NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #41

[MandyLeigh]

Depends on when huntin season starts there and what is commonly hunted in the area of the prosthetic/bone find.

How about it locals, anyone know when hunting seaon begins for various critters? Was there any hunting open for any sort of game around the month Z disappeared?

I tried to do some digging and so far all I can find is deer season.
http://www.ncdeerhunting.com/


2010-2011 NC deer season

EASTERN DEER SEASON
Bow-and-arrow: Sept. 11 – Oct. 1
Muzzleloader: Oct. 2 – Oct. 15
Gun: Oct. 16 to Jan. 1

CENTRAL DEER SEASON
Bow-and-arrow: Sept. 11 – Oct. 29
Muzzleloader: Oct. 30 – Nov. 12
Gun: Nov. 13 to Jan. 1

NORTHWESTERN DEER SEASON
Bow-and-arrow: Sept. 11 – Nov. 5
Muzzleloader: Nov. 6 – Nov. 19
Gun: Nov. 20 – Jan. 1

 

[tlcya]

What type of animal would frequent that area, especially for discarded carcasses?
Are bears common in the area?

Another question for locals. Do you folks have turkey buzzards? Here in IL we do, I know they do in MO. Not sure about the rest of the country. I do not want to get too far into the scavengers, but they don't need to be bears.

I would rather keep pursuing whether I may be onto something as to why this location was chosen. If it WAS chosen for that reason, then IMO it points to EB, lifelong resident of NC and familiar with territory.

 

[panthera]

I'm guessing it's a whole intact bone then and not just a piece of a bone? If so, it should be easy to see if it is human or animal by anyone who knows the bones in the human body. I wonder what size it is -- toe sized bone? long bone?

That's what I'm trying to figure out by his statement. The way he worded it it does appear to be something that on initial examination was determined to be human. And if so, more than coincidental it wasn't too far from where the prosthesis was found. MOO

 

[tlcya]

tyvm to sunset and Mandy

Does anyone know, whose land is that? Is it park, private, commercially owned? Would bow hunters be out there hunting, or was it just a dumping spot for hunters?

 

[MissJames]

What type of animal would frequent that area, especially for discarded carcasses?
Are bears common in the area?

Not sure if you would consider it common,but yes ,there are black bears there.

 

[panthera]

ty for jumping off my speculation - I agree with the bbm but I am not suggesting she was dumped IN with deer carcases or near them. Just in the area, where people wouldn't think anything of an odor of decomp. If you follow me?

I agree, it would be a good location to mask the odor of a decomposing body, and the timing does fit in with the early part of deer season. MOO

 

[Soul125]

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[tlcya]

You locals should feel so proud of your local LE, and so happy with all the apparent interagency cooperation going on between all the LE agencies involved in this investigation. It really does reflect well on your area.

Last I heard, they were still searching. Bless them, guide their feet and hands I am praying.

 

[Kimmer]

I am way north of the Carolinas and we had a young Mom that went missing recently they found her in a field within 2 weeks and she also had no soft tissue, She was identified by DNA.

 

[lonetraveler]

If Zahra's remains were disposed of in some way in the area near where the prosthetic was found, I would imagine that the person who dumped it there would have knowledge that also in the same general vacinity it is common for hunters to dispose of deer corpses.

Anyone else find that a coincidence? Someone who lived in the area, hunted or had been around hunters in the area enough to know would find that a good location to dispose of a body. MOO

ETA also MOO I haven't hunted since I was a child with my father and uncles but an area that was commonly used to dispose of deer carcases would also be a popular area for scavengers to frequent. For one planning to dispose of human remains they did not want found, it might seem like a very clever place to do just that.

I am still very hopeful that she started out whole there and over time, nature, the elements, native life, etc has dispersed them.

I sincerely think this might finally be it. If the bone is human, I think it is likely we will find our lil gal.

Shania Davis, the five years old little girl sold by her mother for drugs, body was found in an area where deer carcasses were tossed. This helps cover the decomp smell. This horrendous crime was also in North Carolina.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I think I remember that Caylee's body was skeltonized due to the watery dampness in that area, is that right? If water or dampness makes decomposition happen faster, maybe that is why it is just a bone if it was found near that pond? Although, maybe it does have some flesh on it, and the LE is just not divulging all the details?

There can be so many things that can factor in how quickly a body can be skeletonized, I can't find anything that says it would take ___day's, weeks, months, years, etc for that to happen..it just depends..I know that sometimes a body never does, under the right conditions..

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you are right..all we really know is that they found a bone..nothing saying that there isn't any flesh..and imo it could be possible for a single bone to be skeletonized..say if.. (trying not to get to graphic) parts of a body had been separated whether it was by the perp :furious:..or by animals afterwards..Hopefully we will learn more soon...

 

[MissJames]

I think Mark Klass just gave NG a little talkin' too.He said when Polly was still missing there would be reports that her remains were found when it wasn't true.He said it was excruciating and shouldn't be speculated upon,since Zahra's family members may be listening.

 

[lonetraveler]

You locals should feel so proud of your local LE, and so happy with all the apparent interagency cooperation going on between all the LE agencies involved in this investigation. It really does reflect well on your area.

Last I heard, they were still searching. Bless them, guide their feet and hands I am praying.

I agree, the LE in this case have been doing an excellent job. Very proud of them.

 

[imamaze]

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[simlyme]

http://www.ncwildlife.org/hunting/h_season_dates.htm

We are hunters and bow season started here 1st Sat in Oct. (Texas)

The answer for NC is Sept 11th (Bow Season)

My husband is also a NC hunter,this is correct,perfect timing for them to throw Zahra away(if youre that evil)
Shes lived in that neck of the woods almost all of her life,she had to know when hunting season began.
The other thing Ive thought about, could it be possible that they havent used the dogs so much back there because the dogs would have a hard time decifering between animal or human?
I dont know too much about search dogs.

 

[JamaicanMeFrooti]

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[luvmyboys2]

Another question for locals. Do you folks have turkey buzzards? Here in IL we do, I know they do in MO. Not sure about the rest of the country. I do not want to get too far into the scavengers, but they don't need to be bears.

I would rather keep pursuing whether I may be onto something as to why this location was chosen. If it WAS chosen for that reason, then IMO it points to EB, lifelong resident of NC and familiar with territory.

Yes there are black bear and turkey buzzards. Had two Black Bear in our yard up there last Oct./Nov.

 

[lonetraveler]

Another question for locals. Do you folks have turkey buzzards? Here in IL we do, I know they do in MO. Not sure about the rest of the country. I do not want to get too far into the scavengers, but they don't need to be bears.

I would rather keep pursuing whether I may be onto something as to why this location was chosen. If it WAS chosen for that reason, then IMO it points to EB, lifelong resident of NC and familiar with territory.

I know that we have Turkey Buzzards here in southeastern North Carolina so probably are in the western part as well.

 

[lonetraveler]

My husband is also a NC hunter,this is correct,perfect timing for them to throw Zahra away(if youre that evil)
Shes lived in that neck of the woods almost all of her life,she had to know when hunting season began.
The other thing Ive thought about, could it be possible that they havent used the dogs so much back there because the dogs would have a hard time decifering between animal or human?
I dont know too much about search dogs.

Deer hunting season with deer rifles began in mid Oct. before then, black powder and bow season.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Another question for locals. Do you folks have turkey buzzards? Here in IL we do, I know they do in MO. Not sure about the rest of the country. I do not want to get too far into the scavengers, but they don't need to be bears.

I would rather keep pursuing whether I may be onto something as to why this location was chosen. If it WAS chosen for that reason, then IMO it points to EB, lifelong resident of NC and familiar with territory.

I don't know the difference between the types of buzzards..but oh yes..we have buzzards..Usually if you see them circling..there is a dead animal close by..