NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #16

[SherlockHomey]

Edited because everyone else heard she "Is ten years old", not "Was 10 years old". Sorry.

 

[essies]

He is accused of running someone of the road.
His neighbors said HE fought with his wife into the middle of the night so loudly it woke them and shook the pictures of their walls.

He lived in this place for six weeks and none of his neighbors ever saw his daughter. He never mentioned her.

He knew his wife was beating her. Everyone knew it.

He is not some shrinking violet or an ostrich with his head in the sand. By his own admission he hadn't laid eyes on a daughter he lived with since Thursday.

This goes way beyond being a bit clueless or naive.He is very calm while dealing with LE and hasn't gotten himself arrested, yet. He is not stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

imo of course

BBM
I agree!! I don't think he is dumb-BUT-I do think he is playing dumb!! Because that is the only excuse he has for not knowing what (it seems) most of the people who came into contact with EB and Zahra knew!!
Like I said before if AB is ignorant of the conditions his precious little daughter was having to living under, then it is because he was WILLFULLY IGNORANT!!:furious:

 

[Patty G]

Really Patty? What about concern under circumstances similar to this? Would he not even have been asking how quickly someone would be there?

I don't panic @ times of crisis, but I am definitely emotional and there is no way I could keep that out of my voice.

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Nope, he wouldn't even slur a word even under this circumstance. Trust me, his son committed suicide and there was no difference at all and I was SHOCKED.

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[Pondering Mind]

Why on earth didn't MC ask them about Zahra. Did he even know about her? :waitasec:

Good question! ...IDK! There is so much that we don't know..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I not sure either. But.... Why in the HE11 would his mother not try to stop him from taken her grandaughter? If he has all the disabilities we think he does. I just don't see her letting him just take her to the US with out a fight. We aren't hearing anything like that from anyone from where he is from.
So many questions................

She did try, they fell out over it ...

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=104229806311654&id=124056834314060

See comments from cousin JH here.

 

[Patty G]

Did anyone else notice that when AB was asked by the 911 operator of his daughter's age, he referred to her in past tense? "She was 10 years old."

I thought he said: "She's 10!"

 

[NoeticSoul]

He is accused of running someone of the road.
His neighbors said HE fought with his wife into the middle of the night so loudly it woke them and shook the pictures of their walls.

He lived in this place for six weeks and none of his neighbors ever saw his daughter. He never mentioned her.

He knew his wife was beating her. Everyone knew it.

He is not some shrinking violet or an ostrich with his head in the sand. By his own admission he hadn't laid eyes on a daughter he lived with since Thursday.

This goes way beyond being a bit clueless or naive.

He is very calm while dealing with LE and hasn't gotten himself arrested, yet. He is not stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

imo of course

ITA Well stated.

 

[impatientredhead]

Why on earth didn't MC ask them about Zahra. Did he even know about her? :waitasec:

I understand him not asking, but I don't understand not checking on their own child.

For the boss I can see him being slightly overwhelmed by the call, his vehicle being doused in gasoline, a fire on his rental property, not to mention a ransom note that says they have one child and will come for the second... and he had to come to the property so I can see where he would have thought Z's parents had checked on her.

I don't think LE knew Z existed (which makes me think there was nothing in either vehicle that indicated a child existed either, nor did the yard). If they knew she existed I do think they would have checked.

Something must have made them chicken out on the "omg let me check on Z", or they thought LE was going to go in the house and they would make the discovery.

Adam very clearly says the vehicle with the gas is the company vehicle that he drives for work (more useless details unless you are explaining why your child is gone, rather than seeking help in finding her)... but that is the vehicle with drug evidence? Is that correct? Or was it both vehicles? or do we know?

 

[Bipolar Express]

The problem with any of these points is that we don't know what EB is saying to AB. He may have been told she was up while he was out and that Z had decided to go back to bed, so we really don't know that Z was in the room for 12 hours. I get the sense that he is very laid back and does what EB tells him and believes whatever EB tells him.

In regards to the ransom note, we don't know that he saw the note or at what time it was determined to have been written by EB.

If Z was no longer going to school and things were deteriorating at home she may have developed depression in which case it would be easy for Z to have stayed in her room all the time. (As a sufferer of depression that is easy to do and yet when having to be in public no one would know you just put on a good face often).

Zahra being a polite, thoughtful girl I would imagine would do the same so no one else worried.

In my opinion I believe AB doesn't really know what is going on (could be wrong) and that the fire was to draw attention to the note and that the police would then search the house to find Zahra missing.

It would then become a case of mistaken identity.

this didn't happen so EB had to come up with some other way to report her missing.

EB was stupid enough to write the note in her own hand without any attempt to hide her particular style.:smiliescale: in regards to the abuse claims, seeing who has made them it is really difficult to verify their legitimacy.

:detective: what we do need it more info on sightings during the last 2-3 weeks confirmed outside of the family.

:banghead: I find it sooooooooooo frustrating that these kids are now going missing seemingly off the face of the earth without a trace. I fear it is going to be new trend to leave reporting as long as possible to minimise tracking and evidence.

This and the Kiesha case are the two that I have been following and it is tearing my heart apart how these two girls can disappear without a trace. I hope with all my heart that they are found alive (I know it isn't likely) and found soon and the culprits put behind bars forever.

BBM: To the bolded portions I say: Have you listened to the latest 911 call? He knew what the note said...heck he even called his boss to tell HIM, before calling police.

To the italisized parts I say: I totally believe this is a possibility and stated so in one of my posts earlier.

To the Underlined portions: ITA. :crazy:

 

[darnudes]

Did anyone else notice that when AB was asked by the 911 operator of his daughter's age, he referred to her in past tense? "She was 10 years old."

Just listened again and he says "She's 10"

 

[imamaze]

She tried to the point of them falling out and her not having any contact details for them in the States, no phone number, no address. Grandparents should have some rights, shouldn't they?

Oh... that is just sad. I just don't know what I would do if my grandaughters were taken away from me. :-(

Yes, I think we should have some rights.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Did anyone else notice that when AB was asked by the 911 operator of his daughter's age, he referred to her in past tense? "She was 10 years old."

Yes. That's not a good sign AT ALL.

 

[Beagle]

Bottom line for me is:

If he just went through the "drama" the night before of someone mistaking his house for his boss's house, and attempting to burn a vehicle, burning the yard, and leaving a ransome note......why wouldnt he check on his own daughter? You would..if a kidnapper is going to go so far as to mistake your house and your car, why wouldnt they mistake your daughter? Why wouldnt that put you into a tailspin of terror and send you running into your house to check if your daughter was taken instead? (why wouldnt police? something is missing here....) Werent the police on scene? Some officer has some serious explaining to do...in my opinion.

Bottom line is: A loving, caring, and INNOCENT parent would have instantly checked on their child, afraid that they were taken due to mistaken identity, and nothing can make me feel different about this.

No parent concerned that upon calling 911 because it "appears they took.." his daughter "instead", is going to laugh when talking about her broodiness.

Ive not only fallen off the fence, Ive torn the fence down.

I agree that that would be the first thing I would do is to check on my kids after a ransom note was found and I don't understand why they didn't as it would still fulfill the part of mistaken identity. So this point is very telling (of what I am not sure) but very telling.

There are a number of things that don't fit like the ransom note. Sorry but I don;t think kidnappers would write it on the spot.

EB may well have been trying to get money out of AB's boss because Z was taken when it should have been the bosses daughter.

I don't think they are smart, smart but I do think EB is street smart.

After having said that the plan has been poorly thought out and certainly hasn't gone anywhere near being believable.

The question is where is Zahra and is she still with us, I dearly hope so. I hope she has been hidden somewhere and due to the leg isn't able to get away is just waiting to be found.

I don't know if I am making sense here as this is really getting to me.

Won't take a sex but maybe a shower. :waitasec:

 

[Pondering Mind]

Did anyone else notice that when AB was asked by the 911 operator of his daughter's age, he referred to her in past tense? "She was 10 years old."

did not notice that..<<shudders>>

 

[Beagle]

did not notice that..<<shudders>>

I didn't either.:furious:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

'I just talked to my boss and he told me to do.......to call you guys', did AB nearly say 'I just talked to my boss and he told me to do the right thing?' Freudian slip.

I don't think his boss said this to be clear, I think AB just had the thought 'I need to do the right thing and call the cops' running through his head, who knows for how long.

JMO

 

[impatientredhead]

I thought he said: "She's 10!"

I heard present tense when he said it.
Noted it when I heard it.

But of course I couldn't make out the part where he said he just got up... but I heard "She's ten".

 

[Pondering Mind]

If LE thinks that she may have been dead (or missing) for two weeks prior to the discovery she was gone, then I am afraid AB has some accountability. NO ONE goes two weeks without seeing their daughter-even a non caring father-he must have some clue.

especially when they are living in the same house!

 

[alphaville]

He is accused of running someone of the road.
His neighbors said HE fought with his wife into the middle of the night so loudly it woke them and shook the pictures of their walls.

He lived in this place for six weeks and none of his neighbors ever saw his daughter. He never mentioned her.

He knew his wife was beating her. Everyone knew it.

He is not some shrinking violet or an ostrich with his head in the sand. By his own admission he hadn't laid eyes on a daughter he lived with since Thursday.

This goes way beyond being a bit clueless or naive.

He is very calm while dealing with LE and hasn't gotten himself arrested, yet. He is not stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

imo of course

Was he driving the car? Was this the same incident where EB was threatening someone with a taser?

As per the neighbors... are they the same ones who said they suspect Zahra was living in the attic? I don't believe they are credible witnesses. The attic pictures don't look lived in. I feel like they were looking for their 15 minutes.

The rest of the points just support my theory that EB was in charge. He happily handed all the responsibility over to her. I never said he was a good person or a good father. Just that he might not have been responsible for Zahra's disappearance.

 

[impatientredhead]

39 seconds into the call

She's 10
She's handicapped
She has a prosthetic leg

All present tense.

imo