NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #16

[southernvagirl]

I do not live in what is perceived to be a good area. As a result I need to be ever vigilant with my children. I live in a financially poor household in a neighborhood that is known for having a crack house on every other corner. If I had my druthers I would live in a better home/neighborhood. I have even several years ago been in a situation where I had no gas service (could not afford to pay the bill and it was disconnected). I used electric space heaters for warmth, a crockpot, a microwave and a one burner hot plate for cooking. Was I a bad parent? No. I was a dirt poor parent. My children were housed in a clean home (not counting toy clutter). They were fed nutritious hot food, they were clean and presentable. Is it harder for parents in that position to be "good" parents? you betcha. Is it impossible? No way.

Even "bad" neighborhoods don't mean bad people or parents. I have cultivated my neighborhood. The other mothers on the block who wan't the best for their children and I work together to be the village and support team to help one another. Is our neighborhood as safe as it could be? Nope. Are my children safe? Yep, that is my full time job, making sure of it.

The only "good" years of my youth , off and on,,was spent at my grandmother's house, a God fearing woman, bless her soul,there was no central heating nor ac..My father was suppose to send her $15.00 ( I cant remember if it was per month or week),,,he never did. The only food we ate was what my grandmother grew in her garden, and then canned for the winter..Uncles would bring their squirrel kill by,,,YUK...or fish they caught,,,,we lived in part of shanty town, Grandma would get at at 3 or 4 am to get the coal stove going in the kitchen so I didnt have to dress in the freezing cold before school. My father had remarried and had "another" family, just down the road.....Unfortunately, for me, she had a daughter exactly my age.......Barbra Jean would wear the best clothes to school while I had to wear something from Woolworth or Ben Franklin.....That was MY father not hers ..I know what it is like to have a neglectful father,,,he lived in a very nice house, and yes,,,I still carry that baggage to this day...........BL had a choice and there is no way in h3ll, he sent that baby to momster, so she could be a mom,,,no way...I doubt if we ever hear the real reason,,,,but from my experience and OMO,,it was for very selfish reasons,,,,and I hope he does better with the children he has now,,,,,He still could have a relationship with them now if he wanted to,,,,,,,,,I hope he realizes he has a second chance to realize after this life altering situation,,,that his other kids need a father,,,,but I really think he is all about himself and his own needs to reach out to them...Sure he is doing this now,,,when the cameras are rolling.......He didn't before though did he???..I know his kind and that makes me sick to my stomach that little Shanyia didn't have to go to her death.......He knew exactly where he was sending her,,,,,,,so did the Aunt,,,I don't get it,,,how could this have happened, with so many knowing the possiblities.....I have a feeling when the ME comes out with the autopsy,,,,,there will be even more shock.

 

[not_my_kids]

Does anyone have the link where the daughter C says her father kicked her out last year?

I want that to post along with the media statement that court docs show that the grandparents have custody of all children between the now dead wife and Bradley...

How could Bradley have kicked her out last year if he hasn't had custody since 2007? Wouldn't that be sending her home, not kicking her out?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Again, being a local who drives by that hotel every day to work, my co-workers and I were immediately perplexed when we heard this because I guess you can say that it is the "nicest" hotel in Sanford because it quite literally just opened within the past 4 months or so. There truly are some "notels" in the area that I'm certain you can rent by the hour. So why take her that one of all places??? I just can't wrap my head around that one.

Now here is something that is STRICTLY HERESAY/RUMOR. One of my co-worker's brother-in-law is a local detective that was assisting. On Sunday, I was at this co-worker's house - she lives within a mile of the site and across from the EMT station - and her brother-in-law had only said that they had received a "credible tip to search that area". So Monday comes and the same co-worker's husband calls and tells her that they are across the road from their house searching a new home construction site. Then her aunt calls who has a sister-in-law who works on the EMT squad and the rumor was that MAM had confessed that he killed her but he was so "messed up" (i.e. high) that he couldn't remember where he had left her. All he could remember was red clay and a port-o-john and there was indeed red dirt on his vehicle. Well, Lee County is renowned for it's pottery so guess what was at the construction site? Tons of red clay and a port-o-john. Again, STRICTLY he said/she said stuff but if you want some of the local rumors, there you go....

Could you maybe get us a picture of the elevator? From the picture I saw of the hotel you would not have to go through a lobby to do that.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm talking about prioritizing. I never asked or told anyone to not discuss it. I was stating my opinion, and if you don't like it, that's your prerogative. If you prefer to dig into the pasts of everyone other than those responsible for selling, raping, and murdering Shaniya Davis then do so. I still have my own opinion.

We are all welcome to our opinions. You did state it should be done afterwards, I got the impression that you meant that the rest of us were wrong for pursuing dad now. And that was what I was responding to and pointing out why it shouldn't wait till afterwards. I apologize if I misunderstood you.

And, wouldn't the person who put Shaniya in that position of being sold, raped, and murdered bear some responsibility as well? How Shaniya got to where she ended up is a priority for me, even though many don't feel that way.

 

[songline]

I do find the "stolen computer' very chilling...
too bad they didn't go to all his family/hangouts and get that quickly before the
"break in"..I bet it is smashed up and at the bottom of some water or a landfill or ??

Today it is so easy to take pictures...digital camera...cell phone

I don't like to speculate too much but I do wonder if the hotel was chosen as a backdrop for pics?? Maybe MAM thought he could make more $$ from this that way??

I also think they need to try to find the "buyer"...who rented the hotel room
who was in contact..

of course...hopefully LE is doing all these things?

To locate the buyer is one thing, but to locate someone who registered in that room I THINK may be hard.
I believe there was an inside guy in the hotel, someone who may have been at the reservations perhaps and knew not to rent that specific room to any other customer.
I think MAM knew where the cameras are in the hotel and was seen on camera one time with a live child for his own defense. But I would not be surprised if that Hotel is in use for sordid things more often.

 

[essies]

:waitasec: BUT, Dad wasn't aware that Shaniya was taken out of school based on his press conference.

This is one of the things that drive me crazy about this case!! Aunt C was a person to contact on the school records-that's why police came to her residence while she is on the phone with BL! It seems there was no actual custody papers drawn up-so was AD listed at school as a parent? Did she have the authority to pull Shaniya out of school? Could she alone "withdraw" Shaniya without BL's permission? I think the school along with sooo many others dropped the ball and bottom line-this angel didn't have to die!!:furious:

 

[ella971]

Just wait until you hear Oprah's voice/dialect as the princess in Disney's new, unreleased, "Princess and the Frog".

[Without sounding racist, yes, the frog is green.]

I'm from N.J. live in N.C. spent every summer of my life in the country. My father is Italian. My best friend is from Brooklyn. I'm not sure what I speak. I wonder if they have a name for it?

 

[tiredblondy]

Can someone please give me their interpretation of C, the older daughter of Bradley?

I may have to rethink some things, there are holes turning up in her story.

I think she is a teenager. She refused to live by Dad's rules so she went to live with someone else. After watching her on tv in interviews I don't think she has a clue what Shaniya went through. I especially do not think she knows what happened as she was not around the family at the time.
MOO

 

[essies]

Does anyone have the link where the daughter C says her father kicked her out last year?

I want that to post along with the media statement that court docs show that the grandparents have custody of all children between the now dead wife and Bradley...

How could Bradley have kicked her out last year if he hasn't had custody since 2007? Wouldn't that be sending her home, not kicking her out?

And she didn't go home to her grandparents-she went to live with a familly friend and his wife!!

 

[Patty G]

Does anyone have the link where the daughter C says her father kicked her out last year?

I want that to post along with the media statement that court docs show that the grandparents have custody of all children between the now dead wife and Bradley...

How could Bradley have kicked her out last year if he hasn't had custody since 2007? Wouldn't that be sending her home, not kicking her out?

I have this statement:
The Allen's have taken care of Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter Cheyenne Lockhart after they say he kicked her out on the streets.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

 

[tiredblondy]

I'm from N.J. live in N.C. spent every summer of my life in the country. My father is Italian. My best friend is from Brooklyn. I'm not sure what I speak. I wonder if they have a name for it?

You speak American!!!:angel:

 

[not_my_kids]

I think that there was a major custody battle, 9 years to be exact. That may cast more light on why the statements of burns and such. I think I'll lay off on defending or attacking or questioning, and wait quietly for the autopsy. That will tell, without prejudice.

The discrepancy in C's statement is enough for me to see that some of what we are hearing may be the seedier side of custody fights.

 

[Amity]

NO...we don't know that...it looks as if it may have been last years

some reports the dad himself says Oct 9th
some say Oct 10th
aunt said Oct 31

What is it with these supposidly loving parents who 'forget'/'can't quite remember' the last day they LAST saw their children?
ie; the Anthonys seemed to also have a hard time remembering the exact date they last saw Caylee.

And while I'm on a rant......

The frickin' "Foundations" !

We had a very low-income family two blocks away lose two of their children.
Children were all walking to school together, waiting at the corner of a very busy street to cross.
The light turned green, two kids who stepped off the curb first got hit and thrown many feet by a driver making a right-hand turn against a red light.

A fourth and fifth grader leading the way for their second grade sister (still on the curb) who was unharmed, physically.

Once the word got out, the whole community came together to help this family.....community set up a car wash, community set up a fund at Rose Hills to pay for burial plots, etc.

It wasn't the family of the dead children that set any of this up, it was the community that came together on their own because we were all so torn up about a family, a good, law-abiding, community-active, loving family loosing two of their children.

I drive by the family's home several times a week and I see them in the market a couple times a month.
They don't drive fancier cars, they don't wear nicer clothes......in other words, this family did not benefit from the deaths of their children.

It must be the new 'designer' way......lose a child, set up a fund, benefit long-term from loss of child. :furious:

 

[songline]

Could you maybe get us a picture of the elevator? From the picture I saw of the hotel you would not have to go through a lobby to do that.

there you go....
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[Patty G]

Mean no harm, but right now there's no new info and we all are just speculating. We've been talking about the exact same stuff for 48 pages now!

Maybe we should relax a little?

Sometimes it does appear as though we are going over the same stuff over and over again. However, there are thousands of members at WS and they come to the forums at different times to read and ask questions or speculate along with the rest of the group.

We all see things differently, which actually makes us unique because if someone sees it one way and someone adds something, "little red lights" go off.

 

[not_my_kids]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

Thank you PattyG.
We have the above link where C was kicked out on the street last year, 2008.


The Colemans and Brad Lockhart have been on opposing sides in several lawsuits in recent years, most of which were dismissed. A case filed in 1998 resulted in the Colemans being granted custody of their grandchildren and child support in 2007, according to court files.
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110

And then there is this statement. Custody given to the grandparents in 2007.

Bradley couldn't have kicked her out, he had no custody. You can't kick out a person that you have no custody over, it's called sending them home....

I think some of the prolonged abuse allegations may be laid to rest by the autopsy. I am going to sit on my hands until then.

 

[southernvagirl]

I wonder how a little kid feels with revolving gf/bfs in their parents life? Especially, if the gf/bf is a live in? Heck, I get upset when my son breaks up with a current gf! They didn't even live together....

Excellant post Amster,,,the child grows up with insecurities,,in every aspect of their lives......I know. That is,,,,, if they live through it all.

 

[lishac23]

It's looking like the father has a history of "throwing" away (and in a sense punishing) hs children for some disobedience?

1- Shaniya had a fight with cousins so...off to the mom with her

2- the older sister (17) was kicked out of the house by the dad for some reason and was living with someone else.

3- the older brother (who was on NG) said he did not live at home either but was living in Charlotte. What's up with that? And by the way, this older brother did not seem pleased or comforted by his father coming up behind him and kissing his head and wrapping his arms around him. There was no sign of affection returned by him to the father. I am assuming that this boy's mother is the one who was shot and killed - were they living with the father (Brad) at that time or were they thrown out too?

How many other kids does the father have? do they live at home? are they all bi-racial? There is something not right here.

I can agree with a lot of posters that the Dad made a really bad decision. I can't agree that he just "threw" her away for selfish reasons. She was already staying with her Aunt the majority of the time while he was out of state, so she really wasn't an "interference". He could have easily left her with his sister. From what I understand, he was not aware of the things that were going on in that trailer (I agree he should have looked in to it) and that no one contacted him regarding any maltreatment. It wasn't until he went out of town for work, was Shaniya pulled out of school. BL claimed that she was working and had her own place, however only the sister and her children were listed on the lease. It's possible that he thought that she lived somewhere else. THE AUNT (not blaming...staing a fact) was the one that dropped her off.

Shaniya wasn't sent off because of the fight. The Aunt called or was called by the monster and told that she would never see her again, because she (THE AUNT) punished Shaniya for fighting with her cousins. Apparently the Momster didn't want her going back to the Aunt because she had punished her...go figure.

After his first wife was killed, I believe the children did live with their father (AD was their babysitter) at some point (maybe when he began sleeping with the sitter) the grandparents went to court and got custody. This is still speculation but at some point the children did go live with the grandparents. According to both older children, they knew SHaniya well and spent significant time with her. I can't imagine that if the Dad had thrown his children away, didn't spend time with them, or care for them, that this would be possible.

Lastly, I know I've ranted for awhile, but as a bi-racial person I took offense to the bi-racial question. Does it matter if all of his children are bi-racial? What is the significance of what race they are?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

there you go....
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The reason I want a picture of it is because of that picture LOL I want to see what that number is for sure.

 

[Patty G]

I would be happy to post the video where C was on Nancy's show if someone can recall the date for me.