NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #26

[Mrs G Norris]

just my own two cents, If I am the long silent, at least to public, bio mother of Z. When I do finally decde to clear the air and make a public statement about my daughter's disappearance, it won't be on a site such as Val's. No offense to Val or the site, but with all the rumor and intertest about "where is bio mom, who is bio mom, why is bio mom not speaking?" IF and WHEN I was goign to say something, it would be to MSM, not a letter to an arbitrary site.

You just gave me a horrible thought...I hope there's no 'media deal' in the works which may be why she's saving the 'reveal' I hope not.

 

[Lera213]

I thought I read somewhere that there was no substantial evidence so far to show that any family member was intended to arrive at the airport when EB was there.

 

[Blue Ridge]

I'm wondering how that particular mattress could be distinguished on sight from any other mattress. (I would describe any mattress in my home as a large rectangle with a white padded cover.
*respectfully snipped for bandwidth*

So glad to see someone else post this thought! The same thing crossed my mind. I would not be able to describe my own mattress to anyone much beyond it being full sized with some type of pastel colored, large floral design on it. That probably describes a huge % of people's mattresses. Unless Zahra had some really unusual design on her mattress or something (maybe a kid's cartoon character or something? Do they put those on mattresses?)

 

[Lera213]

Maybe she is quiet so as not to impeded the investigation? For all we know she could be still in Australia or in the USA, I'm sure if she was in the USA though media would have found her and or at least reported her being here.

 

[froginTtown]

There were 3 searches yesterday.. One on Hartland...???? I didn't know that....:waitasec:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...earchChristieRdMattressatLandfillfound001.mp4
Thanks cranky...

 

[Kamille]

I'm horrible at digging through all my links, but I would have sworn it was reported that the mattress was tossed 2 days before the 911 call. I found a link yesterday that claimed "days before" it was thrown out. Does anyone have anything more specific. I think it would be important in determining what AB may have known / may not have known.

Also, does anyone else find it odd that AB hasn't made bail yet ? It's like $700 to get out of there I think? I'm really :waitasec: over why he hasn't obtained a lawyer and he's still sitting in jail. Unless he was getting threats , etc. from the public and feels he's safer in there ??? It seems too coincidental that he went in there right when mama got here. Thoughts?

Well even if it was two days before the 911 call, that was October 7th. AB claimed he saw Zahra up and out of bed that day. Not sure if he meant in the evening when he returned home from work but that's the idea I got from his interview. So that would suggest that EB had purchased the mattress during the day and hid it with a plan to kill Zahra after he went to sleep or work the next day and replace her mattress during the night or after he had left for work?

And LE keep insinuating that the parents (plural) disposed of the mattress so the witnesses may be neighbours who actually saw them loading it into the SUV.

If the replacement of Zahra's mattress was done in early October for a completely innocent reason, like she just needed a new one because maybe the dog soiled hers or whatever, then it's all going to come out with the DNA testing on the old one I suppose.

MOO

 

[Lera213]

if it is a cheap mattress like this (sorry it is small) This mattress probably could be rolled up and tied with effort especially if it was old and worn.

 

[passionflower]

I thought I read somewhere that there was no substantial evidence so far to show that any family member was intended to arrive at the airport when EB was there.

do you mean AB???

 

[Lera213]

do you mean AB???

Yes sorry AB, I haven't slept all night...so I'm tired.

 

[tlcya]

Yes sorry AB, I haven't slept all night...so I'm tired.

sounds like you need to go to bed, get rested and then hit things fresh

 

[NancyA]

This is not Zahras mother.. Her mother never cared before.This is an imaginatve American.

With respect, we can't know that Zahra's mother 'never cared before', we can surmise, we can speculate, we can judge and we can condemn based on what we think she coulda woulda shoulda done if she were really concerned. Whatever the truth of how she came to give Zahra up and stay out of her life, if this case has touched the emotions of those who are complete strangers to Zahra, how much more must it have resounded with the one who gave birth to her? As far as I'm concerned I hold to one of the main premises of this site, we don't attack family members of victims who are also victims themselves - in this case Zahra's Grandmother and her Mother - unless there is something to show somewhere that they are complicit in what happened and deserve to be attacked.

As to who wrote that post at the hinky site, maybe it was an 'impostor' but it doesn't hurt sometimes to take things at face value and it had a ring of sincerity to me.

 

[netsleuther]

do you think he has guilty knowledge of what happened/what was happening to Zahra?

I do

(hit thanks if you think he had guilty knowledge)

ianal, but I think that will get him something when this is all said and done moo

I don't really want to imagine that a father could be aware of anyone killing his child without doing anything about it. Also it would have to be the hardest thing to help cover up a crime knowing it was your child and you helped dispose of the body.

I am curious to know how long AB and EB had been fighting with their family and friends and even with each other. With all that fighting going on I wonder if AB ever wanted to leave EB but felt stuck in the USA and couldn't get away assuming EB fights with everyone.

Before I noticed the no sleuthing AY warning I did notice on his FB wall, dated way back in May where BS was saying haha EB is fighting with everyone now maybe AB will wake up and take Z and leave. May 13 or 23 from memory that comment is around the same time EB were charged with communicating threats

 

[Lera213]

inexpensive mattress have all sorts of designs and colors so I'm sure hers wasn't an expensive one after all they went to the rent to own didn't they for TV and stuff? I cannot imagine them spending more then $150.00 for a mattress.

 

[Kamille]

So glad to see someone else post this thought! The same thing crossed my mind. I would not be able to describe my own mattress to anyone much beyond it being full sized with some type of pastel colored, large floral design on it. That probably describes a huge % of people's mattresses. Unless Zahra had some really unusual design on her mattress or something (maybe a kid's cartoon character or something? Do they put those on mattresses?)

Maybe it originally matched the boxspring and it wasn't replaced? We know LE have it but I think the pics only showed it from the bottom?

MOO

 

[netsleuther]

Well even if it was two days before the 911 call, that was October 7th. AB claimed he saw Zahra up and out of bed that day. Not sure if he meant in the evening when he returned home from work but that's the idea I got from his interview. So that would suggest that EB had purchased the mattress during the day and hid it with a plan to kill Zahra after he went to sleep or work the next day and replace her mattress during the night or after he had left for work?

And LE keep insinuating that the parents (plural) disposed of the mattress so the witnesses may be neighbours who actually saw them loading it into the SUV.

If the replacement of Zahra's mattress was done in early October for a completely innocent reason, like she just needed a new one because maybe the dog soiled hers or whatever, then it's all going to come out with the DNA testing on the old one I suppose.

MOO

What if The mattress were replaced because EB told AB that Z was brooding and spoiled the mattress?

 

[Lera213]

Maybe it originally matched the boxspring and it wasn't replaced? We know LE have it but I think the pics only showed it from the bottom?

MOO

Good point, they knew what color it was via the box spring... very good on you!

 

[Patty G]

Agreed, but we can't say that Zahra's mom didn't care. We have nothing from her own mouth, KWIM???

True, but many have posted the same feelings about Zahra's mother out of frustration. We don't really know anything about the backgorund history of Zahra's parents.

 

[Lera213]

What if The mattress were replaced because EB told AB that Z was brooding and spoiled the mattress?

wait, he was trying to explain away why blood would be on the mattress if they found it...in his interview he stated she was brooding, and going through Puberty.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Maybe it originally matched the boxspring and it wasn't replaced? We know LE have it but I think the pics only showed it from the bottom?

MOO

That could very well explain why they're so sure of the design!

 

[wfgodot]

As to who wrote that post at the hinky site, maybe it was an 'impostor' but it doesn't hurt sometimes to take things at face value and it had a ring of sincerity to me.

While I don't doubt your sentiment, proof of accuracy is the WS standard, coupled with links from MSM - not the "ring of sincerity" and quotes from a dubious source.