NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #28

[tlcya]

does anyone remember when it was we dicussed AB was removing his things from the house? It seemed like he was in that house a few days,at least. A lot of cleaning up can take place (with a nervous guy).
I dont like the idea that this house was never secured from day 1.

Although I too wish there had been a heavy LE presence securing the home we have no idea if AB had access or if LE surveiled or even perhaps bugged the home after first warrant. We have no clue if there are sealed warrants involved.

hold on off on a tangent

If LE was surveiling or bugging the home and AB was staying there (all UNCONFIRMED) then perhaps thats how they knew where to bump into AB at the airport.

Just thinking out loud

I trust LE, they've been on the ball on this case IMO

 

[Snoopster]

I say let's put EB and AB in front of this interrogator and see what comes out!

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This is a link to a post on the Col. Russell Williams thread. (he is now stripped of the Colonel title, thankfully!) The videos show the police interrogator going head to head with a very bright man. Patiently, he sets the trap, shows the evidence, and gets him to confess. It is truly an incredible piece of police work. One reporter termed it an intelligent man brought down by an equally intelligent man. I never truly understood what an art interrogation is. (P.S. - this detective was also the individual that found 8 year old Tori Stafford's body last year....on a hunch, as he drove home from work one day.)

I can't imagine EB or AB lasting long under his patient scrutiny!

 

[Kamille]

I had a hink that family was claiming they saw her more recently (and also saw some postings on a deleted FB page), but for some reason LE hasn't been quick to believe them.

I wonder if they feel like the family is covering for something or someone ?

If LE has that witness who claims Zahra was alive on Thursday, they can't just discount that when looking at AB and his involvement. That mattress will be the key in determining if that testimony is "unreliable" IMO. No wonder they wanted to find it so badly.

MOO

 

[panthera]

update please I have leg found yesterday Ab bonded out of jail????

Yes, LE actually found the leg yesterday but released the information today; and today AB bonded out of jail.

 

[PunKnLuV]

Husband just updated me again:
They are swabbing the wall again (Back bedroom wall). They are really concentrating on it it seems!!

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have not caught up yet, so forgive me for posting. I did watch NG, tho.

If the woodchipper was used, the wood chips being propelled out would more or less act as 'cleaning' agent on the inside of the chipper. However; it would not keep blood from maybe being on parts of the engine.

Just a theory and MOO, but I want to know if there was a chest type freezer in the house. Forgive me, but could Zahara's body have been frozen before someone attempted to put it through the chipper? It make it somewhat easier to feed into the chipper. I just have a sinking feeling that this could have been what has happened. Then, the person realized that they could not finish that job there in the back yard and did dispose of the other parts in different areas?

It is JMHO about the wood chipper, the theory, and the body having been frozen. I also believe that the glove is a part of the evidence as well.

I am thinking that LE was using luminol in the house tonight. If LE had been usung luminol in the house this afternoon, blackout material would have been placed over the windows and reporters would have noticed that, IMO. Tonight, the blackout material would have still been used, but the reporters would not notice as much. At one point tonight on NG, the reporter stated that the lights were off except for one room in the back.

I am not wanting to upset anyone with having written any of this. It is just my opinion of what may have happened, and I have a sinking, strong feeling it could very well have happened.

I feel that there IS evidence in the back yard as well as several other places. I have such a feeling of contempt and disgust for both EB and AB. I am not supposed to hate, but I am afraid I do hate whomever is responsible for murdering (IMO) little Zahra.

May GB the Gma and people who did love brave little Zahra. I have a feeling what happened to her is beyond even horrific. I have a titanium plate w/screws in my neck and it has identifying numbers on it. LE can comfirm the prosthetic leg when they are given those identifying numbers.

I have been here for some time since early on and have just not posted very much because this is so sickening to me.

One last thing - I do not think AB should be out and about. I know his right to bond, but I feel he is complicit in one of the most horrific murders in recent time. I also feel there may be at least one more person involved in addition to EB and AB.

Sorry for the interruption in the flow. I started to post this theory earlier on and did not because it is just so sickening and depraved. I have made myself sick even posting this post. I am going back to catch up now.

GB little Zahra's soul.

JMO

 

[eleni777]

From www.wcnc.com video, screenshots of crime scene techs removing something from the hole. After the item(s) was removed, the digging stopped, workers took off boots, left the digging part of the investigation.

I agree with DG... it looked like hair or fabric. It was two masses, connected by a thread like substance.

Also, when you watch the video, don't watch the item, but watch the men's faces.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Hickory-police--105899483.html

Is this the area where the fire was at the house? Could this be some sort of clothing that was being burned to get rid of evidence? EB clothing that she was wearing? Zahra's clothing?

 

[Patty G]

NG's show is now uploading to my YT channel. It should take about 30 minutes for the 6 parts to complete uploading and processing.

http://www/youtube.com/Sierra1947

 

[trigger]

How about a sock?

Or a bloody sock? OMG

Is there some type of sock fitted into the leg?

 

[bellyup]

Maybe if you have different parenting experience to draw from you can see another angle. I want to see it, I want to see the possiblity of anything other than he was a complicit bystander to the abuse of his daughter, failed to get her help, and disposed of her body like garbage to protect himself (after doing nothing to protect her). But I come up blank.

I've seen parents that can turn into someone TOTALLY different when their spouse is not around. I posted WAyyyyy back about a neighbor I had in which the woman was an abusive psycho monster when daddy was away but literally put on a skirt and heels and was "perfect mommy" when he was around.

I also know of someone who NEVER yells at her kids in front of their father... but WHOA buddy... when he's not around the ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD hears it.

And drawing from personal experience here, my daughter could easily be dead for 2-3 (maybe even 4?) days and I could hide it from my hubby. He works insanely long hours. He leaves the "girl" stuff to me. He's a guys guy and while he loves her intensely (and is fiercely protective of her) ... he doesn't get a lot of the daily fluff of dealing with a young female so he stays out of it so as to not upset her (or me I could tell him one day that she is off with friends or family. The next I could say she had something for school (wouldn't work in in the case of zahra, but just as an example), the next I could say she was sick, the next I could say she is sleeping because she was up all night being sick..... Yeah I could hide it from him for quite a few days depending on how distracted he was with work at the time.

 

[luckygirl]

Ok the way I can explain it to you is look at the guy bending over, that black wiggly line under his nose....imo could be hair, dirty wet hair. HTH

April_showers I had a hard time seeing what everyone is seeing in the pictures too but I certainly see it in the video...have you watched the video?

Hope this helps you!

 

[simlyme]

Although I too wish there had been a heavy LE presence securing the home we have no idea if AB had access or if LE surveiled or even perhaps bugged the home after first warrant. We have no clue if there are sealed warrants involved.

hold on off on a tangent

If LE was surveiling or bugging the home and AB was staying there (all UNCONFIRMED) then perhaps thats how they knew where to bump into AB at the airport.

Just thinking out loud

I trust LE, they've been on the ball on this case IMO

tlox, no tangent forthcoming from me:angel:
I think were all grasping at straws for now:blushing:

 

[tlcya]

Husband just updated me again:
They are swabbing the wall again (Back bedroom wall). They are really concentrating on it it seems!!

looking to see if blood has been cleaned up. Even if bleach was used - they will know something is up - bleach in the area in heavy conentration would suggest cleanup of something, perhaps blood.

speculation pure and simple

 

[bellyup]

I think this is totally believable until... I remember AB's 911 call. Then I just can't help but think he is involved somehow. He was entirely way too calm to have just been told his daughter had been kidnapped.

JMO

IMO this may be explained by the fact that he called family/friends/his boss prior to calling 911. I think he truly felt that someone else had her. It was obvious that there were people that didnt want Zahra around EB.

 

[nobodyspecial]

I have not caught up yet, so forgive me for posting. I did watch NG, tho.

If the woodchipper was used, the wood chips being propelled out would more or less act as 'cleaning' agent on the inside of the chipper. However; it would not keep blood from maybe being on parts of the engine.

Just a theory and MOO, but I want to know if there was a chest type freezer in the house. Forgive me, but could Zahara's body have been frozen before someone attempted to put it through the chipper? It make it somewhat easier to feed into the chipper. I just have a sinking feeling that this could have been what has happened. Then, the person realized that they could not finish that job there in the back yard and did dispose of the other parts in different areas?

It is JMHO about the wood chipper, the theory, and the body having been frozen. I also believe that the glove is a part of the evidence as well.

I am thinking that LE was using luminol in the house tonight. If LE had been usung luminol in the house this afternoon, blackout material would have been placed over the windows and reporters would have noticed that, IMO. Tonight, the blackout material would have still been used, but the reporters would not notice as much. At one point tonight on NG, the reporter stated that the lights were off except for one room in the back.

I am not wanting to upset anyone with having written any of this. It is just my opinion of what may have happened, and I have a sinking, strong feeling it could very well have happened.

I feel that there IS evidence in the back yard as well as several other places. I have such a feeling of contempt and disgust for both EB and AB. I am not supposed to hate, but I am afraid I do hate whomever is responsible for murdering (IMO) little Zahra.

May GB the Gma and people who did love brave little Zahra. I have a feeling what happened to her is beyond even horrific. I have a titanium plate w/screws in my neck and it has identifying numbers on it. LE can comfirm the prosthetic leg when they are given those identifying numbers.

I have been here for some time since early on and have just not posted very much because this is so sickening to me.

One last thing - I do not think AB should be out and about. I know his right to bond, but I feel he is complicit in one of the most horrific murders in recent time. I also feel there may be at least one more person involved in addition to EB and AB.

Sorry for the interruption in the flow. I started to post this theory earlier on and did not because it is just so sickening and depraved. I have made myself sick even posting this post. I am going back to catch up now.

GB little Zahra's soul.

JMO

Sadly, I think you're are probably right.

I think the concentration on that one wall is significant in this, as it would nudge towards a cod. I'm thinking blood spray is present. It would make sense to store her first, and explains the many hits here and there, etc.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

NG's show is now uploading to my YT channel. It should take about 30 minutes for the 6 parts to complete uploading and processing.

http://www/youtube.com/Sierra1947

Yay Patty!! :Crown:

 

[Kat]

Thanks, Amanda-- I just read the bio mom's comment in your album, and can totally understand her position. Most people figure the mom out of the picture means only one thing. It does not. The fact that she mentions her own night terrors and eleven years of being marginalized, or as she says it, her life being irrelevant, well, I get it. I feel very sad for her and her family, and how they have been shut out of Zahra's life. Like Zahra, she did not deserve for things to end this way. Very sad.

So beautifully said grayjay.

Often, the anger about a missing child is palpable on these threads. Rightly so.

But IMHO we have a duty as members here and a moral responsibility to not let our anger and frustration at the situation appear as if it is directed at a family member who had no direct hand in the death of any missing person. It is a fact that whatever we post is likely to remain on WS or the internet for a very very long time. Words said in haste have the potential to inflict pain and suffering for family members who had no direct involvement of the crime(s). That's why we are reminded to post "responsibly" by the mods and admin of WS frequently.

I have seen parents marginalized. I think we see it every single days of our lives if we look. I personally see Father's marginalized everday in their children's lifes. (divorces, children born out of marriage to the father) etc...It hurts that parent as much as the child IMHO.

My prayers are with Zahra's Mother. Her Grandparents. Her extended family. Her community. Thanks for bringing this up grayjay. Food for thought before we post.

JMHO

 

[MandyLeigh]

I am so thankful for today. We didn't get Z back but we now have her leg, her mattress, EB talking and LE going through Z's house and yard with a fine toothed comb. Things are still moving in the right direction.

Thank you to LE for not giving up on this little girl. For keeping your information close and not letting anything leak. For not jumping the gun and arresting anyone until it's right. For making sure when this goes to court nothing is thrown out. For having a heart and showing us your emotion. For digging in the garbage with your bare hands for a girl you never met.

My best wishes go to them and my heart to Z for her return. :rose:

 

[PunKnLuV]

Slightly O/T, but this is one of my favorite things about WS (aside from all the terrific work that goes on here, of course). Potential "real-life" friendships forming definitely makes me smile admist all the sadness and frustration from today's findings. Thanks again Sherlock & Punkn (and Mr. Punkn) and all the other locals for the tremendous work you've done. =) In my little dreamworld, you guys meet up at the house, hit it off, and unwind over cold beverages once this is all over. Heck, I'd buy if I lived closer.

I totally agree! Drinks would be awesome

 

[sherbetjello]

Question, is there a window on the wall that they are combing over with lights?
Thanks.