Found Deceased ND - Savanna Lafontaine-Greywind, 22, pregnant, Fargo, 19 Aug 2017 #1 *Arrests*

[katikaboom]

She has at least 3 kids herself-she seems to have babies and then leave.

 

[cnmccarthy]

The internet being what it is, there's tons of info for any normal person searching for things and sadly there's also tons of info for any psycho searching for anything.

If I were a lunabiscuit searching for ways to perform a c-section at home, not only would I find a site that told me how to do it, I'd be stupid enough (remember, I'm a lunabiscuit) to believe I could actually do it.

Since LE has already confiscated all electronic devices, I'm going to *assume* later msm articles are going to include search history garbage that had something to do with giving birth at home. And, those searches will be from BC's home pc/laptop/phone.

moo...

this was 100% "her" idea, and WH went along with it, not really knowing what her long term plans were. More than likely, he'll be the first one to roll on her with LE.

Lunabiscuit [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] my new word of the day.

 

[Rocco]

It's a "answer these questions to read me" article

Here are some of the highlights:

'Court records from Florida, Minnesota and North Dakota show Crews has had children by at least five men. Two of the men, including Edwards, and her eldest child, who's now in her mid-20s, sued her for child support.'




'She seemed to have settled down a few years ago after giving birth to her youngest children, now 12 and 14, and marrying their father, Carl Crews of Perham, Minn. Court records show they divorced in 2008, and there was a dispute over her paying child support in 2015 when the court noted she was "voluntarily unemployed."




'Crews started dating Hoehn around 2014, and it seemed to have been a stormy relationship, according to court records.

In May 2016, not long after they moved into the apartment they were living in until their arrest, police reported they had a fight that led to Hoehn throwing her into the bathtub. He pleaded guilty to simple assault and was ordered by the court to have no contact with Crews.

Police came to their apartment again six months later after hearing of a disturbance there and found Hoehn with Crews. He pleaded guilty to violating a no-contact order.'

 

[JetsFan24]

I grew up on a diary farm and we did the same with the pit and lye. Occasionally burning the pit with diesel fuel. Nasty.

He absolutely knows more. I got the feeling that they have good information.
He is usually a little edgy when things look grim, but he seemed pretty relaxed considering the circumstances.

This is very interesting. Does this calm and relaxed feelings given you the idea that this was possibly a natural birth and they simply left her out somewhere? Unless he is to simply believe that this is a recovery effort....

 

[1&2&3]

If the police had surveillance on the apartment building, I wonder if it was by cameras or live people watching?

My reason for asking is if it were live people watching, then it seems they would have followed BC any time she went out with a large basket or suitcase to see where she was going and maybe discover what was in the item she carried in and out.

Also, LE could have put a GPS tracker on both of their cars to keep track of their movements. I believe that takes a court order, however, under the circumstances, I feel sure getting one would not have been a problem.

Wonder if any of this was done and if so, has it provided them with information?

 

[perfectingpink]

Update on condition of baby found after disappearance of pregnant woman

Family tells us on Friday night the name of the baby girl is Hainsley Jo.

Cass County Social Services cannot comment on the status of Hainsley Jo, but we do know the agency has custody of her.

http://www.wday.com/news/4318008-update-condition-baby-found-after-disappearance-pregnant-woman

 

[perfectingpink]

Help Bring Savanna Home
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1663316423701474/

 

[Dalagali]

They need to find out if this deranged couple has a storage facility rented anywhere. Many people that live in apartments do, for their stuff that won't fit in an apartment.
If this was a planned thing, they could have set up a (for lack of a better term) delivery chamber in a storage facility. They could even have possibly left her there alive.
Do we know for sure the baby was delivered by C-section? Could they have somehow have gotten their hands on some drug that would induce labor?
Just thoughts...

Giving someone drugs to induce labor still can make for a time-consuming process. I think it must have been a c- section.


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[SadInFargo]

This is very interesting. Does this calm and relaxed feelings given you the idea that this was possibly a natural birth and they simply left her out somewhere? Unless he is to simply believe that this is a recovery effort....

No. I think he was more relaxed because they had evidence of the murder.
He is edgy when the pieces are not all fit together. More relaxed when they are solved.
I don't think natural birth is on the table anymore unfortunately. Praying that I am wrong though.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Giving someone drugs to induce labor still can make for a time-consuming process. I think it must have been a c- section.


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Right, but weren't there several days between when she went missing and when the baby was found? IIRC, they are not sure what day the baby was born, is that right?
Maybe I am misunderstanding the timeline? Even breaking her water may have induced birth. I guess I am just hoping that she is still alive somewhere, and if they did a rudimentary C-section on her I sadly do not believe she is still alive.

 

[whitelilac]

from the link:

"According to Medical Experts, if a pregnant woman dies, there is a window of four minutes to get a baby delivered."

 

[Katharine]

After reading the article on the children of both Hoehn and Crews and some of their dysfunctional background why would either of them want any more children. It does not make any logical sense. It is frustrating since the baby daughter was so wanted by her parents and extended family....into a nurturing and loving real home environment that these 2 could obviously never provide.

 

[Rocco]

Family expresses frustration with police efforts finding missing Fargo woman, organizes own searches

http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...rts-finding-missing-fargo-woman-organizes-own

Good for them!

 

[MsMarple]

Family expresses frustration with police efforts finding missing Fargo woman, organizes own searches

http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...rts-finding-missing-fargo-woman-organizes-own

Good for them!

The poor family has been through hell and Savanna's still missing. :tears: At least the baby girl seems to be doing well:

At last check the baby is healthy and is doing well at the Sanford Medical Center, and is in the custody of Cass County Social Services. With the baby being in protective custody, the family has not been able to see her, but a spokeswoman for the family said “they’re working with the people that they need to, to get the proper red tape cleared.”

But the family is still dealing with unnecessary stuff:

Today family and community members were in Trollwood searching for signs of Savanna, but her mother, sister, and boyfriend were not there. The family spokeswoman says a woman claiming to want to help with fundraising has been harassing them and calling Savanna’s boyfriend nonstop. Because of this, and other incidents, the family is currently communicating with the public and media through their spokeswoman to allow them privacy and distance.

What is wrong with people? Anyway, the family says an official fund is being set up and is expected to be ready for donations by Monday. No current funds on sites like are run by the family.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/conte...g-to-see-infant-found-Thursday-441794613.html

ETA: looks like someone put up a campaign on a couple of days ago. According to the above article it is not sanctioned by the family.

 

[AliceInPain]

I am so sad. This will not end well.

 

[Elainera]

After reading the article on the children of both Hoehn and Crews and some of their dysfunctional background why would either of them want any more children. It does not make any logical sense. It is frustrating since the baby daughter was so wanted by her parents and extended family....into a nurturing and loving real home environment that these 2 could obviously never provide.

It makes no sense. smh

Also I wonder, if she did want more children why didn't she get pregnant herself? She's done it before, it's not like she couldn't have children or something. Why this jump to such an unspeakable crime? Was she maybe jealous of Savanna and the primary idea was to kill her, the snatching of the baby was more like an afterthought?

 

[Elainera]

I also want to thank the locals who joined here and shared their thoughts and knowledge of the area and situation.

It's wonderful you are joining the search efforts on the ground too! Great job!

Hopefully Savanna is coming home soon.

 

[Rocco]

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He was convicted of abusing a son, not a daughter.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...sed-kidnapping-have-least-9-kids-between-them

In 2011, when the younger of his two children was a baby, Hoehn brought him to a Grand Forks hospital where doctors found fractures in his skull near his right ear. Law enforcement officials determined the fractures couldn't have been caused by an accident or medical condition and charged Hoehn with child abuse.

 

[Snoods]

He was convicted of abusing a son, not a daughter.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...sed-kidnapping-have-least-9-kids-between-them

In 2011, when the younger of his two children was a baby, Hoehn brought him to a Grand Forks hospital where doctors found fractures in his skull near his right ear. Law enforcement officials determined the fractures couldn't have been caused by an accident or medical condition and charged Hoehn with child abuse.

Okay, thanks, I corrected my original post. I'm going to try and find the original video.

 

[Gardener1850]

This is most likely unrelated because of the distance, but the FBI is investigating a female body found in UT on Aug 23 under suspicious circumstances and the Bureau of Indian Affairs is involved. I can't stop wondering if this could be Savanna, even though it's over 1000 miles and about 17 hours drive from Fargo.

http://fox13now.com/2017/08/25/fbi-...r-body-found-on-road-outside-small-utah-town/

Distance between cities: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Far...012705e8d2ed0!2m2!1d-109.9307062!2d40.4680114

Thread for the woman found in Whiterocks, UT: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Homicide-of-Woman-near-Whiterocks-23-Aug-2017