortly after the father talked about Shaniya running into his "BMW" with her bike. Maybe it's just me but I find it hard to stomach someone who has money setting up and asking for money in Shaniya's name.
I knew there would be more to come about him, just a feeling. While he had nothing to do with her death, he sure had the warning signs and people he could have turned to. Poor baby had no one to protect her.

 

[JulieR]

From Norwegian: "LIFE IS COMPLEX AND IT'S TWISTING AND TURNING NON-STOP. It's funny how an act of a second can change millions of acts after."

WTH does that actually mean?

LOL I am not going to touch that one.

 

[Norwegian]

SuziQ, I always love your post.
memorial was being set up in Shaniya's name, no information what this fund is going to be used for and it was said shortly after the father talked about Shaniya running into his "BMW" with her bike. Maybe it's just me but I find it hard to stomach someone who has money setting up and asking for money in Shaniya's name.

I agree that he should've said what the fund would be for, but I really think it will be for a good cause. Not a fund for personal use, but maybe to help other victims or an organization.

 

[JulieR]

I agree that he should've said what the fund would be for, but I really think it will be for a good cause. Not a fund for personal use, but maybe to help other victims or an organization.

Then that should have been said, I'm sorry I am really ticked off at the man right now!! After watching what his friend, father-in-law and daughter had to say I don't think this man had much to do with Shaniya's life besides fathering her, I think everyone else raised her and he made a really bad choice in letting her go with AD, knowing in the pasted Shaniya was being abused at her mothers hands and now he cries, what about the tears when she was being burned Grrrrr........this don't sit well with me at all. I need to walk away for awhile.

 

[mitzi]

I think some of the comments made by the folks there are pretty cold at this stage of the game. Going to stand by and reserve my opinion till all the facts come out. That said I think these folks, including Chyenne should not be judging Brad at this point for crissakes. Chyenne may have her own axe to grind, she is a teenager and until the investigation is concluded, all of those folks should keep their pusses off the tele and stop their speculation and keep their opinions to themselves...in the interest in truth and JUSTICE for Shaniya.

ETA: Brad said at his presser that Chyenne should not have been saying what she was saying what she said on NG so that that told me that there was some kind of separation in the camp. He may have not known that his daughter was going to appear on the show the same day that Shaniya's body was found, which I thought was bizzare my own self.

My first post on this thread...but have been trying to remain caught up...ya'll just move too fast for me. LOL

My question is why are none of Brad's children living with him? Aunt Carey did most of the raising of Shaniya. Custody of some was given to his late wife's parents, and now Cheyenne is living with TA, a friend of Brad. One of the comments on the article mentioned how Brad came out and kissed his 20 yr old son's head and then proceeded to sit next to him, on Nancy Grace's show tonight. I agree, it seemed like he was there only to make sure his son didn't say anything bad about him. As much as I'd like to give him the benefit of a doubt, if it is true about the cigarette burns on that baby, I do place some of the blame on the Dad. The different stories and dates that the family is putting out cause me to wonder also.

ETA: I did notice there were no tears from Dad or Aunt during the presser today. And none at the vigil from Dad. Throw tomatoes at me, but at the vigil, it seemed like bad acting to me.

I am a compassionate person, but my hink meter has been up from the beginning.

 

[LaLaw2000]

And this is the perfect example as to why we sleuth and ask questions. We should ask questions no matter how uncomfortable they are. Especially if stories aren't adding up!!!
No matter how many times someone tells me to, I will never ever ignore the big ole white elephant in the corner.

One of the first difficult lessons I learned in life is just because someone had something bad happen to them, that doesn't automatically make them a Saint, let alone a good personQUOTE]

Thank You, SuziQ!

I have not been posting for several days but have read every post. I have had a very apprehensive feeling for a couple of days now.
Just like you, I see that none of these stories are adding up.

Now MOO:

Even the Dad has a different story from the sister. And, frankly, I do not like what I am hearing about either of them. There is more to the story than they (Dad and Aunt) are admitting, IMO. That is NOT to say that either of them had anything to do with Shaniya's death - I know they did not. I do feel there was no due diligence for Shaniya's safety or she would not have been at that despicable egg donors trailer.

Shaniya is the victim here. She is the one who has suffered the ultimate. I am standing with Shaniya and my heartbreak is for her. I want the truth to be known for HER, no matter whose toes are stepped on.