ND ND - Thomas 'Tom' Bearson, 19, Fargo, 20 Sep 2014 #2

[dennygreen]

hey guys, first post. I live about a mile from the RV place, so I've been following this case pretty close, even though there's really nothing to follow lately.

Someone asked if there were any disturbances that night. I've been looking at the police logs ( http://www.cityoffargo.com/CityInfo/Departments/Police/DispatchLog/FargoPDDispatchLogs.aspx) from that morning around 3 to 4 am and afterwards, to see what was going on around that area (by the "trap") at that time. I don't see anything too interesting but there were a few things reported nearby.

also, someone earlier said that it's not really a high crime area. that might be true, but I do know that one of the three murders that took place in the last year took place about 3 blocks away from there on 7th St.

 

[melodyl]

One more thing.. Someone brought this up before on previous thread about Tom but I guess it's worth a mention since Brandon14 brought up videogames. If you do a GOOGLE Search {Bing does NOT find it} with the phone number mentioned in the "lost" tweet, you find a interesting thing. It's a Gamer tag / ID of "cheese sniffer" and the gamers actual motto is "Call 1-320-266-5538!" At one point I pulled up a game they had played in and one of the other kids had "sabre" in their name, which was the nickname of Sartell's mascot. So very strange, huh?

I think this pretty much confirms Brandon's statement that the tweet was related to the game and nothing more. Good thinking Minnesota Mom

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[Rocco]

hey guys, first post. I live about a mile from the RV place, so I've been following this case pretty close, even though there's really nothing to follow lately.

Someone asked if there were any disturbances that night. I've been looking at the police logs ( http://www.cityoffargo.com/CityInfo/Departments/Police/DispatchLog/FargoPDDispatchLogs.aspx) from that morning around 3 to 4 am and afterwards, to see what was going on around that area (by the "trap") at that time. I don't see anything too interesting but there were a few things reported nearby.

also, someone earlier said that it's not really a high crime area. that might be true, but I do know that one of the three murders that took place in the last year took place about 3 blocks away from there on 7th St.

Welcome, denny. Can you share what the circumstances were of the murder that was 3 blocks away? Thanks.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

EDITED. All the murders were on 7th. There are 2 incidents:

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/24051111/updated-fargo-murder-victims-named

November 2013: Original story:

Fargo Police officers arrested a 35-year-old Fargo Man early this morning on two counts of murder. That's after they responded to a possible stabbing on the 1100 block of 7th Ave N just after 2:00 a.m. Saturday morning. Upon arrival, officers found a 23-year-old Fargo woman and a 30-year-old Moorhead man dead.

.....................................................................

June 2014:
24-year-old Christopher Hampton is in custody and another man is dead.

Police just released the victim's name, 28-year-old Randall Doehner.
He was murdered at a duplex in the 100 block of 7th Avenue North.

http://www.wdaz.com/content/fargo-murder-suspect-claims-victim-was-trying-poison-him-0

 

[melodyl]

Ok, so I've been on some apple forums and some hack forums and what I've found is that's its not really all that difficult to get around any app that tracks your phone. Its all done by software and all software is hackable. I'm not going to post any hack links but I will link a CNET article that has a Huffpost link within the article. The article is basically about the growing problem with phone thefts and steps you can take to try to foil thieves.

” According to the San Francisco Police Department, more than 50 percent of the robberies that occurred in the city in 2012 involved the theft of a smartphone (the robberies are referred to as "Apple Picking"). That's nothing to discount, and remember that the SFPD only tracks data for crimes that were reported. The fate of your phone after it's stolen could be just about anything. A thief may keep it himself, she may sell it to a friend or an unsuspecting buyer on eBay, or it may have been stolen only for the parts. Other phones may even be smuggled out of the country where they can fetch a premium price in developing markets. For more on that market, check out this comprehensive story from Huffington Post.”
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/essentia...ne-and-what-else-can-be-done-to-foil-thieves/

 

[Rocco]

Wow---that 1st double murder was complicated as far as trying to keep everyone straight. The murderer was at the victim's place with his wife and feels terrible that the killed the girl he loved. :thinking: And the second case involves 2 men that were cousins and one shot the other. So none of these were random, stranger on stranger murders. That's what I was wondering so thanks for taking the time to look that up and post it. Much appreciated.:tyou:

EDITED. All the murders were on 7th. There are 2 incidents:

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/24051111/updated-fargo-murder-victims-named

November 2013: Original story:

Fargo Police officers arrested a 35-year-old Fargo Man early this morning on two counts of murder. That's after they responded to a possible stabbing on the 1100 block of 7th Ave N just after 2:00 a.m. Saturday morning. Upon arrival, officers found a 23-year-old Fargo woman and a 30-year-old Moorhead man dead.

.....................................................................

June 2014:
24-year-old Christopher Hampton is in custody and another man is dead.

Police just released the victim's name, 28-year-old Randall Doehner.
He was murdered at a duplex in the 100 block of 7th Avenue North.

http://www.wdaz.com/content/fargo-murder-suspect-claims-victim-was-trying-poison-him-0

 

[dennygreen]

yep, those are the ones. the Doehner one was the one that was really close by.

I believe the only other murder in Fargo in the last year was this one, which is nowhere near NDSU.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/25164414/man-charged-in-murder-near-cash-wise-pleads-not-guilty

 

[Rocco]

Ok, so I've been on some apple forums and some hack forums and what I've found is that's its not really all that difficult to get around any app that tracks your phone. Its all done by software and all software is hackable. I'm not going to post any hack links but I will link a CNET article that has a Huffpost link within the article. The article is basically about the growing problem with phone thefts and steps you can take to try to foil thieves.

” According to the San Francisco Police Department, more than 50 percent of the robberies that occurred in the city in 2012 involved the theft of a smartphone (the robberies are referred to as "Apple Picking"). That's nothing to discount, and remember that the SFPD only tracks data for crimes that were reported. The fate of your phone after it's stolen could be just about anything. A thief may keep it himself, she may sell it to a friend or an unsuspecting buyer on eBay, or it may have been stolen only for the parts. Other phones may even be smuggled out of the country where they can fetch a premium price in developing markets. For more on that market, check out this comprehensive story from Huffington Post.”
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/essentia...ne-and-what-else-can-be-done-to-foil-thieves/

Wow melodyl---that's A LOT of information. Thanks for finding and posting this. Would it be correct to say that these apps you're talking about are useful for preventing the owner of the phone from tracking it down? It seems the link also implies that some phones are stolen just so someone can get information off of them----not merely to have the phone. This is the part I found most helpful:

All US carriers will suspend service to your phone once you report it as lost or stolen. When you make the report, the unique number that identifies your phone to the carrier (called an IMEI on a GSM phone, and an ESN on a CDMA phone) will be entered in a "blacklist." As a result, the network will reject service (calls and data) to any device if its IMEI or ESN is on the list (it would be able to access Wi-Fi, though). Also, since the IMEI on a GSM phones is independent from the SIM card, swapping the SIM for the same carrier would not make a difference. It's a different story if your handset is unlocked, but I'll get to that later

 

[Rocco]

yep, those are the ones. the Doehner one was the one that was really close by.

I believe the only other murder in Fargo in the last year was this one, which is nowhere near NDSU.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/25164414/man-charged-in-murder-near-cash-wise-pleads-not-guilty

And that one was drug related. Good to know--thanks for posting the link.

 

[melodyl]

Wow melodyl---that's A LOT of information. Thanks for finding and posting this. Would it be correct to say that these apps you're talking about are useful for preventing the owner of the phone from tracking it down? It seems the link also imply that some phones are stolen just so someone can get information off of them----not merely to have the phone. This is the part I found most helpful:

All US carriers will suspend service to your phone once you report it as lost or stolen. When you make the report, the unique number that identifies your phone to the carrier (called an IMEI on a GSM phone, and an ESN on a CDMA phone) will be entered in a "blacklist." As a result, the network will reject service (calls and data) to any device if its IMEI or ESN is on the list (it would be able to access Wi-Fi, though). Also, since the IMEI on a GSM phones is independent from the SIM card, swapping the SIM for the same carrier would not make a difference. It's a different story if your handset is unlocked, but I'll get to that later

Yes Rocco, those are the apps I was referring to. Glad you brought up the unlocked phones, those can be used with any carrier, you just use your own Sim card. Something the article touched on that I hadn't even thought about was theft for parts and for selling overseas.

Unfortunately thieves will always find a way to get what they want.

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[Rocco]

Yes Rocco, those are the apps I wad referring to. Glad you brought up the unlocked phones, those can be used with any carrier, you just use your own Sim card. Something the article touched on that I hadn't even thought about was theft for parts and for selling overseas.

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I hadn't thought about the theft for selling parts overseas either. I'm wondering if that isn't done by thieves who have an established market who quickly do a 'grab and run'. Love the part about selling them on Ebay----I LOVE EBAY!!!!!!

 

[melodyl]

I actually bought my son an unlocked phone on Ebay (great price, huge selection!). I didn't even give a thought to the possibility that it could have been stolen. Had no problems, got a SIM from T mobile and it was good to go.

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[ATasteOfHoney]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they (LE) need another DNA profile to compare it to? What if the killer has never given a DNA sample, and manages to never have to give one in the future.

With the amount of violence allegedly involved with the homicide of TB (& he was young, agile & strong--an athlete) there's this too: DNA is a funny thing....it works both ways!

There's clothing, hair fibers, fingernails & blood samples to check w/plenty of DNA to sort through.

Tick tock buddies, tick tock.

IMHO, we will be quite surprised & I think this is by no means a cold case.

RIP TB....let your story & truth be told...

All moo

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

After sleuthing a little bit more, some news sites link TB's death to the Smiley Face Killer although (& not every time) the victims are found drowned in a river near the highway corridor, near TB's area.

Any hypothesis to this---anyone care to share? Yep, all about young college males....hmmm???

 

[BankingOnIt]

After sleuthing a little bit more, some news sites link TB's death to the Smiley Face Killer although (& not every time) the victims are found drowned in a river near the highway corridor, near TB's area.

Any hypothesis to this---anyone care to share? Yep, all about young college males....hmmm???

They've tried to link Andrew Sadek as well.
I can't understand Smiley Face Killers. I've tried. But to no avail.

There was another man found dead in Mahnomen, I heard. With the one in the grain bin in Brookings (Jacob Heisinger), it's getting scary. Either these young men are unlucky or there is someone in the area good at making deaths look like accidents.

Yah. That's probably over dramatic of me but sometimes drama is exciting.

 

[jggordo]

After sleuthing a little bit more, some news sites link TB's death to the Smiley Face Killer although (& not every time) the victims are found drowned in a river near the highway corridor, near TB's area.

Any hypothesis to this---anyone care to share? Yep, all about young college males....hmmm???

I have seen this "connection" referenced in several cases too. After some research with those cases I found that the real links go to an author and blog that seems to be more about selling books than solving crimes. News sites get free advertising, yet I have never found one "case" that has been solved because of it. To me the last thing a grieving family or a victims close ones needs is someone capitalizing on their name or case to make money.

One of the "selling points" of the Smiley Face murders is the fact that most bodies were found after being in the water for lengthy periods of time. Thus destroying critical DNA and causing decomposition to hinder investigations. IMO it does not take a serial killer to know this. It is a common way to dispose of a body.

JMO

 

[CantNotCare]

For “fun” does NOT accurately describe why I am on this Websleuth site at all. Speaking for myself only, I come here in all earnest with a yearning to seek the truth, and understanding, to try to decipher what I believe that to be, with ALL the information I can find. I am well aware that I obviously DON’T have ALL the information and because of that my perception could very well be wrong. Common in the life of all human beings, and we are not perfect. I am well aware that it is not impossible that as a parent, I could find myself, god forbid, in TB’s parent’s shoes.
So, I am a PARENT, who is trying to educate myself on various subjects, and not for “fun”.
I wouldn’t want to agree or disagree with anyone’s alibis, or help them know in advance how that would play out for them. Consider perhaps questioning your college age children or friends about video game playing and likelihoods. That’s what I did.
The web winds, and the wheels of justice turn ever so slowly….

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

For “fun” does NOT accurately describe why I am on this Websleuth site at all. Speaking for myself only, I come here in all earnest with a yearning to seek the truth, and understanding, to try to decipher what I believe that to be, with ALL the information I can find. I am well aware that I obviously DON’T have ALL the information and because of that my perception could very well be wrong. Common in the life of all human beings, and we are not perfect. I am well aware that it is not impossible that as a parent, I could find myself, god forbid, in TB’s parent’s shoes.
So, I am a PARENT, who is trying to educate myself on various subjects, and not for “fun”.
I wouldn’t want to agree or disagree with anyone’s alibis, or help them know in advance how that would play out for them. Consider perhaps questioning your college age children or friends about video game playing and likelihoods. That’s what I did.
The web winds, and the wheels of justice turn ever so slowly….

Well said, cantnotcare....well said.

 

[CantNotCare]

After sleuthing a little bit more, some news sites link TB's death to the Smiley Face Killer although (& not every time) the victims are found drowned in a river near the highway corridor, near TB's area.

Any hypothesis to this---anyone care to share? Yep, all about young college males....hmmm???

Yes, when I first became aware of TB missing, and started internet searching, I ran across this phenomena of missing college age young men in ND, MN, and WI (I believe those were the main states) that all end up in bodies of water with many attributed to getting drunk, leaving bars alone, getting lost and then drowning accidentally. I find the chances of that many young men doing that exact same thing due to intoxication highly improbable personally. There are colleges, universities, several rivers/bodies of water where I live, and in my lifetime here (we won't discuss that!) it has not occurred even once here. And, young people party here just like anywhere else. What I found notable, was the height and weight, and overall appearance characteristics were very common among all of the victims. All very good looking young men in my opinion, and in good lean physical shape.

 

[CantNotCare]

However, when I was researching the Smiley Face Killer theory, I didn't feel as if they provided enough instances of these "smiley faces" being found in reference to each of the deaths. I did consider while pondering that though, that where the bodies are found very likely can be not where they entered the water, and that smiley face graffiti is quite common I would surmise. I didn't read anything that jumped out at me as specifically tying the smiley faces to the deaths. But...many of the deaths DO seem like they have a pattern occurring.
TB's death is not fitting that pattern in my mind. However, serial killers have historically been known to switch things up, Ted Bundy did.