NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #25

[impatientredhead]

Oh good grief, not another case where evidence shows up in a previously searched area, after the perp(s) is (are) in jail!! I do not want to find out about the landfill employes ex spouses or prior (dropped) kidnapping charges!! :banghead: :banghead:

And please don't let him be an online gamer

 

[MsBrisbee]

:waitasec: Hmm - Tippy Toe

maybe peddel to the meddal ?

 

[SherlockHomey]

The Kristy road area is now shutdown to non local traffic. Reconfirms while filling in from where they dug at the landfill graders came across another mattress. The mattress.

Wrapping up digging at Kristy Road. "Mattress found almost accidently"

This is from WBTV live news report.

 

[Paige SC]

And please don't let him be an online gamer

... or someone who neglected to register as a sex offender !:banghead:

 

[kalekona]

maybe peddel to the meddal ?

O/T Floor it.

 

[Kat]

To the poster that said all mattresses would have DNA and that this testing does not indicate they believe she died on the mattress, I disagree.

Graphic warning for that who want to skip:



There is no investigative value when compared to the money/time/risk to have people searching for and then testing a mattress to say Zahra used this mattress at one time.

They have made clear they believe this is a homicide and they are looking for a prosecutable case.

To me that means either the mattress had enough blood to show that she both died on the mattress and that there is enough blood spilled to rule her deceased without a body, OR they believe she died there and decomposed to some degree which would not show cause of death but could prove death therefore homicide.

I personally believe they think she died and laid there for some time because if we were talking about that kind of blood splatter there would be a crime scene somewhere. Blood splatter on the walls etc....

My apologies for the graphic nature of my post.
But there is just no reason for them to jump through these kinds of hoops to prove she had a mattress and her parents dumped it. There has to be more to the story.

GRAPHIC DISCUSSION:

Thanks IRH!

I agree with your post.

I just wondered this: In addition to finding her blood as you outlined above (which is what I was thinking last night too) if she laid long enough do you think they could find decomp fluids also (the type that exudes from the orifaces) or do you think she didn't lay there long enough for that?

Also, what do you think of possible release of bodily waste during a agonal response being also found on the mattress?

TIA for taking the time to answer.

 

[Mandy113]

I want them to build a case to bury whoever is guilty here. I have never wanted to see justice done so badly.

 

[alphaville]

Don't they need maternal DNA (not that they couldn't get it...) to compare for mito sample? Or am I totally bonkers at this point?

And I was, for some reason, thinking around 10 days for full DNA ID...so I must have some brain still working.

The real time I think when it comes to DNA testing is technician availability, back logs etc. I am not implying that it is a quick test, not at all. But basic PCR (for amplification) takes a few hrs...running gels, dying/staining gels, can take up to a day or two. Also note I have NO real idea how FBI would do the DNA fingerprinting, just what I have done in labs for school. Techniques and procedures could be vastly different. Just the basics I know are not week long procedures.

Yes, you do need maternal DNA for mtDNA. We all have the same mtDNA as our mothers'.

 

[tehcloser]

All this digging and stuff and EB is supposedly "talking" but they are finding nothing? I'm feeling the hink again.

 

[epiphany]

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637HICKORY, NC (WBTV) -

Updated: Oct 26, 2010 5:57 PM

Authorities released two key pieces of information in the Zahra Baker case late Tuesday afternoon: confirming the missing girl's stepmother started cooperating with police on Sunday and the fact that crews Tuesday accidentally found a mattress similar to Zahra's in the landfill they spent four days in last week.

 

[Paige SC]

The Kristy road area is now shutdown to non local traffic. Reconfirms while filling in from where they dug at the landfill graders came across another mattress. The mattress.

Wrapping up digging at Kristy Road. "Mattress found almost accidently"

This is from WBTV live news report.

So, they're saying the road that's now shut down would have been that way regardless of the accidental mattress discovery? Is that how you take it?

 

[mysticrose]

WBTV news report just confirmed they are digging at the site (christy road) with heavy equipment. It looks like the same place as the brush picture.

I wonder why heavy equipment ? If she was buried there (sorry) I would think a hand shovel would do unless someone buried her with large equipment ....:banghead:

 

[78gidget78]

maybe peddel to the meddal ?[/QUOTE

or
"floor it" "hit the gas" or simply press the accelerator. i've lived in the north and the south and still the only thing i mash is potatoes. i've "squished" my fingers lots of times though, and "pressed" buttons, guess those would be my northwestern equivalents of "mashed"

 

[SherlockHomey]

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

"confirming the missing girl's stepmother started cooperating with police on Sunday and the fact that crews Tuesday accidentally found a mattress similar to Zahra's in the landfill they spent four days in last week."

 

[ella971]

Women have buried bodies before. JMO

Hi Kim, The last two days doing yard work I started thing about the SM putting Z under the ground. My thoughts are it would be very,very hard to do by hand do you have any statistics or some examples of women from the US that have done this alone by hand? Thanks.Weird question but I'm wondering.

 

[Kat]

broken link epip (Hi BTW )


What time is it in NC? TIA

 

[SherlockHomey]

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637HICKORY, NC (WBTV) -

Updated: Oct 26, 2010 5:57 PM

Authorities released two key pieces of information in the Zahra Baker case late Tuesday afternoon: confirming the missing girl's stepmother started cooperating with police on Sunday and the fact that crews Tuesday accidentally found a mattress similar to Zahra's in the landfill they spent four days in last week.

Sorry for duplicating. I just saw this.:blushing:

 

[tehcloser]

Saying they "accidentally found a mattress" sounds oh....IDK, strange. They could have worded it better.

 

[kcsmom76]

I wonder why heavy equipment ? If she was buried there (sorry) I would think a hand shovel would do unless someone buried her with large equipment ....:banghead:

They may be using the heavy equipment to preserve evidence on the soil/area?

 

[believe09]

As far as MtDNA is concerned-I do not think it is a stretch to believe that her bio mother gave a cheek swab in the early stages of the disappearance-also, Zahra may have had a full profile on file if she was genetically tested or had gene testing for her cancer type. Not to mention, some hospitals keep tissue samples for study purposes for years...think of Henrietta Lacks cells, for example. Which would have also given a primary nuclear DNA sample to work with.