NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #13

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Bobbisangel said:
I know that I'm going to get chewed up one end and down the other but I'm going to say what I'm feeling anyway...Chew away...Over the past two or so days Shaniya's father is making me uneasy. It started with the vigil. Tonight he came out while his older son was being interviewd by Nancy. The SON was the one being interviewed not the dad. The way the dad carried on over the son during the interview gave me a funny feeling...not quite real but showy. Then he sits down beside his son during the rest of the interview. I guess it bothers me when a grieving parent seems to be looking for attention. Now I will keep quiet and see how this all plays out but I honestly think that the mother isn't the only one who can put on the dog and fool people. I just have to add that the dad at the vigil in front of the camera really turned me off. For a minute I thought he was preaching a sermon.
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I agree with you, Bobbisangel.

I sat with my mouth hanging open when I saw the video of the vigil with the Dad. It did not even seem like the same man, and he even pronounced his words differently. I thought that he was on the verge of a breakdown.

Then we see him in the video of today and he seems to be an entirely different man. He speaks calmly and no accent like he had last night. It is almost as if he is two different people.

Then we have the NG show tonight and we see the behavior you have mentioned. I am very concerned about this. I do not think he had anything to do with Shaniya's death at all, but I do not like what I am seeing of him and the aunt right now. Conflicting stories. I just get the feeling that he and the aunt knew that Shaniya was not safe at her egg donors house and did not do enough to keep her safe. JMO.

Now everyone can be mad at me also. I just have a bad feeling that we will be hearing more that we do not like.

And please; no one come at me about how it must feel to lose a child. I know full well how it feels. I lost my only son in an accident - he was on a motorcycle coming to Thanksgiving dinner at home when a drunk driver hit him. That will be 10 years ago this Thanksgiving. I am well versed in grief.

Moo's
 
impatientredhead said:
Why would MAM tell the police the details about the supposed prostitution and the location of the body if he raped and killed her? But then be described as uncooperative by LE?

If he did kill her and lead them to her body why not do so cooperatively so it helps your case? If it is his DNA on the body why help them find it versus being able to say she was alive when you saw her last?

I can go on with a dozen questions that put him in a better situation legally, but to admit to taking her and help locate the body if you raped and killed her doesn't quite make sense to me.

His only leverage at this point is going to be outing a third party and burying momster... agreeing to testify in exchange kind of a thing.

Puzzled.
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me too. I know where u are coming from. It could be McNeill, telling them the location of the body like you say for leverage, it also could have been A for the same reason. I know Coe gave up Mc Neill, but I personally feel like he was set up in all this, so dont think he had any idea exactly what happened to Shanaiya.
 
LaLaw2000 said:
And please; no one come at me about how it must feel to lose a child. I know full well how it feels. I lost my only son in an accident - he was on a motorcycle coming to Thanksgiving dinner at home when a drunk driver hit him. That will be 10 years ago this Thanksgiving. I am well versed in grief.

Moo's
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I'm so sorry. My 24 year old brother died the exact same way earlier this year. He was a fantastic human being so I can understand why God wanted him.
 
I know this is horrible to say, but I wonder if Brad wasn't still using AD's services (sex) when he was in town and that is why he still had feelings for her.
 
LaLaw2000 said:
I agree with you, Bobbisangel.

I sat with my mouth hanging open when I saw the video of the vigil with the Dad. It did not even seem like the same man, and he even pronounced his words differently. I thought that he was on the verge of a breakdown.

Then we see him in the video of today and he seems to be an entirely different man. He speaks calmly and no accent like he had last night. It is almost as if he is two different people.

Then we have the NG show tonight and we see the behavior you have mentioned. I am very concerned about this. I do not think he had anything to do with Shaniya's death at all, but I do not like what I am seeing of him and the aunt right now. Conflicting stories. I just get the feeling that he and the aunt knew that Shaniya was not safe at her egg donors house and did not do enough to keep her safe. JMO.

Now everyone can be mad at me also. I just have a bad feeling that we will be hearing more that we do not like.

And please; no one come at me about how it must feel to lose a child. I know full well how it feels. I lost my only son in an accident - he was on a motorcycle coming to Thanksgiving dinner at home when a drunk driver hit him. That will be 10 years ago this Thanksgiving. I am well versed in grief.

Moo's
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{{{LaLaw}}}

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

ITA with you and snipped from the above article:

"I believe he is 99 percent the reason this happened in the first place," family friend Timothy Allen said. "And he came to me and he was like I'm going to let Shaniya go stay with her mom basically she needs to learn how to be a mom."

The Allen's have taken care of Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter Cheyenne Lockhart after they say he kicked her out on the streets.

Myrna Allen says during a recent visit to her home she noticed scars on her arms and asked the 5-year-old what happened.

"She says 'cigarette' and then I said 'from where,' she said 'my momma's friends,' and I said 'they were burning you with butts,' and she said 'some times'," Myrna Allen said.

Lockhart's former father-in-law, Byron Coleman, offered to take care of Shaniya, but says he was turned down too.

"He put the child in that position," Coleman said. "He knew the mother was doing drugs there. He knew that people she associated with was drug people."

Lockhart called the allegations speculation and said he wasn't going to talk about it.

"This isn't about Brad or Antoinette or Mr. McNeill, this about Shaniya and the memory of a beautiful lady, a beautiful angel," he said.
If Lockhart wasn't worried about his daughter's safety at the time, his sister said she was.

"I worried about her just as if she was mine," Carey Lockhart-Davis said. "Antionette and I never really got along because I felt as if the way she neglected her children."

And Cheyenne Lockhart says her father wasn't in either of their lives that much.

"I understand he did love her, but he wasn't always in her life," she said. "She was raised by ex-girlfriends, another child's mother in Florida; I mean other people raised her."

ME-One thing that Brad has said is calling Shaniya "a lady". He has done this twice. I'm sorry, but Shaniya is no closer to being a lady than I am to being a newborn! She was a beautiful, young child! This guy is just really rubbing me the wrong way.
 
I am trying to keep up with this case but I have been caught up with the Elizabeth Olten Case and Jayme Sue Austin Case. I have some questions and some opinions I would like feedback on.

I am confused on the circumstances on what the actual arrangements were with AD and the Aunt/Father? I have read that she was "living" there, but then I read that she was supposed to be returned to Dad on Nov.1 which did not happen so then he was coming to get her the day after the 911 call. If that is what it was why is the term "living" with being used? I have not heard that term used before when a child goes to stay at the non-custodial parents house for a short duration of time. Even when in reference to children that stay with non-custodial during the entire summer break. In my experience it has always been referred to as "visitation". So in this case the correct statement would be, Shaniya was at AD house for a 2 week visitation.

Secondly, I have to wonder why Shaniya went at the time she did. She was in school or at least preschool so why in October rather than during the summer? Pulling a child out of an educational program for 2-3 weeks would be very detrimental to the learning experience at such a young age.

Third, Aunt dropped her off and all I have seen about the return is that AD did not return Shaniya on Nov 1 as they had agreed. Do we know what was supposed to happen for that? When Shaniya was not returned on the agreed to date why did it take Dad/Aunt 9 days to make alternate arrangements? Especially if I was the Aunt and had seen the awful conditions they were living in. I never would have left her in the first place. If it were me I would have been there as quick as I could travel and not give AD warning that I was coming so that she couldn't take the child to hide, let alone the more evil purpose that AD had in mind. Once my trust was breached with the failed return I would have gone in fast and hard to retrieve my child. I would treat the failed return as a refusal of return and had LE with me to get her back. IDK maybe that is just what me and the people I know and associate with would do.

It just strikes me as really odd that Dad and Aunt would give so much trust to AD for the first visit when there had not been any interest in the past. To hear the Aunt/Dad talk AD was little more than an acquaintance to Shaniya. If it were me the visit would be for a few hours a day for a couple of days. I would be staying in the area at a hotel and drop Shaniya off and pick her up each night to go back to the hotel to sleep with me. Those would be the arrangements for quite a few visits until Shaniya knew AD and I was comfortable with the situation and the level of care provided. After time I may start to allow an over night stay but would still be close.
 
mitzi said:
{{{LaLaw}}}

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

ITA with you and snipped from the above article:

"I believe he is 99 percent the reason this happened in the first place," family friend Timothy Allen said. "And he came to me and he was like I'm going to let Shaniya go stay with her mom basically she needs to learn how to be a mom."

The Allen's have taken care of Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter Cheyenne Lockhart after they say he kicked her out on the streets.

Myrna Allen says during a recent visit to her home she noticed scars on her arms and asked the 5-year-old what happened.

"She says 'cigarette' and then I said 'from where,' she said 'my momma's friends,' and I said 'they were burning you with butts,' and she said 'some times'," Myrna Allen said.

Lockhart's former father-in-law, Byron Coleman, offered to take care of Shaniya, but says he was turned down too.

"He put the child in that position," Coleman said. "He knew the mother was doing drugs there. He knew that people she associated with was drug people."

Lockhart called the allegations speculation and said he wasn't going to talk about it.

"This isn't about Brad or Antoinette or Mr. McNeill, this about Shaniya and the memory of a beautiful lady, a beautiful angel," he said.
If Lockhart wasn't worried about his daughter's safety at the time, his sister said she was.

"I worried about her just as if she was mine," Carey Lockhart-Davis said. "Antionette and I never really got along because I felt as if the way she neglected her children."

And Cheyenne Lockhart says her father wasn't in either of their lives that much.

"I understand he did love her, but he wasn't always in her life," she said. "She was raised by ex-girlfriends, another child's mother in Florida; I mean other people raised her."

ME-One thing that Brad has said is calling Shaniya "a lady". He has done this twice. I'm sorry, but Shaniya is no closer to being a lady than I am to being a newborn! She was a beautiful, young child! This guy is just really rubbing me the wrong way.
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I seen the video, and for the first time...I am at a lost with all of this..
I'm angry now!:banghead:
 
The pics from the hotel are very disturbing to me because to me it appears that Shaniya was comfortable with MAM. She was calm and appears to be watching the floor lights at the top of the elevator doors. That leads me to think that she was drugged, knew MAM and trusted him or was already very well groomed and wasn't scared about what was to come.
 
I think MAM had a connection with an employee at the hotel. Of course just speculating. I also feel the video is of him going down in the elevator rather than up, and think he was on the 3rd floor. Could the 60 year old man be the night auditor at the hotel or the person who comes in to set up the breakfast area? Someone MAM knows in housekeeping? The front desk employee would not go on duty until 7:00 AM. IDK, but I think MAM knows someone at that hotel. MAM came into the hotel with Shaniya while the night auditor was on duty and left after the front desk employee would be on duty. I just do not think he actually checked into the hotel.

Usually the hotel will fill up from the ground up, and was probably not full that night. IMO, MAM went to the 3rd floor and no one would have heard Shaniya scream or cry if there were no other guests on that floor. I am betting MAM did not check into that hotel. When he came out of the hotel with Shaniya, the front desk person would have been on duty and I am thinking that is who had alerted LE of having seen he and Shaniya leaving.

It looks to me as if Shaniya's nose is broken in the hotel still pic. Someone on here had blown the pic up and her nose looks flat and broken.

There is so much more than we know to what happened to Shaniya, IMO. I can hardly wait until the PC today to see if first degree murder charges have been added to both MAM and AD.

GB Shaniya and those who did love her.
 
Norwegian said:
I'm so sorry. My 24 year old brother died the exact same way earlier this year. He was a fantastic human being so I can understand why God wanted him.
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I am so sorry, Norwegian. I understand because my son was a great guy also.
GB you and your family.
 
From the day Shaniya went missing, I have truly felt so terrible for this father. I have cried, cried and cried some more over the hurt he must be feeling.

Right now, I don't know why exactly all his children are living with other people, and don't know why these other people felt compelled to offer Shaniya a home, but I am going to assume to myself that these other people feared what would happen to this child if she went to her mother.
I don't know how long ago Shaniya was telling other family members that she was burned by her mother's friends while she was there, but do know for the most part that when a child that age says what happened, you can almost bet she was being very truthful about it..

Now, I may get tomatoes thrown at me today, and I'll gladly take them knowing that not only did this father make one bad decision of allowing Shaniya to go to her mother, but he knew the potential of danger that was in that home (being burned by cigarettes), and I am sorry, when you have a grown man who has taken in your son and still thinks of you as a good friend whom is so angry right now and has no sympathy...there is ton more that we don't know. The people raising Cheyenne offered to take Shaniya and dad would have no part of it..His former father in law offered the same. I don't believe for one second that these people are lying about this given the fact that they are raising his other children.
I am livid over this.
I pray to God that the only reason Aunt Carey doesn't have Shaniya right now is because Dad refused her too, otherwise, I think I will have to leave this case for good today..I don't think I could take much more knowing that so many people tried to prevent bad things from happening to Shaniya, fearing it if she went to her Mother.

I have been on Dad's side from day 1, yet on day 11, he has lost my support.
 
MDATCA said:
The pics from the hotel are very disturbing to me because to me it appears that Shaniya was comfortable with MAM. She was calm and appears to be watching the floor lights at the top of the elevator doors. That leads me to think that she was drugged, knew MAM and trusted him or was already very well groomed and wasn't scared about what was to come.
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Well, maybe the 🤬🤬🤬 MAM was telling her he was taking her to her Dad or Aunt. She may have even been drugged.

JMO
 
mydailyopinions, I do not cry easily, but I cried when I saw the 'elevator pic'. I cried when we heard her little body was found. My tears are for Shaniya and no one else. This poor child was not protected.
 
LaLaw2000 said:
mydailyopinions, I do not cry easily, but I cried when I saw the 'elevator pic'. I cried when we heard her little body was found. My tears are for Shaniya and no one else. This poor child was not protected.
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I agree..I cried for her as well, but now, I cry harder knowing that it wasn't just a simple mistake on the dad's part..He knew the dangers, others did as well, and right now had he allowed any of the others to take her, she would be smiling today..

My grief today has turned to anger.
 
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