NC - Veronica Lee Baker, 17, fatally shot in parked car outside restaurant, Raleigh, 15 Aug 2020

[realanastasia]

So why call it a $600 handbag if it did not cost $600 and you could buy it in an op shop for cents on the dollar. That seems to me to be a strange thing to say.

I would venture to say perhaps it was phrased that way because her parents are (understandably) trying to make some kind of sense of what has befallen their daughter, and thinking that this murder happened as part of a robbery gone horribly wrong is probably more comforting to them than thinking that it was a completely random crime against a person who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Figbarinc]

How are these kids getting guns? They obviously think they are big time gangsters when they have a gun. How are they going to fit all these kids into the prisons? They must be overflowing.

How are kids getting guns? The same way non-law abiding criminals are getting them-off the street. The way I see it the only way to try to stop gun related crime is to forget about constitutional rights and have Marshall law. Forbid anyone other than Military or Law Enforcement to carry firearms. A crook will always find a way to obtain a gun or a weapon!

 

[mpnola]

So why call it a $600 handbag if it did not cost $600 and you could buy it in an op shop for cents on the dollar. That seems to me to be a strange thing to say.

Because a teen who wants the designer purse and is willing to kill for it knows its an expensive purse. They aren't worried about if it was full price or on sale. Or the fact that the $600 purse could jave made her a target, thinking she had wads of cash inside. Its a $600 purse, even if it was found for $5 at a garage sale.

It was just her purse! I dont understand the judgment about why she had it or what she could have had instead. It was hers, through gift, hard work, hand me down or otherwise. The rest doesn't seem to make sense why it matters.

 

[Clair Louise]

How are kids getting guns? The same way non-law abiding criminals are getting them-off the street. The way I see it the only way to try to stop gun related crime is to forget about constitutional rights and have Marshall law. Forbid anyone other than Military or Law Enforcement to carry firearms. A crook will always find a way to obtain a gun or a weapon!

Do other countries have this problem?

 

[Figbarinc]

Media sources are still mum about details. All we are hearing/seeing are conversations by the parents and speculation by them about a motive for their daughters senseless murder. For me the fact that Veronica knew the killer still makes me believe it was a domestic issue. Ironic that the other three were in a motor vehicle and they were traveling together with the suspected gunman but caught. Yet LEO did not apprehend the suspected gunman til a later time.

Do other countries have this problem?

 

[Figbarinc]

Gun Ownership By Country 2020

I was trying to post about how other countries allow some form of gun ownership but WS wanted to add to my previous comment about media sources.

What is perplexing is the UK and more specifically England. UK has very strict gun laws so the right to own or carry guns for the law-abiding UK citizen is not allowed. However they have a huge problem with people killing others with knives. Especially teenagers killing each other. So guns may be forbotten yet people with criminal intentions will find away to accomplish that task with whatever instrument that is available. You can always make a law that forbids certain intentions but once again that only stops a rational thinking law-abiding citizen. Unfortunately so few teens under 18 have the maturity to have clear-rational thinking!

 

[Knitty]

My question wasn't me judging the purse. The father brought up the purse, and the wads of cash posted on facebook. TO ME . . . he wouldn't have brought it up if he didn't think it had something to do with her death. I'm questioning if it had something to do with her death. Now that we now she knew the person who murdered her, it could have been robbery. Or it could have been something else altogether.

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

My question wasn't me judging the purse. The father brought up the purse, and the wads of cash posted on facebook. TO ME . . . he wouldn't have brought it up if he didn't think it had something to do with her death. I'm questioning if it had something to do with her death. Now that we now she knew the person who murdered her, it could have been robbery. Or it could have been something else altogether.

MOO

You are right Knitty. The article states “Baker's parents have said they believe she was robbed.”

 

[MimosaMornings]

Was the wad of cash posted on her Facebook page? Wonder if they thought she had the money with her?

 

[Knitty]

Was the wad of cash posted on her Facebook page? Wonder if they thought she had the money with her?

4 arrested in Garner teen's death; father says his daughter knew alleged shooter :: WRAL.com

He also said Baker hung out with “good and bad crowds.” He explained Baker had never been in trouble before, but was a teenager and sometimes made poor decisions. He didn’t go into specifics about those troubles.

He said a video Baker posted on Facebook holding a wad of cash was taken at the family home, and his daughter was holding money he used to buy a car and was taken inside their home.

Yes. I'm wondering the same. And based on the "good and bad crowds" comment, I'm wondering some other things as well. It's terrible when teenagers murder.

 

[borndem]

Was the wad of cash posted on her Facebook page? Wonder if they thought she had the money with her?

I'm assuming the shooter -- or one of his buds -- knew about the purse and the cash from FB. He/they saw her, or knew her car, at Bojangles and assumed she had the purse and probably cash with her that night, and they had nothing better to do, so "Why not?"

I assume he/they did not anticipate having to shoot her dead, but the weapon would look tuff and speed things along. Something happened, and having the gun handy was all it took. No excuses, but the shooter is young, trying to act like a tuff guy, so he pulled the trigger, and a small part of the world changed at that moment.

Another young person gone, and others in big trouble -- it took just seconds.

 

[borndem]

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[kmillinder]

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[MimosaMornings]

What happened to Veronica Baker and who murdered her?

 

[Figbarinc]

You are right Knitty. The article states “Baker's parents have said they believe she was robbed.”

The robbery angle as theorized by the parents is that something that was ascertained through LEO or from another source? Once again I can't find a media source for that speculation.

I am beginning to wonder when the victim is under 18 that this type of information is held close to the vest by LEO. We had another Wake County murder of a 17-year-old female this summer and I have yet to find a source that even gives her name. Yet her suspected killer has yet to be found and or arrested. Strange.

I guess the more high profile cases get the most media attention and more information is sleuthed.

 

[oviedo]

So why call it a $600 handbag if it did not cost $600 and you could buy it in an op shop for cents on the dollar. That seems to me to be a strange thing to say.

Curious who named the price and bag because I don’t think there is a retail Gucci available at $600 and even if second hand or eBay why use that figure ? I don’t get it unless they are trying to imply it’s like the air Jordan’s that used to be stolen? jmo

 

[Clair Louise]

Curious who named the price and bag because I don’t think there is a retail Gucci available at $600 and even if second hand or eBay why use that figure ? I don’t get it unless they are trying to imply it’s like the air Jordan’s that used to be stolen? jmo

I wasn't judging her for that, but the wads of cash and the $600 bag comments by her parents, just seems strange to me, like there is something else going on.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The robbery angle as theorized by the parents is that something that was ascertained through LEO or from another source? Once again I can't find a media source for that speculation.

I am beginning to wonder when the victim is under 18 that this type of information is held close to the vest by LEO. We had another Wake County murder of a 17-year-old female this summer and I have yet to find a source that even gives her name. Yet her suspected killer has yet to be found and or arrested. Strange.

I guess the more high profile cases get the most media attention and more information is sleuthed.

The speculation seems to come directly from the parents. Here is the interview with them.
Veronica Baker's parents say her death was robbery gone wrong :: WRAL.com

 

[MimosaMornings]

Has the 911 call recording been released?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Has the 911 call recording been released?

Yes. 'She's not breathing': 911 call released in case of 17-year-old girl found dead at Raleigh Bojangles