Found Deceased ND - Savanna Lafontaine-Greywind, 22, pregnant, Fargo, 19 Aug 2017 #1 *Arrests*

[Spellbound]

one crazy question for everyone
how did the baby possibly survive this psychotic "surgery"
I cannot imagine a normal person performing a c section in an emergency and baby surviving let alone drug addict psychopaths.

Ugh.... I did a google search and there are directions to be found for a home c-section if you want to look. I barely glanced.... I don't want that image in my head. What I already "see" is enough.

 

[Oregonmama]

one crazy question for everyone
how did the baby possibly survive this psychotic "surgery"
I cannot imagine a normal person performing a c section in an emergency and baby surviving let alone drug addict psychopaths.

It has been done before. Can not remember the name but a long time ago, a pregnant woman was murdered when she answered a craigslist ad for baby clothes at a person's home. a woman did a quick c section after she murdered the mother.

http://ktla.com/2015/03/18/police-stranger-stabs-pregnant-woman-in-colorado-removes-her-baby/

 

[perfectingpink]

Thank you.

Yes, grid searches are being done along the Red River in and around Trollwood park. Items will be marked and not disturbed, and teams are communicating with cell phones at the very least. Organizers were trying to round up some radios. At least one member of each "group" was designated as the one who would call out or mark evidence. It was less organized when I first got there, but professionals had shown up from several organizations by the time I had to leave, most of them donating their time.


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There is an app that makes it so your phone is essentially a walkie talkie. Does anyone remember the name of it?

 

[Normancita]

one crazy question for everyone
how did the baby possibly survive this psychotic "surgery"
I cannot imagine a normal person performing a c section in an emergency and baby surviving let alone drug addict psychopaths.

Are they drug addicts???

I must have missed that info!


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[Stickdino]

There is an app that makes it so your phone is essentially a walkie talkie. Does anyone remember the name of it?

Some members of the search party were using Voxer.


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[whitelilac]

Sickdino....what are the conditions of that river there? Fast flowing, placid, full of debris, deep etc? Is that river easily accessible by road?

tia

 

[ann1989]

I have a question about something that no one has brought up. Wouldn't they have had to get the baby out of Savanna right if away if they killed her first in order for the baby to survive? Like I don't think they would have killed then waited til later to get that child out of her otherwise wouldn't the baby have died due to the Mom no longer be alive supplying oxygen and stuff to the baby?

Yes!

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[whitelilac]

Sickdino....what are the conditions of that river there? Fast flowing, placid, full of debris, deep etc? Is that river easily accessible by road?

any LE boats on the river?

tia

 

[Stickdino]

Sickdino....what are the conditions of that river there? Fast flowing, placid, full of debris, deep etc? Is that river easily accessible by road?

any LE boats on the river?

tia

The Red River through Fargo varies as far as depth and how fast some of the channels move, but throughout the river 2 things are consistent. It is absolutely filled with lots of natural debris and it is very muddy. In fact, in most areas it is hard to stand on the bank of the river unless there is a dock or some time of rock approach because you will sink. In the Trollwood area, it "snakes" a lot and there are several smaller tributaries and "lagoons" as well as a lot of dead trees both on the banks and in the river. It is a challenging search area, but not incredibly large. The current is slower there then it is just a mile upstream. There are many trails and paths you can use to access the river, some of which a vehicle could get to.


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[Stickdino]

Sickdino....what are the conditions of that river there? Fast flowing, placid, full of debris, deep etc? Is that river easily accessible by road?

any LE boats on the river?

tia

And yes, LE has been searching that stretch of the river daily since Sunday I believe.


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[Tbone144]

Can you YouTube how to cesarean deliver a baby? Without a medical background I can't imagine thinking you can cut a child out and have it survive. Even animal births have to be sensitive to not lose the mom and babies. If it's true you have 3 min (not saying it's not) after the mom dies that doesn't leave a lot of time for a first time "let's cut this open". I would think you would need medical knowledge or practice.

20+ years ago I lived in that area and went to school (Go Bison).You would drive back and forth between state lines without even thinking about it. They are good people, everyone will search. I hope this goes federal. I've hiked many miles in the state park indicated. Granted it was along time ago but there are lots of areas to hide a body but only with premeditation.

I boarded my horse in the area. There is lots of land to plot to hide but one would need preplan and dig. Not impossible but I don't think you are going to be able to dispose of anyone in a manure pile. Most barns watch the comings and goings and someone would have said something. No one will harbor a murder IMO. Farm fields seem like a good option, something unmonitored.

No offense but they don't seem particularly bright. Having the baby in the apt after police searches to me says they are low on the bright light scale. Keep it simple, they didn't think things through, as much as they thought they did. They thought after being searched three times it was safe to bring an infant in and the neighbors would be cool with it.

The river seems most likely, in pieces IMO.

 

[Chawnchawn33]

I'm interested in some info. I live near Buffalo state park and we have a search party gathering tomorrow to help

 

[Oregonmama]

Can you YouTube how to cesarean deliver a baby? Without a medical background I can't imagine thinking you can cut a child out and have it survive. Even animal births have to be sensitive to not lose the mom and babiss. If it's true you have 3 min (not saying it's not) after the mom dies that doesn't leave a lot of time for a first time "let's cut this open". I would think you would need medical knowledge or practice.

20+ years ago I lived in that area and went to school (Go Bison).You would drive back and forth between state lines without even thinking about it. They are good people, everyone will search. I hope this goes federal. I've hiked many miles in the state park indicated. Granted it was along time ago but there are lots of areas to hide a body but only with premeditation.

I boarded my horse in the area. There is lots of land to plot to hide but one would need preplan and dig. Not impossible but I don't think you are going to be able to dispose of anyone in a manure pile. Most barns watch the comings and goings and someone would have said something. No one will harbor a murder IMO. Farm fields seem like a good option, something unmonitored.

No offense but they don't seem particularly bright. Having the baby in the apt after police searches to me says they are low on the bright light scale. Keep it simple, they didn't think things through, as much as they thought they did. They thought after being searched three times it was safe to bring an infant in and the neighbors would be cool with it.

The river seems most likely, in pieces IMO.

a woman with no knowledge has done this before in another case.

http://ktla.com/2015/03/18/police-stranger-stabs-pregnant-woman-in-colorado-removes-her-baby/
http://ktla.com/2015/03/18/police-stranger-stabs-pregnant-woman-in-colorado-removes-her-baby/

 

[SadInFargo]

I am a avid hunter. Latex gloves are pretty useless for gutting any animal.
Most prefer much thicker gloves. No hunter I know would have lye, especially 2 bags.

After driving around the north side, the only place I can see that would be private enough is Trollwood and the river banks.
Trollwood is much more vehicle friendly and the river banks are not accessible by car except the bridge area.
Stopping near the bridge in a car would look suspicious.

Trollwood would be the logical area.

A friend is FPD, and usually he has a little info for me that he can share.
When I asked him about this he changed the subject immediately, which was odd for him but understandable.

 

[mrkyle]

Are they drug addicts???

I must have missed that info!


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The guy has been busted,for drugs in the past
They both look old for there ages
Girl has used alias

 

[Henry2326]

"The river seems most likely, in pieces IMO."

I don't think so....She is a relatively tiny person...really no need. This wasn't the greatest plan. Still can't believe the evil in the world. I guess I'm always hoping for better....



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[SadInFargo]

I have a medical background. Performing a cesarean without regard for the mothers health is simple.
Even these monsters could do it with a quick google image search.
They probably would not have risked doing it within 3 minutes so I am assuming it was performed while Savanna was alive.
She may have died due to the damage inflicted to her during the "procedure".

This stuff is hard to even type.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

They need to find out if this deranged couple has a storage facility rented anywhere. Many people that live in apartments do, for their stuff that won't fit in an apartment.
If this was a planned thing, they could have set up a (for lack of a better term) delivery chamber in a storage facility. They could even have possibly left her there alive.
Do we know for sure the baby was delivered by C-section? Could they have somehow have gotten their hands on some drug that would induce labor?
Just thoughts...

 

[Stickdino]

I am a avid hunter. Latex gloves are pretty useless for gutting any animal.
Most prefer much thicker gloves. No hunter I know would have lye, especially 2 bags.

After driving around the north side, the only place I can see that would be private enough is Trollwood and the river banks.
Trollwood is much more vehicle friendly and the river banks are not accessible by car except the bridge area.
Stopping near the bridge in a car would look suspicious.

Trollwood would be the logical area.

A friend is FPD, and usually he has a little info for me that he can share.
When I asked him about this he changed the subject immediately, which was odd for him but understandable.

The gloves are curious for sure. And yes lye would be odd, but I grew up on a farm in SD and when livestock would die we had a pit where they would go and lye would be used to speed up the process. I've known poachers to do the same.

Trollwood, without question, is the most logical place on the north side. For me, its either Trollwood, or a close building nearby (based on what neighbors were saying today).

Do you get a sense from your FPD friend that he knows more?


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[mrkyle]

a woman with no knowledge has done this before in another case.

http://ktla.com/2015/03/18/police-stranger-stabs-pregnant-woman-in-colorado-removes-her-baby/
http://ktla.com/2015/03/18/police-stranger-stabs-pregnant-woman-in-colorado-removes-her-baby/

Bad example the baby did not survive

Kinda what we were saying