NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #35

[Nana46]

eh......msm link. No. Like I said it was either JVM or NG, we discussed it at the time on the thread. It was a reporter from the Hickory newspaper that said it......so that's all I have.

I heard that also Teh!

 

[tlcya]

rut roh, I should add a disclaimer in my siggy. "teh is alot of things, but not a good example" :angel: ok, swearz, last ot post. lol.

don't you dare touch that siggy, the hink stink tells it all

 

[MissJames]

Just some random thoughts running through my head. I haven't been able to keep up with every page of every thread but I have been popping in and out throughout - so please forgive if these questions have been discussed ad nauseum.

1) If AB last saw Zahra @ 2:30 am on the night of the fire - sleeping in her bed then:
a) wouldn't she have awakened from the flashing lights of the fire dept and response vehicles?
b) would she actually take the time to put on her prosthetic leg when she was so adept at crutches? Seems to me, speculating here, that if she were jumping up out of bed to go and see what was going on with the lights flashing through her bedroom window - she would go with the quickest and easiest to grab and go.
c) just speculating another idea here - but what if someone standing outside watching the fire dept. response grabbed Zahra - maybe someone that EB owed money to for nefarious reasons? EB may have known about it and tried to cover up with the ransom note?
d) i still cannot get past the fact that AB said Zahra had been feeling sick and he just left her alone when she didn't feel good. The reports from the people in the hospital in Oz that interacted with AB and Zahra's Grandma said they were very present in her life during the cancer(s). Why would AB "leave her alone" now when she is sick - but be at her bedside w/his mother when she was in the hospital?

Would love to hear your comments on some of these ideas. Maybe we can spark discussions.

1 a.....I think Zahra has been gone for quite awhile.The 2:30 am time is just a cover story. IMO EB and AB knew something was coming up that would expose Zahra was missing. Maybe a family member coming over or a DSS visit or someone checking on the homeschooling. I don't know what,but something made them realize "we need to come up with a story".JMO

b......again,Zahra was gone before the fire. She never woke up and put her leg on to see what was going on.The fire was part of the cover up for her disappearence.

c........No one else has seen Zahra for weeks prior to the fire.

d........Drugs change people. They do things they would never have considered before. Besides,I think that's also part of the cover story.He didn't leave her, she was already gone.

IMO the reason none of the scenarios described make sense is because they aren't true.Something horrible happened to Zahra at the hands of the people who were supposed to love and protect her.

 

[ynotdivein]

To get us in the mindset for tomorrow's grand jury proceedings...

http://public.findlaw.com/abaflg/flg-15-2b-6.html

"They do not have to agree unanimously to issue an indictment, though state law often requires a vote of two-thirds or three-quarters of the jurors to indict."

"...Nor is a judge usually present during grand jury sessions, since normal rules of evidence don't apply in grand jury proceedings, making the role of the prosecutor all the more important."

And from http://law.onecle.com/north-carolina/15a-criminal-procedure-act/15a-623.html (North Carolina General Statutes § 15A-623 Grand jury proceedings and operation in general):

"(a) The finding of an indictment, the return of a presentment, and every other affirmative official action or decision of the grand jury requires the concurrence of at least 12 members of the grand jury."

"(f) The presiding judge may direct that a bill of indictment be kept secret until the defendant is arrested or appears before the court. The clerk must seal the bill of indictment and no person including a witness may disclose the finding of the bill of indictment, or the proceedings leading to the finding, except when necessary for the issuance and execution of an order of arrest."

 

[RoseTree]

I have worked with abused and neglected children and families for about 10 years (with a 2 year break to have 2 babies). In the last year, I have moved into an assessment role, and I gather information about families into a report, write recommendations, etc..

One thing that I am consistently finding is parents who would never do such a thing, used to be so commited, etc.... who became addicted to prescription drugs. In some families, it is multigenerational. Somehow, it removes their ability to prioritize their children.

It is my assumption that the father who doted on his sick child, has fallen into this. But that is just my opinion.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

I'm missing something...(and I know alot of you wise arses are really wanting to pop off about know but shhhhh....lol) What would finding out you saw her for the hearing aid help us with?

Well, I for one would like if these are "in fact" Zahra's hearing aids that were found at the home.
I always found it odd that the hearing aids were there, but the prosthetic leg wasn't.

I also think it would be helpful to know if she went back for a follow-up, which is typically, a routine requirement.

But..this is just my opinion...

 

[tlcya]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hickory_Daily_Record[/ame]

So, here is the link showing staff at the daily record and John Miller's credentials as Editor of same.

Miller on NG saying boss Coffey has son is confirmation enough for me.

Stick a fork in it, its done.

ETA many thanks wfgodot!

 

[coopzoo]

WELCOME to WS, Rose!

 

[Oriah]

Well, I for one would like if these are "in fact" Zahra's hearing aids that were found at the home.
I always found it odd that the hearing aids were there, but the prosthetic leg wasn't.

I also think it would be helpful to know if she went back for a follow-up, which is typically, a routine requirement.

But..this is just my opinion...

Clarification on medical attention in the US, and ID on the hearing aids.

http://starkey.com/find-a-professional/Locations?zipcode=28217&state=

 

[RoseTree]

Thanks!

 

[tlcya]

welcom Rose, look forward to more of your thoughts in the days to come. As one who does assessments your experience will add a lot of good insights into things.

 

[tehcloser]

Well, I for one would like if these are "in fact" Zahra's hearing aids that were found at the home.
I always found it odd that the hearing aids were there, but the prosthetic leg wasn't.

I also think it would be helpful to know if she went back for a follow-up, which is typically, a routine requirement.

But..this is just my opinion...

Oh ok, Thank you. A follow up. That's why I ask I was not getting it! :blushing: With HIPPA laws won't that be hard to find out or no?

 

[rbrnmw2]

don't you dare touch that siggy, the hink stink tells it all

I so totally agree leave the siggy teh

 

[vjlaw]

Well, I for one would like if these are "in fact" Zahra's hearing aids that were found at the home.
I always found it odd that the hearing aids were there, but the prosthetic leg wasn't.

I also think it would be helpful to know if she went back for a follow-up, which is typically, a routine requirement.

But..this is just my opinion...

I wondered if the hearing aids had fallen out when Zahra was being moved and it wasn't noticed at the time. Just a thought, even though probably not a good one.

 

[Oriah]

Oh ok, Thank you. A follow up. That's why I ask I was not getting it! :blushing: With HIPPA laws won't that be hard to find out or no?

Working around HIPPA to see who was publically volunteering at the event she received the hearing aids.

Pasting again- these people know:
http://starkey.com/find-a-professional/Locations?zipcode=28217&state

ETA: widen the window of dealers. They know who they sell to.

 

[tehcloser]

I hate to say this.....but my first thought on the hearing aid being left was it was probably something they thought they could sell.

 

[docwho3]

A "redheaded, pot smoking" one, ideed. Why would the writer of the note (whom we now know to be EB, by her own admission) feel the need to be so specific? Does the boss have more than 1 son? Again, we see far too much additional, irrelevent information being doled out, and whenever I see that, I want to know why. EB wants the reader to know exactly who she is talking about, and to insert the idea that this person has a connection to drugs. What isn't clear to me is WHY she wants the reader to know this info.

Since we now have the benefit of knowing that Zahra may well have been 'missing' for
much longer than her family wanted the world to know, it would seem likely that
the 'ransom note' was something that both parents(I use the term loosely)
took quite some time to think up and to discuss as it was being composed and written.
My guess is that they wanted all clues in the note to point investigators in any
direction other than looking at Zahra's family.

'Pot smoking' would lead to looking at any possible drug connections to the landlords family.
'Red headed' might indeed lead one to think of the phrase 'red headed step child'
which might be an attempt to imply the landlord's child was not legitimate and thus
lead investigators to look into the landlord's love life etc.

Any wrong information in the note would be intended to make investigators
think that the writer was not someone local and thus not someone close to Zahra's family.

A ransom note itself might be intended to keep investigators thinking about finding
a child that was alive when she left the vicinity of Zahra's family and thus avoid the intense
searching for evidence of a murder in & around the home that is in fact going on
now (according to news reports I watched last night.)

In short, I think the note was an attempt to control & shift the focus of the investigation.

 

[tehcloser]

Working around HIPPA to see who was publically volunteering at the event she received the hearing aids.

Pasting again- these people know:
http://starkey.com/find-a-professional/Locations?zipcode=28217&state=

And this is a perfect example of why you should always ask a "dumb question", because you just never know what you may learn. lol. Thanks Oriah!

 

[agathawannabe]

sorry teh, I wasn't arguing, was actually trying to back you up, just not as successfuly as I would have like, lol

and I agree, sometimes the need for specificity drives me to distraction!

Here's a screenshot that might help. I've redacted to take out things like address information I haven't seen released in the media.

http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/awws_photos/zbcase/?action=view&current=mc_ab-boss.jpg

Caveat: I have found unreliable info at the source in the screenshot before.. so this is "FWIW".

But maybe it helps keep this topic from going in more circles.

 

[tehcloser]

Since we now have the benefit of knowing that Zahra may well have been 'missing' for
much longer than her family wanted the world to know, it would seem likely that
the 'ransom note' was something that both parents(I use the term loosely)
took quite some time to think up and to discuss as it was being composed and written.
My guess is that they wanted all clues in the note to point investigators in any
direction other than looking at Zahra's family.

'Pot smoking' would lead to looking at any possible drug connections to the landlords family.
'Red headed' might indeed lead one to think of the phrase 'red headed step child'
which might be an attempt to imply the landlord's child was not legitimate and thus
lead investigators to look into the landlord's love life etc.

Any wrong information in the note would be intended to make investigators
think that the writer was not someone local and thus not someone close to Zahra's family.

A ransom note itself might be intended to keep investigators thinking about finding
a child that was alive when she left the vicinity of Zahra's family and thus avoid the intense
searching for evidence of a murder in & around the home that is in fact going on
now (according to news reports I watched last night.)

In short, I think the note was an attempt to control & shift the focus of the investigation.

BBM

Excellent point!