NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #26

[MandyLeigh]

I guess we'll find out wont we. I'm not saying it's the only thing I think may have happened, but just that it's a possibility. At this stage until we know more we can only speculate, I almost dread finding out the whole truth here. I think it's going to be very disturbing. God, it already is.

Mrs. G I agree with it being a possibility too.

IMO This is a loyal child, not an adult being held captive by strangers. So IF she was locked in that room she would have stayed there just waiting for mom or dad to come let her out no matter how hungry or hurt she was. Plus Z was from another country with no other family here but EB's who was alienated. She had just moved, she probably had no idea location wise where she was or how to get in touch with anyone. Mom and Dad is her world. Where would she think to go? She would have stayed just like she did all the other times EB made her stay on her room. Just waiting.

 

[agathawannabe]

Just curious.. How are you confirming it's her? Matching address or DOB or something else?

I just did a search on white pages and EB is listed as Elizabeth B. I haven't heard her mentioned under this name before.

 

[simlyme]

HICKORY NEWS!!!!
LOTS OF NEW INFO:
Sorry if posted already UPdated 27 minutes ago
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/26/10/mattress-found-landfill-ar-485567/

 

[Laddsy]

Just curious.. How are you confirming it's her? Matching address or DOB or something else?

The address was 21st ave, hickory NC. I got this address from the search warrant. Is there maybe another 21st ave in Hickory. I am from Aus so have no idea how big the town is

 

[impatientredhead]

Starving someone to death is a pretty long process, I don't see that being the scenario

I am thinking something more violent and quick.
I think she was in the house for sometime after her death though.

She lived with TWO adults that were known for their anger issues.

The 911 calls removes for me any doubt that he was just unaware and this was thrust upon him. He was at a minimum tolerant of his child being abused, to me clearly involved in the conspiracy to cover up the her death, and I think we will find out was well aware that she was abused, injured, and allowed her die of her injuries instead of seeking help because he didn't want to be prosecuted.

We see it all the time that biomom comes home to find her child battered more severely than previous beating and do not seek medical care because the previous bruising and injuries are unexplainable in combo with the new more severe ones.

He failed this child in every way possible in my opinion.

 

[KikiWanBaniki]

Mrs. G I agree with it being a possibility too.

IMO This is a loyal child, not an adult being held captive by strangers. So IF she was locked in that room she would have stayed there just waiting for mom or dad to come let her out no matter how hungry or hurt she was. Plus Z was from another country with no other family here but EB's who was alienated. She had just moved, she probably had no idea location wise where she was or how to get in touch with anyone. Mom and Dad is her world. Where would she think to go? She would have stayed just like she did all the other times EB made her stay on her room. Just waiting.

All VERY true, in my experience. Also, when you're a child and that afraid of someone, the thought of what would happen if that person CAUGHT you trying to escape is way more frightening than staying put. MOO, of course.

 

[kalekona]

Starving someone to death is a pretty long process, I don't see that being the scenario

I am thinking something more violent and quick.
I think she was in the house for sometime after her death though.

She lived with TWO adults that were known for their anger issues.

The 911 calls removes for me any doubt that he was just unaware and this was thrust upon him. He was at a minimum tolerant of his child being abused, to me clearly involved in the conspiracy to cover up the her death, and I think we will find out was well aware that she was abused, injured, and allowed her die of her injuries instead of seeking help because he didn't want to be prosecuted.

We see it all the time that biomom comes home to find her child battered more severely than previous beating and do not seek medical care because the previous bruising and injuries are unexplainable in combo with the new more severe ones.

He failed this child in every way possible in my opinion.

So should he be held more accountable than that mother? Because in almost all abuse cases with that scenario the mother ends up getting considerably less time than her BF.

Then what about if the child killed is the woman's and the one pretending it isn't happening is the BF- should he get as much time as she did?

(not being argumentative or anything just seriously interested in the views of the different scenarios)

 

[Laddsy]

im thinking punched extremely hard in the stomach so there was no visible bruising followed by internal bleeding leading to death. This saga sickens me. I have so many horrible things going through my head.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ I think there was a bit of a switch here because the father was the bio parent, but that he being the more emotionally dependent person in the relationship, didn't do anything to protect his daughter, confront Elisa, or alert the authorities (in a reasonable manner) after she died.

So Elisa still the main culprit, and should still be punished most severely, and AB was too weak to stand up to her, or do the right thing by his daughter but is still party to a murder.

 

[simlyme]

HICKORY NEWS!!!!
LOTS OF NEW INFO:
Sorry if posted already UPdated 27 minutes ago
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/26/10/mattress-found-landfill-ar-485567/

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Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, has been in the Catawba County jail since he turned himself in at the Hickory Police Department at 3:12 a.m. Monday. He went to the police station after picking up his mother and brother at the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport.


Baker was arrested on charges unrelated to the disappearance of his daughter and jailed under a $7,000 bond. They include five counts of worthless checks and failure to appear.

The Australian Consulate in Atlanta was notified of Baker’s arrest at his request.

 

[LCoastMom]

Very good honest info and discussion on Levi tonight. :thumb: He had defense Attorney Holly Hughes and Detective/crime writer Stacy Dittrich on.

The fact that they are searching for mattress shows LE thinks she died in her room. Mattress is extremely important as could show how long Z laid there after death.

EB pointing fingers at AB. LE needs her to give some kind of evidence to go with her accusations or it's just a story. EB can't give up the body as that would point to her. So shes is out in a SUV leading them all over heck and back, trying to prove her stories with out hurting herself. Leading them on goose chase.

EB hasn't given anything worth while yet, thinks attorney is going to sit her down and make her understand that she needs to bring something big to the table to save her from the DP.

AB laughing on the 911 tape and claiming she is brooding is seriously disturbing considering the circumstances of her disappearance. Will effect jury in his own court case.

The way Z was treated before her death will also be heard by jury and taken into account.

Lots more but hard to keep up :treadmill: listening to it again...

ETA
Even if EB was the one who killed Z, AB can still be convicted of murder as a party to the crime.. Talked about a woman just executed who didn't kill her husband while the men who did lived. She was a part of it and they did the killing.

LE doing a great job swabbing everything they can get their hands on and keeping things close to the vest so nothing can be questioned in a court of law later on.

Thinks they could have a case against these two right now if they had to do it. The actions of both parents are very telling. Juries are full of parents and people who care a lot about kids especially those who have beat cancer twice and had a leg amputated.

Thank You for doing such an excellent recap!

O/T - I've had my hands full with my sick, almost 4 month old GBaby for the last 4 days, as she has been catnapping in my arms, giving me 10 minute breaks then 50 minutes of walking and rocking.

My heart hurts for Zahra's GMa - knowing what she must have gone through to get her GBaby thru 2 bouts of cancer. With the help of AB or not; I'm guessing she carried the brunt. It's what moms and gmas do - not that dads can't, it seems for many men - it just isn't the same and most lil ones want their mom (or mom figure), when they are sick.

First to have Zahra taken away, half way around the world - then to lose her this way and to get this whole sordid story dumped in her lap - I can't even imagine. I hope she has everything/everyone she needs, to give her support to be able to get thru whatever comes.

The step momster had a quote on her MySpace saying her mom was her hero and although she has passed she still missed her everyday and she hoped to someday be half the woman her mother was. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out the EB is still alive - some thanks must belong to her mother (at least at some point in time) so EB has failed, as a human, as a (step) mom and as her mother's daughter.

 

[impatientredhead]

So should he be held more accountable than that mother? Because in almost all abuse cases with that scenario the mother ends up getting considerably less time than her BF.

Then what about if the child killed is the woman's and the one pretending it isn't happening is the BF- should he get as much time as she did?

(not being argumentative or anything just seriously interested in the views of the different scenarios)

My personal feeling is that they should be charged equally, just like the get away driver example when a guard is shot. But that is not how the law is applied. I think it is ridiculous when the mother's are not held equally if not more so responsible since it was their job to protect the child and I will be equally frustrated when/if he is given a lesser amount of responsibility.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Turned himself in!! So that's news. Does that mean he told his mum he was guilty and she told him to do the right thing and tell the police? Does this guy ever do anything off his own back I wonder?

 

[agathawannabe]

The address was 21st ave, hickory NC. I got this address from the search warrant. Is there maybe another 21st ave in Hickory. I am from Aus so have no idea how big the town is

Ah, ok. I suppose she could have used that alias somewhere and it got associated with that address.

I double-checked criminal records and did not find any records for that alias with her DOB. There are, however, other Elizabeth B's in the area with different DOB's. Not sure what the significance is - just thought I'd put this out there.

 

[madelyn]

So should he be held more accountable than that mother? Because in almost all abuse cases with that scenario the mother ends up getting considerably less time than her BF.

Then what about if the child killed is the woman's and the one pretending it isn't happening is the BF- should he get as much time as she did?

(not being argumentative or anything just seriously interested in the views of the different scenarios)

As for parity of punishment. In this case, (if they are both significantly contributory in Zahra's death) I'd like to see each one electrocuted, dismembered, then disposed of in the smelliest raw sewage pit that can be found. While that's waaaaay too merciful, at least they'll be gone forever, thus I won't have to pay for their upkeep, and the earth will be a better place the instant their icy hearts stop beating (not that they even have hearts but you get my drift).

Happy thoughts!

 

[simlyme]

Turned himself in!! So that's news. Does that mean he told his mum he was guilty and she told him to do the right thing and tell the police? Does this guy ever do anything off his own back I wonder?

I think it was his Mom ,told him to turn himself in, he can probably get a lawyer now,I have a feeling Moms going to stick with him through thick & thin.
I dont think Gma is all that.:banghead:

 

[pudd]

Originally Posted by Laddsy View Post
The address was 21st ave, hickory NC. I got this address from the search warrant. Is there maybe another 21st ave in Hickory. I am from Aus so have no idea how big the town is

I remember taking a look at the Google map and being confused because there was a 21st Ave NW, 21st Ave NE etc, and I couldn't figure out where I was looking. Kind of confusing street naming, there!

 

[simlyme]

I remember taking a look at the Google map and being confused because there was a 21st Ave NW, 21st Ave SW (?) etc, and I couldn't figure out where I was looking. Kind of confusing street naming, there!

It is 21 21st Ave. NW

 

[gibby207]

Looks like LE may have setup some sort of covering at the focus point at the Christie Rd search area?

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Search-for-Zahra-Baker-intensifies-in-Caldwell-County-105806948.html

Sorry if this has already been posted as I have been distracted this evening.

Ohhh... just started on this thread before going to bed and reading from the Believe09 collection. lol

This is very promising to me... I'm crossing fingers that Zahra gets closure and justice. Soon.

 

[agathawannabe]

Re http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...ill-ar-485567/

Turned himself in!! So that's news. Does that mean he told his mum he was guilty and she told him to do the right thing and tell the police? Does this guy ever do anything off his own back I wonder?

I think perhaps we should make sure this isn't a somewhat exaggerated paraphrase before basing any assumptions off it. I could have sworn I saw other articles that said he "went to the police station to give a statement and was arrested while there". If true, that would be something slightly different, IMO.

Also, I'd think if he actually went to "turn himself in" he would have confessed to involvement in the process, and in turn it seems like he would have been charged with (at least) "obstruction" as EB was.

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