NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #23

[Baznme]

I want to know if the feces was Shaniya's or was just a byproduct of a home with no working sewage facilities.
If it was hers, then was she cleaned up at the house before she was taken to the hotel, or was she cleaned up somewhere on the way?
I find it hard to believe that someone could get a half clothed, shoeless, disheveled, feces streaked child into a hotel at a quarter after six in the morning and not have the alarm immediately go out.

NMK: This is my analogy of what may have happened. I'd like to see a picture of the back porch if anyone has one. If there were feces on the back porch and railing, I want to know if that is what was on the blanket they found in the trash. Same or different? Hate to sound gross but it is what it is. It would certainly indicate to me that she was in the back of the MH, not the front. He cleaned her up with the blanket as much as possible before putting her in the car. Who takes the time to do that if they're in the process of kidnapping?

Also, if AD DID actually gave permission for him to take her, that would be why she was on the back porch to begin with. I noticed she stated on the 911 call that she hadn't checked "in the back yet". Why? Because she knew she wasn't there but she knew that's where she was and knew of the mess on the back porch. Play dumb and maybe I don't have to explain?

Not likely he sets up a time at 5:30 in the morning to do this with permission. He was already there. If he took her to the hotel, why? If he admits this, why? What did he give as his reason? Why kill her if all he wanted was his kicks and AD knew about it?

In short, I think he was there all night. He took her because what he had been doing at the MH wasn't enough for him. He took her out in the wee hours of the morning and intended to kill her when he left. AD didn't realize this much. I don't think AD wanted to admit she knew this guy and he had stayed there the night that "Coe" wasn't there. Ad knew this yet, she threw Coe under the bus.

She didnt' want McNeil's presence to get out. Was that more important to her than finding Shaniya? I think she just figured she'd "turn up". There is one more adult in the MH that HAD to have known what was going on, possibly more than one. That's where I think we'll see more charges. BTW: Forensic science should be able to tell us who's DNA is on that porch and railing.

Added by Charleston Gal: I agree with you completely - to a point. I DO think AD was involved with MAM taking her. I believe at that point Shaniya was already injured badly "down there" and AD realized she had to go. She gave MAM 90 minutes head start and called the cops. She had to. Others in the trailer (her 7 year old son for instance) would have noticed Shaniya gone when they woke up. MAM didn't what the hell to do so in his genius mind he decides to clean the evidence off Shaniya's body at the hotel (where else would he take her - a friend's house????). He leaves, kills her immediately, and leaves her body beside the road. IMO.
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I believe LE's theory is very similiar and we should know soon.

 

[Norwegian]

BL coming up in The Today Show

Thank you for that information! Finally something new!

 

[jamiect]

BL Today Show Interview


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34124816#34124816

 

[ella971]

He seemed so calm.

 

[Patty G]

He has a lawyer? Oh my ...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

BL Today Show Interview


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34124816#34124816

Very respectful interview. I think BL answered a few of my questions I had. Made sense to me.

What struck me was when asked if he ever thought AD was capable of doing something like this he said his heart didn't think so but now he assumes she could because that appears to be what happened (not exact words)

 

[ella971]

Again...........He said call me every night..........what happened to those calls???????

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I would have a lawyer too. This is a very complex situation.
I think the lawyer is there to look about BL's best interests in a lot of things.
I don't think he is a "defense attorney".

 

[Sgirl]

I don't think this was a routine thing, and I don't think AD shopped her out around town. After all, as much as we immerse ourselves in the cases here, I'm not sure that AD or MAM or anyone else had the connections or the marketing skills to enslave Shaniya. Did they even have internet access? I think AD was a monster who got caught in her first foray into this "business" and MAM might have raped kids before. I honestly think both of them were drugged out of their minds when they hatched this plan and that AD has a monstrous hell waiting for her when her mind clears. I wish pain and misery and eternal suffering on both of them.

I just don't think this was an enterprise. I think it was two sick, drugged-up freaks. One in jam, one a depraved pedo. My gut is that the deal was made in the early morning hours and Shaniya was dead by 8am that day. I refuse to give them credit for anything more organized than that.

I think that she was being sexually abused well before that night. When her brother gave the interview he made it a point to mention that she wasn't comfortable around men. Twice IIRC. Plus, someone WAY back mentioned that cigarette burns and sexual abuse go hand in hand. I totally agree with that. These people saw this little girl as not much more than an animal, there for their amusement.

The police are being VERY careful with what they release. I believe that they have a very good reason to accuse AD of prostituting her daughter. They are building their case extremely carefully so that no one is let off on any technicality. They want to make sure the charges stick.

Additionally, on Nancy Grace yesterday there was some comment at the end about potentially looking for someone else. There are others involved here. It will all come out,

 

[Baznme]

He appears to be dropping weight.

 

[jamiect]

I agree it was respectful, but I wonder why not one person has asked whether he or Aunt Carey ever spoke with Shaniya after she was dropped off?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My child was scared of men as well. All men except her daddy. This was up until about the age of 3.
I was a stay at home mom, nobody ever kept her. I don't know why she had this fear.
She turned out fine and was never sexually abused.

So, I think many people are making too much of Byron's statement of the not warming up to men right away.

 

[karen in New York]

I agree it was respectful, but I wonder why not one person has asked whether he or Aunt Carey ever spoke with Shaniya after she was dropped off?

Can we hope that LE told them not to talk about that?
Then the perbs won't know what evidence or information is out there?

 

[ella971]

I hope that is the case.I can't imagine they had no contact with her the whole time.That is very strange.A phone call is the very least you would expect.

 

[Patty G]

I hope that is the case.I can't imagine they had no contact with her the whole time.That is very strange.A phone call is the very least you would expect.

You would think if there weren't any phone calls "a" phone call would have been made. Doesn't sound like it ever happened because it still stands, October 2, last time I saw my daughter.

It bothers me that the trip was made to New York.

 

[songline]

Not sure if Coe was officially in on it, but I do believe he suspected something was up and that's why neighbors say he seemed more upset than AD when they were "searching" that morning. I believe a neighbor described him as "angry" - that may fit if he thought AD had done something like this with Shaniya.



I don't believe she threw Coe under the bus. I believe Coe was there at some point when the cops were questioning everyone. Then the surveillance video was seen, and -- without another black male around at the time since AD didn't say McNeil had been there -- Coe was LE's choice of who was in that car. I don't think AD ever told LE it was Coe - maybe even told them he didn't do it. But there's no way she could give them McNeil's name, so by default LE believed it was Coe. JMHO.

I thought about Coe too, I do not believe these kind of people throw anyone under a bus....
The Law on the street is never rat on anyone. These people are street folks.
When they presumable do throw someone under a bus it is someone they are CERTAIN
will get out because they either have a great alibi or it would be proven via DNA that
they are innocent.
It is done to throw LE off...It is not done to help. JMO
Why throw LE off? she never thought shaniya will end up dead.
I do not believe that anyone that lived in that trailer did not know what happened to Shaniya.
I do not think Murder was a plan but paying off a debt seems like a most solid motive.
MOO

MODS since we can not have a forum yet - Can we have a Theory thread in the parking lot please?
and take this post over there?

 

[ella971]

My daughter is twelve and went away with her Grandmother for a trip. I told her if she did not call me or answer her phone at least once a day I would be getting on a plane and coming Costa Rica. We spoke every day.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't find it strange he asked her to call him every night. When my hubby is gone out of town to work 2-3 months at a time, my DD calls him every night before she goes to bed.

Now, if there were no calls to her or from her the whole time she was gone, that would be different. But, we don't know that. IMO

 

[Patty G]

Brad's attorney
http://www.bmdllc.com/attorneys/freed.htm

 

[Patty G]

I don't find it strange he asked her to call him every night. When my hubby is gone out of town to work 2-3 months at a time, my DD calls him every night before she goes to bed.

Now, if there were no calls to her or from her the whole time she was gone, that would be different. But, we don't know that. IMO

If there were phone calls, we would have heard him say it. He would have put it out there in the forefront "quickly" when he last spoke to Saniya.