ND ND - Thomas 'Tom' Bearson, 19, Fargo, 20 Sep 2014 #1

[LoyalSleuth]

Would being thrown out of a car that is moving quickly on a gravel road cause homicidal violent injuries?


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[Scottish_Rite]

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26601144/police-still-searching-clues-teens-death

4 interesting points in the article:

1. Firefighters indeed assisted with ladders to provide aerial view

2. RV shop owner won't say as to whether or not she has security cams

3. The RVs are generally kept unlocked. (Maybe kids like to sneak into these to party?)

4. Moorhead police chief confirms that, at the time, it was unclear as to whether death was foul play, but also admits to "suspicious increments.:

 

[kelso319]

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26601144/police-still-searching-clues-teens-death

4 interesting points in the article:

1. Firefighters indeed assisted with ladders to provide aerial view

2. RV shop owner won't say as to whether or not she has security cams

3. The RVs are generally kept unlocked. (Maybe kids like to sneak into these to party?)

4. Moorhead police chief confirms that, at the time, it was unclear as to whether death was foul play, but also admits to "suspicious increments.:

What would be the point of declining to confirm whether or not you have cameras present if you didn't have cameras? I feel like declining to confirm that just says there are cameras present which LE is gathering evidence from but they specifically asked her not to release this info publicly so as not to jeopardize the investigation. Nothing else seems to be a logical explanation. JMO.

 

[Confusion]

What would be the point of declining to confirm whether or not you have cameras present if you didn't have cameras? I feel like declining to confirm that just says there are cameras present which LE is gathering evidence from but they specifically asked her not to release this info publicly so as not to jeopardize the investigation. Nothing else seems to be a logical explanation. JMO.

Maybe they're afraid there will be more theft/vandalism if everybody knows there are no cameras there? MOO

 

[overclockedgirl]

A couple days after the incident, CM tweeted, "For everyone's information, Tom was at our house after the tweet they put on the news was posted. Still a serious situation though."

After being asked by somebody if TB left CM's house with anyone, CM replied, "not that I know of. He did mention maybe going somewhere with some baseball players but I'm not sure."

Hmm, come to think of it, since CM is roommates with JW, it's pretty clear that CM would have in all likelihood known if TB left with JW. Most probably, TB left alone or got picked up.

I'm glad you brought up the baseball players thing again, I keep forgetting about that.

The tweets have someone who says he was one of the "last 3 people" To see TB at the party. There seem to be a lot of people who say TB was at that party. If this person was one of the last (This person is acting awfully innocent to me), then who are the other two? CM who owns the house is acting pretty innocent imho too. So who are those last two people? If one of them is JW, I am definitely more suspicious of him because of the previous tweet. There is someone else who I think left the house earlier to pick up TB with JW in the first place, and if that is the other person then I'm REALLY suspicious. Only that person who made that tweet "one of the last 3" would know that information I guess. My current thoughts, which seem to change like every time I look at this forum

 

[overclockedgirl]

So there is a lot of stuff that has caught my eye on social media (which I can't post on here), much of which probably doesn't even have anything to do with the case but you just never know. Which got me thinking, I wonder what tools criminologists use to analyze this stuff? Is there some special software you can use to look at connections between people, like for ex. seeing on twitter mutual friends between people, who twitters who the most, etc. Does anyone know the name of any such special software or website that can make those types of connections?

EDIT: Just saw this program called "UCINET" Has anyone ever used it? It looks like there was a uni class on it somewhere just over a year ago so hopefully it's not TOO outdated? It looks like there's a trial version, I'm definitely trying this out! Anyone know of anything better?

EDIT: FALSE fail UCINET looks like more for just regular social networks not social media, not exactly what I was looking for. I have no clue what I'm doing here, hoping someone else knows more. I did just download "twitterinvestigator" and that looks more promising.

 

[kelso319]

Maybe they're afraid there will be more theft/vandalism if everybody knows there are no cameras there? MOO

Well now it seems completely legit. Damn. I was really hoping.

 

[Northstar]

I live in the country outside of Moorhead and drive by Larry's every day on my way to work in Fargo via the Interstate. You can easily see Larry's from the Interstate and there is quick and easy access on/off the Interstate there. I bet I could easily exit the Interstate, drive to Larry's, walk around the fence, and get back on the Interstate in 10 minutes in the wee hours of the morning. My personal feeling is that the location is a quick and easy dump site off the Interstate with no residences nearby. I also think it's plausible that the RV site was chosen with the intention of hiding the body in an RV (as a previous poster/s suggested) and was interrupted. The industrial park has really been developing in that area in recent years, especially with the additions of Menards and Sam's Club right across the street. If this really did happen some time after 3:30 a.m., it's very possible people were on their way to work at 5 a.m. The Interstate and highways start to get busy about that time, even on Saturday mornings.

There are no gravel roads in that immediate area, but there are plenty of gravel roads with a mile or so. It's quite common for people - not just college kids - to have bonfires at night on the weekends, but college kids really do like to party around bonfires and there are a lot of them. That weekend the weather was beautiful and the evenings were ideal nights for bonfires and many people had them. Could it be that TB & company (whoever t

 

[onamission]

That is a new term to me also. Never seen it on a death certificate. At a time when the public is becoming more untrusting of the police and LE because of "catch phrases" like these. Exactly who is it that decides whether there is or is not a threat to the community? Is it the Chief of Police or the Mayor? I believe if you tell what you have found, then I can decide that. And ultimately I can decide also whether you are doing your due diligence, when it comes election time. It was not that many years ago that MSM would not let those "catch phrases" be used without explanation. To me MSM should be demanding copies of search warrants and proof that there even is an investigation that has yielded anything. Tommy deserves at least that and so does his family and friends.

JMO

I have been confused about the term "homicidal violence" as well. From what I have read it is categorized by how the death came about, the manner of death. Murder/Homicide by gunshot, stabbing, poisoning etc. Then there is the cause of death, heart attack, hemorrhage, poisoning etc...It is confusing.

 

[Northstar]

hat was) went to one of these parties? Maybe that's what TB & JB were looking for when they got "lost" and maybe TB hooked up with someone who knew how to get there (baseball players?) and rode with them.

I worked 30 years as a newspaper journalist before changing careers and becoming a psychologist. I thought about specializing in forensic psychology and had additional training, but decided it wasn't for me. I worked with several forensic psychologists in St. Paul and during case conferences I heard more grizzly details than I ever cared to hear. That's when I decided to become an "armchair" enthusiast because that way I could turn it off when I wanted to. I am mostly interested in criminal profiling anyway. I knew, before I learned any additional information via this site, that this was a heinous crime because of LE silence. There is a reason why LE asked for FBI help and my guess is that they needed the expertise and additional manpower and resources. Rest assured, LE is working overtime to do this justice. I personally know the sheriff of Clay County (in which Moorhead is located) and I have known other county and local LE for literally decades. I don't know if the county is involved, but the sheriff is a good guy and very dedicated. I am quite content with silence in the media because I know they are making damn sure they have all the evidence they need before they make arrest(s) (and I do believe more than one person is involved). I don't want these people to walk, nobody wants these people to walk.

I also know from my professional experience that there are people on the streets here who would just as soon kill someone over a negative comment or ambiguous look rather than walk away. I know a young man with severe symptoms of PTSD from being brutally attacked himself multiple times by gang members (in another place). He is so full of rage that he told me he would kill someone over a comment, in fact he would enjoy killing a person because it would feel good releasing all of his rage. And alcohol and drugs make it all that much easier for murder to happen. And it does happen. I think TB was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. I don't think this was premeditated at all. I think it was an impulsive act that quickly got way out of control.

 

[overclockedgirl]

Just saw that the lion on the back of TB's phone (from Feb 6 tweet) is the a LeBron James symbol, so must be a basketball fan thing. So says etsy. In case anyone was wondering if it meant something else.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/191403307/lebron-james-lion-vinyl-decal-free-to?ref=market

 

[onamission]

hat was) went to one of these parties? Maybe that's what TB & JB were looking for when they got "lost" and maybe TB hooked up with someone who knew how to get there (baseball players?) and rode with them.

I worked 30 years as a newspaper journalist before changing careers and becoming a psychologist. I thought about specializing in forensic psychology and had additional training, but decided it wasn't for me. I worked with several forensic psychologists in St. Paul and during case conferences I heard more grizzly details than I ever cared to hear. That's when I decided to become an "armchair" enthusiast because that way I could turn it off when I wanted to. I am mostly interested in criminal profiling anyway. I knew, before I learned any additional information via this site, that this was a heinous crime because of LE silence. There is a reason why LE asked for FBI help and my guess is that they needed the expertise and additional manpower and resources. Rest assured, LE is working overtime to do this justice. I personally know the sheriff of Clay County (in which Moorhead is located) and I have known other county and local LE for literally decades. I don't know if the county is involved, but the sheriff is a good guy and very dedicated. I am quite content with silence in the media because I know they are making damn sure they have all the evidence they need before they make arrest(s) (and I do believe more than one person is involved). I don't want these people to walk, nobody wants these people to walk.

I also know from my professional experience that there are people on the streets here who would just as soon kill someone over a negative comment or ambiguous look rather than walk away. I know a young man with severe symptoms of PTSD from being brutally attacked himself multiple times by gang members (in another place). He is so full of rage that he told me he would kill someone over a comment, in fact he would enjoy killing a person because it would feel good releasing all of his rage. And alcohol and drugs make it all that much easier for murder to happen. And it does happen. I think TB was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. I don't think this was premeditated at all. I think it was an impulsive act that quickly got way out of control.

I agree with you that LE is working diligently to solve this terrible tragedy. Your thinking TB was in the wrong place at the wrong time struck a thought with me. "If" TB was at CM's party and left alone at 3 am ish it would seem to me then that the person who had an ax to grind was there and left when he did, followed him so to speak. Or.... did someone at the party alert someone on the outside that he was leaving the party and TB disappears a few blocks away from CM's house? Or... it begs the question was TB really ever at CM's house?

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

So apparently these kids are claiming certain things happened at certain times and using "tweet alibis". Others were using Tommy's phone which is now missing, to claim "lost". Other than their claims I don't see what proof there is about his leaving at 3:00 AM. CM seems to be very casual about what he knows. It's no wonder he needed to "get away" and sure he is one that parents paid to "lawyer up".

JMO

Excellent, jggordo.

 

[onamission]

I'm glad you brought up the baseball players thing again, I keep forgetting about that.

The tweets have someone who says he was one of the "last 3 people" To see TB at the party. There seem to be a lot of people who say TB was at that party. If this person was one of the last (This person is acting awfully innocent to me), then who are the other two? CM who owns the house is acting pretty innocent imho too. So who are those last two people? If one of them is JW, I am definitely more suspicious of him because of the previous tweet. There is someone else who I think left the house earlier to pick up TB with JW in the first place, and if that is the other person then I'm REALLY suspicious. Only that person who made that tweet "one of the last 3" would know that information I guess. My current thoughts, which seem to change like every time I look at this forum

I'm with you, my thoughts change each time I get to thinking about all this. I can't help but think about the tweet JW sent. I do not think it was a joke. I think it was real and that they were darn scared. But, how do they go from being that scared; get to CM's house safely; and then feel comfortable enough with TB leaving at 3 am and not ask where he is headed and how he is going to get there? That makes no sense to me.

 

[Rocco]

I'm glad you brought up the baseball players thing again, I keep forgetting about that.

The tweets have someone who says he was one of the "last 3 people" To see TB at the party. There seem to be a lot of people who say TB was at that party. If this person was one of the last (This person is acting awfully innocent to me), then who are the other two? CM who owns the house is acting pretty innocent imho too. So who are those last two people? If one of them is JW, I am definitely more suspicious of him because of the previous tweet. There is someone else who I think left the house earlier to pick up TB with JW in the first place, and if that is the other person then I'm REALLY suspicious. Only that person who made that tweet "one of the last 3" would know that information I guess. My current thoughts, which seem to change like every time I look at this forum

Did that tweet say ''last 3 people to see TB at the party'' or '' last 3 people to see TB alive"? Seems to me that IBSleuthin said it was 'last 3 people to see TB alive' which she thought was strange because if he said something about going to hang out with some baseball players, maybe they were the last people to see him alive. How would anyone at the party know they were one of the last 3 people to see him alive?

 

[Rocco]

I'm glad you brought up the baseball players thing again, I keep forgetting about that.

The tweets have someone who says he was one of the "last 3 people" To see TB at the party. There seem to be a lot of people who say TB was at that party. If this person was one of the last (This person is acting awfully innocent to me), then who are the other two? CM who owns the house is acting pretty innocent imho too. So who are those last two people? If one of them is JW, I am definitely more suspicious of him because of the previous tweet. There is someone else who I think left the house earlier to pick up TB with JW in the first place, and if that is the other person then I'm REALLY suspicious. Only that person who made that tweet "one of the last 3" would know that information I guess. My current thoughts, which seem to change like every time I look at this forum

Did that tweet say ''last 3 people to see TB at the party'' or '' last 3 people to see TB alive"? Seems to me that IBSleuthin said it said 'last 3 people to see TB alive' which she thought was strange because if he said something about going to hang out with some baseball players, maybe they were the last people to see him alive. How would anyone at the party know they were one of the last 3 people to see him alive?

 

[overclockedgirl]

Did that tweet say ''last 3 people to see TB at the party'' or '' last 3 people to see TB alive"? Seems to me that IBSleuthin said it was 'last 3 people to see TB alive' which she thought was strange because if he said something about going to hang out with some baseball players, maybe they were the last people to see him alive. How would anyone at the party know they were one of the last 3 people to see him alive?

A person who I referred to in one prior post as BH, who I can PM you the twitter name if you want, said he was "one of the last 3 people to see" him, presumably referring one of the last 3 people to see him at the party before he went missing. Or you could say he considered himself one of the last 3 people that have been known or have admitted to seeing TB before he went missing.

There is also another person who lives at CMs house who expressed regret on twitter that he felt some responsibility even though he was away for the weekend because it was his house TB was last known to be seen at alive as far as anyone knew or was admitting.

 

[DonnaParker]

I found it Rocco. I removed the Twitter user's screen name, but the tweet says "Weird knowing I was one of the last 3 people to see Tom #FindTommyB".

Whoops - I see OCG already informed you. Sorry - I must have been posting at the same time.

 

[Rocco]

A person who I referred to in one prior post as BH, who I can PM you the twitter name if you want, said he was "one of the last 3 people to see" him, presumably referring one of the last 3 people to see him at the party before he went missing. Or you could say he considered himself one of the last 3 people that have been known or have admitted to seeing TB before he went missing.

There is also another person who lives at CMs house who expressed regret on twitter that he felt some responsibility even though he was away for the weekend because it was his house TB was last known to be seen at alive as far as anyone knew or was admitting.

Good to have it clarified. Thanks

(someone pm'd me with BHs twitter name but thanks anyway)

 

[IBsleuthin]

unrecognizable. All gravel roads lead to Larry's RV. Did he fall out of the back of a pickup truck while partying? How do they know it was a fight?

Who left him at the RV place? a team of qualified paramedics and a neurologist? He could have fallen out, they thought he was dead but wasn't and remember now, he presumably was laying there Sat., Sun.,Mon., Tuesday morning.

Unless the coroner told them he was fighting for his life, most likely this is speculation.

No press conference today. Hmmm...Not an update, nothing. Zip.

A big goose egg and another weekend stretching out before us. But what does it mean, what does it mean.