NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #18

[future criminologist]

Hi PF, if that turns out to be true about the 10 grand---we can add con artist to her resume for sure eh? JMHO

considering all of the bad check charges, and fabricated stories that she's told, I think she's already well-accomplished in the con-artist role .

 

[sarx]

The leg certainly could be what they're looking for, but they could also be looking for bedding, clothing, a weapon that we haven't heard about, a piece of furniture, a rug.... The list goes on and on.

They did say during the PR that they are looking in the landfill because of information that came out during interviews. With who we don't know. About what we don't know. It could be so many things.

 

[Curious Me]

Because it could be the murder weapon.

I never went there until you said that. Even sadder is that it might be true. I can barely stand the thoughts I must have to sleuth this case.

 

[darnudes]

Why do you think they're looking specifically in the landfill? Could it be that the witnesses they referred to said they saw someone put the prosthesis in a dumpster? Wouldn't they, otherwise, be looking for both the body and leg in the same place?

The Sheriff said in the presser "a piece" and "this piece" so that to me suggests Zahra's leg. The Sheriff's head was wobbling all over the place when he said they were not looking for Zahra's body in the landfill. The leg wouldn't be, technically a part of her body but in his mind it would be.

 

[watergirl]

The leg certainly could be what they're looking for, but they could also be looking for bedding, clothing, a weapon that we haven't heard about, a piece of furniture, a rug.... The list goes on and on.

They did say during the PR that they are looking in the landfill because of information that came out during interviews. With who we don't know. About what we don't know. It could be so many things.

a container that tests postive for poison (i.e. arsenic)

 

[gibby207]

I would like to know what was so important that he had to tell his boss (WHO CAN'T HELP HIM) BEFORE calling 911 (WHO CAN HELP HIM) when he realized that his daughter went missing.

That's what I would like to know too!! Hence my 2 things I keep thinking about: Coffey and donuts. Why call the boss? Whazzup with this donut shop, even mentioning it on the 911 call non sequitor?

 

[sarx]

So this landfill has hours of operation (sorry can't remember the times without looking it up) so IF AB/EB did dump something there since they moved to this new house then someone would have had to see them, right?
Not only that, if they did would someone there tell them which pile to put it in??

I don't know about landfills out there, but around here you can't just go walking all over, liability and all. Maybe that's not how it works out there? So, if it is like ours, then we can take someone walking around the landfill and disposing of something out of the equation, which would mean it was picked up in a dumpster or can.

 

[alphaville]

So this landfill has hours of operation (sorry can't remember the times without looking it up) so IF AB/EB did dump something there since they moved to this new house then someone would have had to see them, right?
Not only that, if they did would someone there tell them which pile to put it in??

The landfill is probably not open to the public. They would have had to dump whatever evidence somewhere else (dumpster, trash can, etc) that was picked up by a truck.

 

[kalekona]

Just one more odd piece of this case Isn't one of EB criminal charges embezzling or stealing from and Employer? Yet her daughter is saying she never held a job.

There just doesn't seem to be a single straight answer to any question in this case.

 

[Bipolar Express]

a container that tests postive for poison (i.e. arsenic)

This is possible for sure, since AB made mention of "stomach virus" or whatever, indicating that she had been vomiting or sick to her stomach, which poison such as arsenic would do. I cant remember where h e mentioned that though....I dont believe it was on the 911 tape, but on one of the interviews. Anyone remember?

 

[sunsetbeach]

The landfill is probably not open to the public. They would have had to dump whatever evidence somewhere else (dumpster, trash can, etc) that was picked up by a truck.

I *think* it was posted in the last thread that it is open to the pulic because people can take their dead animals out there.

 

[Patty G]

Where do you think he was Patty? Has anyone been able to establish he went to work that we know of? I'd be interested to her your thoughts on this.

At this moment, I do not believe Adam had anything to do with the disappearance of his daughter.

IMO, I feel that the ruse that Elisa setup with regards to the fire failed and she had to come up with another story upon Adam's return from looking for a job or going to work.

Perhaps Elisa felt that once she started the fire in the back yard, and wrote the note, she may have figured that the police would go inside her home to check the house and make sure it was secure and they would then see Zahra was missing.

At that point, the scenario of "they" took the wrong child would come forward. Since that didn't happen and perhaps Adam at some point during the day, would want to see Zarah and go into her room, Elisa had to come up with another plan, of which, was Elisa coming out of the house screaming that Zahra was gone upon Adam's return.

I feel the dog didn't bark with the onset of the fire as the dog knows Elisa, however, a little tantalizing of the dog would make the dog bark and wake up Adam.

Elisa had plenty of time from the moment Adam left to go look for work or go to work to go anywhere to dispose of "articles" of Zahra.

At times I dismiss all the "chatter" from relatives about beatings, and then I put them back in my thoughts in order to come up with a reason for Zahra missing and why she is missing.

I feel Adam is a very gullible man and was fed a lot of "poop" especially about the onset of Zahra going into puberty. A man hasn't got a clue when a female is starting puberty and what they may act on while in the process of puberty. However a woman would know and Elisa probably told Adam the reason why Zahra is in her room etc., due to her attitude, puberty, etc., etc.

I also feel when Adam mention the puberty statement is because he only just recently heard it and his chuckle was a form of embarrassment because he realized he made that statement.

Now, I wish I had a clue why sweet, precious Zahra is missing. I feel though that Zarah may have been sleeping when this happened, and was not aware of anyone coming into her room.

 

[NoeticSoul]

That's what I would like to know too!! Hence my 2 things I keep thinking about: Coffey and donuts. Why call the boss? Whazzup with this donut shop, even mentioning it on the 911 call non sequitor?

Yep AB is all over the place IMO. First on tv he says that ZH was always "happy and smiling" and suddenly in the 911 call.. she's brooding?! Which is it!!!!

 

[kalekona]

Not if the leg was the murder weapon...and not if they were able to dispose of the body pretty thoroughly thru fire, are (God forbid) wood chipper, cement mix, and those things wouldnt conceal a prostetic leg very well, so they through it in some random garbage. im thinking its the weapon, have felt that ever since I heard the tape

The fire in the yard was not to dispose of a body (no hot enough,didn't burn long enough and there were no remains found) and LE ruled out the wood chipper days ago. (I'm on dial up or I'd look for it but the link and article have been posted a couple of times)

 

[Angleena]

Question, why would they get rid of her body and throw her leg in the trash? Wondering what you guys think about that?

Killers generally don't dispose of the murder weapon with the body. A body will decompose and evidence lost. Weapons almost always retain some amount of evidence.

I'm wondering if her leg was disposed of in the mobile home park dumpster. If it was, considering there are witnesses that saw AB & EB in the mobile home park, that would give a very accurate time line for when the death occurred.

The last time Zahra was seen by someone other than family members was about 3 weeks ago. AB & EB were seen in the mobile home park about the same time. If they happen to find Zahra's leg in the landfill, that would make her approximate date of death about 3 weeks ago.

I can see why that would be highly critical information.

 

[Tikki]

Just don't be surprised when a grandmother and brother arrive in America this weekend. I hope someone has prepared them for the American press.

No Kidding! And from reading grandmother's FB posts, it may not be pretty

 

[watergirl]

I feel the dog didn't bark with the onset of the fire as the dog knows Elisa, however, a little tantalizing of the dog would make the dog bark and wake up Adam.

I once had a dog - a dobie/pit bull mix - that actually did bark at a fire and wake me up. Lake property...rural...neighbors woodpile caught on fire (he had been burning that day) at about 3 or 4 am. My dog barked her fool head off at that fire. Woke me up, I looked outside and saw flames about 10 feet high and called the VFD.

Anyways, as hinky as the entire scenario at the Bakers is, whatever may have gone down that night, that is the one detail I actually can believe.
*shrug*

 

[Bipolar Express]

At this moment, I do not believe Adam had anything to do with the disappearance of his daughter.

IMO, I feel that the ruse that Elisa setup with regards to the fire failed and she had to come up with another story upon Adam's return from looking for a job or going to work.

Perhaps Elisa felt that once she started the fire in the back yard, and wrote the note, she may have figured that the police would go inside her home to check the house and make sure it was secure and they would then see Zahra was missing.

At that point, the scenario of "they" took the wrong child would come forward. Since that didn't happen and perhaps Adam at some point during the day, would want to see Zarah and go into her room, Elisa had to come up with another plan, of which, was Elisa coming out of the house screaming that Zahra was gone upon Adam's return.I feel the dog didn't bark with the onset of the fire as the dog knows Elisa, however, a little tantalizing of the dog would make the dog bark and wake up Adam.

Elisa had plenty of time from the moment Adam left to go look for work or go to work to go anywhere to dispose of "articles" of Zahra.

At times I dismiss all the "chatter" from relatives about beatings, and then I put them back in my thoughts in order to come up with a reason for Zahra missing and why she is missing.

I feel Adam is a very gullible man and was fed a lot of "poop" especially about the onset of Zahra going into puberty. A man hasn't got a clue when a female is starting puberty and what they may act on while in the process of puberty. However a woman would know and Elisa probably told Adam the reason why Zahra is in her room etc., due to her attitude, puberty, etc., etc.

I also feel when Adam mention the puberty statement is because he only just recently heard it and his chuckle was a form of embarrassment because he realized he made that statement.

Now, I wish I had a clue why sweet, precious Zahra is missing. I feel though that Zarah may have been sleeping when this happened, and was not aware of anyone coming into her room.

I had this thought too a few days ago...but after hearing the 911 tape, I just dont think this is the case. Not that I dont think that EB is capable of doing it on her own, she is. However, there are just too many other things that dont add up. NO ONE has seen the child for a long time, AB himself keeps throwing out excuses why he hasnt seen her either (which arent reasonable at all), and his laughter during a call that was meant to report that his daughter had been kidnapped in a case of mistaken identity....no innocent parent would LAUGH in this case. Calm demeanor? Perhaps...but not laughter, no way.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Question, why would they get rid of her body and throw her leg in the trash? Wondering what you guys think about that?

It could be that in the panic to dispose of her that her leg was forgotten until later and so, disposed of in a different manner. I dunno, just trying to brainstorm.

 

[Patty G]

Kindly link to the topic at Facebook regarding what the grandmother is stating.