NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #25

[Paige SC]

I posted a few days ago that when they were hauling off the mattress from the landfill, one of the searchers mashed down on the top as *if* he was expecting something to be inside. It struck me as ODD because there is NO NEED to mash down on a mattress if all you're looking for is surface DNA. IMHO, of course

 

[impatientredhead]

To the poster that said all mattresses would have DNA and that this testing does not indicate they believe she died on the mattress, I disagree.

Graphic warning for that who want to skip:



There is no investigative value when compared to the money/time/risk to have people searching for and then testing a mattress to say Zahra used this mattress at one time.

They have made clear they believe this is a homicide and they are looking for a prosecutable case.

To me that means either the mattress had enough blood to show that she both died on the mattress and that there is enough blood spilled to rule her deceased without a body, OR they believe she died there and decomposed to some degree which would not show cause of death but could prove death therefore homicide.

I personally believe they think she died and laid there for some time because if we were talking about that kind of blood splatter there would be a crime scene somewhere. Blood splatter on the walls etc....

My apologies for the graphic nature of my post.
But there is just no reason for them to jump through these kinds of hoops to prove she had a mattress and her parents dumped it. There has to be more to the story.

 

[mommy23]

I'm still trying to figure the mattress connection, I'm sure there may be some evidence, but it seems like actually finding her or the leg would be a much better focus right?

And that pile in the pic is so interesting to me.... I wonder....

 

[elepher50]

For any WSers on dial up - this is the pix all have been looking at I think.

ETA: Link: http://www.wcnc.com/news/Search-for...806948.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=3#gallery-image

 

[Paige SC]

I personally believe they think she died and laid there for some time[/B] because if we were talking about that kind of blood splatter there would be a crime scene somewhere. Blood splatter on the walls etc....

And I agree with you 100%

 

[mommy23]

To the poster that said all mattresses would have DNA and that this testing does not indicate they believe she died on the mattress, I disagree.

Graphic warning for that who want to skip:



There is no investigative value when compared to the money/time/risk to have people searching for and then testing a mattress to say Zahra used this mattress at one time.

They have made clear they believe this is a homicide and they are looking for a prosecutable case.

To me that means either the mattress had enough blood to show that she both died on the mattress and that there is enough blood spilled to rule her deceased without a body, OR they believe she died there and decomposed to some degree which would not show cause of death but could prove death therefore homicide.

I personally believe they think she died and laid there for some time because if we were talking about that kind of blood splatter there would be a crime scene somewhere. Blood splatter on the walls etc....

My apologies for the graphic nature of my post.
But there is just no reason for them to jump through these kinds of hoops to prove she had a mattress and her parents dumped it. There has to be more to the story.

Posted at the same time, similar thought. I don't think simple DNA is the focus of the mattress. There has got to be more that they are going for... moo

 

[impatientredhead]

If the samples are sent off---in previous cases here on WS we've seen the DNA samples take a week to as long as months or even a year.

(The year is for real old cold cases and where there is a backlog of testing for that state IIRC)


Just fuzzy recollections. HTH.

I think they can get Mitachondrial DNA very quickly and full bore DNA identification is 7-14 days depending on how fast they can move to the top of the lab backlog which I doubt will be long in this case.

 

[nobodyspecial]

To the poster that said all mattresses would have DNA and that this testing does not indicate they believe she died on the mattress, I disagree.

Graphic warning for that who want to skip:



There is no investigative value when compared to the money/time/risk to have people searching for and then testing a mattress to say Zahra used this mattress at one time.

They have made clear they believe this is a homicide and they are looking for a prosecutable case.

To me that means either the mattress had enough blood to show that she both died on the mattress and that there is enough blood spilled to rule her deceased without a body, OR they believe she died there and decomposed to some degree which would not show cause of death but could prove death therefore homicide.

I personally believe they think she died and laid there for some time because if we were talking about that kind of blood splatter there would be a crime scene somewhere. Blood splatter on the walls etc....

My apologies for the graphic nature of my post.
But there is just no reason for them to jump through these kinds of hoops to prove she had a mattress and her parents dumped it. There has to be more to the story.

^^This. Is why I wonder about the visibility of the DNA. There must be something quite apparent on that mattress.

 

[Paintr]

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Search-for...806948.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=5#gallery-image

Thank you kindly, Lera. I was wondering why no photos. So they had the dog out there too.

 

[impatientredhead]

I'm still trying to figure the mattress connection, I'm sure there may be some evidence, but it seems like actually finding her or the leg would be a much better focus right?

And that pile in the pic is so interesting to me.... I wonder....

The leg, unless it is a murder weapon, does not prove death.
Depending on what in the mattress fibers you might have proof of Zahra's death, and evidence that puts the disposal of that mattress in her parents hands which is a good leap towards charging them in the death.

 

[sunsetbeach]

This photo is right beside the road where the gate with the stop sign is??

I went down that whole road on Google maps and could not find that stop sign ... wonder if it's new? It kinda looks new. Was hoping to pinpoint where they were at but no luck.

 

[darnudes]

Was this posted already? It is a press conference with Sheriff Alan Jones.

http://titancast.titantv.com/p/whky/v/Zahra-BakerDudley-Shoals-press-conference/1ACF23V7.aspx

 

[nobodyspecial]

I think they can get Mitachondrial DNA very quickly and full bore DNA identification is 7-14 days depending on how fast they can move to the top of the lab backlog which I doubt will be long in this case.

Don't they need maternal DNA (not that they couldn't get it...) to compare for mito sample? Or am I totally bonkers at this point?

And I was, for some reason, thinking around 10 days for full DNA ID...so I must have some brain still working.

 

[LCoastMom]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, I am still catching up.

Is it possible EB is helping them find the mattress? I can't imagine her taking them to a body, as it will obviously incriminate her.

Maybe EB said she forgets where they dumped the mattress and is helping them look for it?

Ahh, IDK. This case just takes the cake.

BBM - Every piece of 'real evidence' that she helps "look for" will be incriminating - GREAT!! I hope she incriminates herself all the way to the DP - but my guess is she is working for a deal, say LWOP or even just 25 yrs to life for manslaughter or some other lessor charges, no aggravated charges - instead of Murder 1.

This case (and several others similar to it) IMO take not only the cake - they take the whole damn bakery! I wonder if her high profile atty asked EB if she's ever heard of the most hated mother on the planet - ICA and told her holding out puts her in the same exact category?

BTW Bia Welcome to WS! :Welcome-12-june:

Possible theory.... Adam says he hadn't seen Zahra since Thursday.

EB realizes they are on to her, at the advise of lawyer decides to help them find the mattress .... and try to implicate AB ????

BBM - Actually, when asked when he last saw Zahra, AB said he last saw Zehra 'out of bed' on Tuesday!:waitasec: The reporter pointed this out to him and reminded him he last saw her on Thursday - to which he gratefully agreed with her and mumbled about days running together or something! It looked like she was in the bed on Friday night.

Father speaks RAW:

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25360091/index.html

 

[kcsmom76]

For any WSers on dial up - this is the pix all have been looking at I think.

ETA: Link: http://www.wcnc.com/news/Search-for...806948.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=3#gallery-image

Just got back on. Where is this picture from??

 

[KikiWanBaniki]

Mattress was said to be found when the landfill equipment operators were regrading today per news report.

I might be behind (I'm multitasking), but did I miss a link to this???

 

[impatientredhead]

Don't they need maternal DNA (not that they couldn't get it...) to compare for mito sample? Or am I totally bonkers at this point?

And I was, for some reason, thinking around 10 days for full DNA ID...so I must have some brain still working.

I think it said they took a hairbrush, which they could reasonably determine Z's hair from her parents, and then compare Mito comparison. Doesn't show them exactly who it belongs to but narrows it down quite tightly.

And they do know where her bio mom is as well.
And have requested her medical records from her birth country.

 

[LCoastMom]

Don't they need maternal DNA (not that they couldn't get it...) to compare for mito sample? Or am I totally bonkers at this point?

And I was, for some reason, thinking around 10 days for full DNA ID...so I must have some brain still working.

If Zehra's maternal GMother or biomother is here now, they will have access to M - DNA, of course LE can (could have) also Fed - Ex a sample from Oz.

 

[Virgogalsue]

I think they can get Mitachondrial DNA very quickly and full bore DNA identification is 7-14 days depending on how fast they can move to the top of the lab backlog which I doubt will be long in this case.

What about simple blood typing? Surely that could be done quickly!

 

[xheraldina]

So does this mean that something else besides mattress has been found?
He says Yes and matress too!
:waitasec:

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