NE NE - Corrie Wood, 28, Grant, 20 September 2008 #1

[missellen]

There is a post on blue crime hunter asking Scott who Carrie is. "
"Scott,

Can you please explain Carrie - yes, Carrie not Corrie. Otherwise, I will post it myself, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt."

Anyone know who she is???

 

[NSC]

let me start by saying I am not a scott fan but if he was the killer I would think that he would have some bruising on his fists or if he used a object probly would have scratchs on him. I do think he was involved (just my opinion) but not sure to what extent.

Hi Nebraska and welcome to WS. Do you know for certain that Scott did not have bruising on his fists?

 

[cloudajo]

There is a post on blue crime hunter asking Scott who Carrie is. "
"Scott,

Can you please explain Carrie - yes, Carrie not Corrie. Otherwise, I will post it myself, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt."

Anyone know who she is???

I don't know but I wonder too.

 

[nebraska]

no I do not know one way or the other about bhim having bruising just thought if he did that le would have some pretty strong evidence. even a big man with tatoos and callased hands will still bruise, I know I work construcion myself. like I said before I think Scott was involved or at least knows more than he is letting le know. I also think there are several other persons also that know more than they are letting on.

 

[cloudajo]

Just reading up on circumstantial evidence…

Circumstantial evidence is evidence in a case which can be used to draw inferences about a series of events. It is also known as indirect evidence; the opposite is direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence is an important part of any criminal trial, and both sides in a trial will generally try to find circumstantial evidence to support themselves. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to obtain a conviction with the use of circumstantial evidence, if it is backed up by corroborating evidence and other factual information.

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Essentially, circumstantial evidence paints a picture of the circumstances of the case. Good lawyers are very talented at extracting circumstantial evidence in a way which will support an end point. They can also undermine circumstantial evidence by making the witness seem less credible, using a variety of techniques. The acceptance of circumstantial evidence in a case can make or break the verdict, especially when there is little direct evidence to link the accused with the crime.

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In many courts of law, juries and judges are required to consider all available evidence before making a decision. In a case with a severe punishment, the prosecution must generally prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. In a case like this, circumstantial evidence must be carefully gathered and corroborated so that the evidence paints a clear and obvious picture. Should the prosecution fail to prove the case, the perpetrator could go free.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-circumstantial-evidence.htm

 

[NSC]

no I do not know one way or the other about bhim having bruising just thought if he did that le would have some pretty strong evidence. even a big man with tatoos and callased hands will still bruise, I know I work construcion myself. like I said before I think Scott was involved or at least knows more than he is letting le know. I also think there are several other persons also that know more than they are letting on.

Nebraska, would you willing to offer us a theory?? Every person's opinon counts on here. This is how we come up with different ideas.

 

[MCDRAW]

My theory at this time?
Sometime after Corrie got home, she and SP continued their argument on the phone. Then he showed up and they continued arguing and he hit her a few times. Then he took off, not knowing she would die, but she did die. She may not have even known that she had a fatal injury before she went to sleep.

This is pretty much what I believe too.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Hey. Here's mine.

Theory/Speculation:

IMO, I think Scott and Corrie had a fight at the Cactus, a fight so bad that Scott wanted Corrie to move out. Red drove Corrie home while Scott stayed at the Cactus. Scott later left the Cactus, drove home, they argued, he was enraged and he killed her right then and there with blows to the head and body. Corrie was no match for his 225 lbs. I think he then put her into their bed and drove somewhere like the new house about 1 mile away (which looks on google earth to be in a remote area with only 1 house somewhat nearby).

He had several hours there to think things through. He returned home shortly before 10AM and “found” Corrie dead, and called 911. I think he possibly told LE he had first gone home in the early morning hours but was locked out of the house on the chance a neighbor saw him. I also think he told LE a story that AM, they decided Corrie’s death wasn’t suspicious, maybe event felt bad for him, released the scene and went on their way.

I don’t think he has told anyone what really happened; he thinks he just needs to sit tight, bide his time and he’ll get away with it.

I think you are right but somewhere in there before Scott went home the two argued on the phone several times and Scott was probably madder then when Corrie left the bar and went home.

 

[Poker Chips]

I think the assault might have taken place outside of Cactus or someplace other than the home. I am wondering if they ever left together at any time during the party, then returned. I also think there are some who know where and when. I do believe, as do others, the injuries were not fully known at the time, by anyone, even Corrie herself. It might have been hard for someone observing her to distinguish between wobbling around intoxicated and wobbling around because of pain or close to unconsciousness because of it. Drunks have a tendency to not fully understand the severity of the situation, so no one might have guessed she was that injured. We all know alcohol played at part in this death, but could have been even more so in Corrie's case because of the thinning effect on the blood.

 

[missellen]

Did i read somewhere in the begining that the girl (?red) stopped at her place on the way to take Corrie home to drop someone off? I think there might have been an altercation there. Perhaps someone followed them back to Corries place and continued the assault at home. I notice that Corrie's hair is quite long and seems pretty thick. If she had closed injuries to her head they could be quite unnoticable unless you are actually checking for head injuries. I'm pretty sure that Scott is in this up to his armpits I'm just not sure what part he played.

 

[nebraska]

I agree with u missellen 100%

 

[NSC]

Did i read somewhere in the begining that the girl (?red) stopped at her place on the way to take Corrie home to drop someone off? I think there might have been an altercation there. Perhaps someone followed them back to Corries place and continued the assault at home. I notice that Corrie's hair is quite long and seems pretty thick. If she had closed injuries to her head they could be quite unnoticable unless you are actually checking for head injuries. I'm pretty sure that Scott is in this up to his armpits I'm just not sure what part he played.

This is an interesting theory. Maybe they ALL went back to Red's and the altercation between Scott and Corrie started there? Then Red drove Corrie home because she might have been beat up a little? Instead of staying with her she left her at the house? Helped her out with the dogs by letting them out? At this point, later Scott returns? Or Scott doesn't return Corrie goes to bed but the damage has already been done?? I think with injuries that would be life threating he must of put a pretty good blow on her and still see the final blows that killed her being done at home.

Another point to mention is that Corrie had two dogs. A German Shephard and a smaller dogs. Typically, German Shephards are pretty good guard dogs. I can't see an intruder coming in the house and beating Corrie up without the dog making any noise. I could not even see Scott being able to beat Corrie up with the dog in the room. I know my dog will bark and get all crazy even with we are joking around in the house. Maybe he let the dog out of the house at the time or locked it in a room? Just some more thoughts.

 

[LorinMarie]

After careful review of the case I have changed my theory on what happened and I think that this better fits together with events that happened that night. It is something that I had tossed around prior as well but it didn't really stick until my light bulb moment tonight! Also Thanks Poker Chips it was your post that got me thinking this way again :blowkiss:

I think Corrie and Scott got in a fight at the bar. Perhaps they stepped outside into the parking lot or what have you and they continued to argue and being drunk made the situation much worse. I think that Scott hit Corrie before they ever even left the bar that night. We all know, (and I can say from personal experience I fell and busted my head on the pavement when drunk) that alcohol numbs pain in a sense. I think Corrie did not realize how hurt she really was at the time. After the fight she wanted to go home and Red took her. It has been stated that Red stopped at home (1 theory was that it was to drop off her bf) I believe that they really stopped for Corrie to freshen up a bit and clean up from the fight. I think that Corrie did tell red in the car that Scott had hit her. That would explain to me why her story is also changing, she knows something.

Red brought Corrie home after she was cleaned up a bit and helped out with the dogs and went on her way and Corrie went to bed and passed away at some point that night from her injuries

 

[rbd]

NSC: did I miss it or did you let us in on what you were working on?

 

[NSC]

NSC: did I miss it or did you let us in on what you were working on?

Nope. I haven't revealed anything yet. And if you know anyone that has anything they would like to share - I will stress again - that THIS is the time!!!! Even if you think it is little or minimal

 

[proudmama]

My theory -

I think tihs happened on the spur of momment, in the heat of the argument. I also do not think that either Scott or Corrie realized the severity of her injury. I am sure she was sore, but had no idea just how badly she was hurt.

I think that Corrie was not beaten with hands, i think she may have been kicked, and not in the face, only the head and the body. She either fell, was pushed or thrown to the ground and then kicked repeatedly. This would explain why no one had any signs of being in an altercation on their hands. Had the police report not said beaten about the head and body, I could easily believe that Corrie was thrown or pushed into something, or the ground and hit her head.

As for the location, I am not sure yet what I think. The phone calls support both reasonable stories. If they fought at the bar and that is where she was injured, she may have been calling Scott out of fury that he hurt her (still she didnt know just how badly she was hurt). If the fight occurred at the house, she probably was calling him to finish the argument, infuriating him further until he got home and then the physical piece took place.

I do think that Corrie went to sleep that night not knowing how bad she was hurt and passed away in her sleep.

I am really curious to know what exactly was on the sheets. Vomit comes to mind. vomit could have been what led the initial LE to think it was a drug overdose or alcohol poisoning. BUT vomitting also occurs when severe head injuries happen, which would fit into my theory. I just really struggle with what was on the sheets that someone would think it could wash out, but the stain remained. If it was blood, I cant see anyone thinking it would wash out or even want to keep the sheets, not to mention I cant see any LE missing blood at a death scene. :waitasec:

 

[spector]

My theory -

I think tihs happened on the spur of momment, in the heat of the argument. I also do not think that either Scott or Corrie realized the severity of her injury. I am sure she was sore, but had no idea just how badly she was hurt.

I think that Corrie was not beaten with hands, i think she may have been kicked, and not in the face, only the head and the body. She either fell, was pushed or thrown to the ground and then kicked repeatedly. This would explain why no one had any signs of being in an altercation on their hands. Had the police report not said beaten about the head and body, I could easily believe that Corrie was thrown or pushed into something, or the ground and hit her head.

As for the location, I am not sure yet what I think. The phone calls support both reasonable stories. If they fought at the bar and that is where she was injured, she may have been calling Scott out of fury that he hurt her (still she didnt know just how badly she was hurt). If the fight occurred at the house, she probably was calling him to finish the argument, infuriating him further until he got home and then the physical piece took place.

I do think that Corrie went to sleep that night not knowing how bad she was hurt and passed away in her sleep.

I am really curious to know what exactly was on the sheets. Vomit comes to mind. vomit could have been what led the initial LE to think it was a drug overdose or alcohol poisoning. BUT vomitting also occurs when severe head injuries happen, which would fit into my theory. I just really struggle with what was on the sheets that someone would think it could wash out, but the stain remained. If it was blood, I cant see anyone thinking it would wash out or even want to keep the sheets, not to mention I cant see any LE missing blood at a death scene. :waitasec:

This is what I think happened. I do not think Scott meant to kill her, and I do believe he loved her. But abusers often do things they "do not mean to do."

 

[STEADFAST]

This is what I think happened. I do not think Scott meant to kill her, and I do believe he loved her. But abusers often do things they "do not mean to do."

I agree. Seems he's having a tough time, what with all the drinking (unless that's just the norm) and according to people's reports. At least, if he did cause her death, he doesn't seem to be one of those guys that doesn't seem fazed in the least, like Scott Peterson and so many others who actually wanted their wife or girlfriend to die.
Of course, if he beat her, he's still responsible.
Hope NSC's information is going to clear all this up.

 

[banedon]

My theory -


I am really curious to know what exactly was on the sheets. Vomit comes to mind. vomit could have been what led the initial LE to think it was a drug overdose or alcohol poisoning. BUT vomitting also occurs when severe head injuries happen, which would fit into my theory. I just really struggle with what was on the sheets that someone would think it could wash out, but the stain remained. If it was blood, I cant see anyone thinking it would wash out or even want to keep the sheets, not to mention I cant see any LE missing blood at a death scene. :waitasec:

This has been brought up and addressed several times in the thread, though I suppose at 31 pages its easy to miss.

Anyway, when a person dies (especially if there is violence involved) a phenomenon often occurs that is called 'primary flaccidity.' This is a state, usually occuring very shortly after death, where all of the muscles in the body relax without the brain acting to control them. As both the bowels and bladder are muscles, this frequently results in a person voiding urine or feces at the time of or shortly after the time of death. Given that LE didnt note any blood at the scene, it is fairly likely that the sheets were soiled with the bodily wastes that are expelled around the time of death. Vomit is also a possibility, as you said, but is less commonly associated with death than the aforementioned body fluids.

 

[missellen]

Another point to mention is that Corrie had two dogs. A German Shephard and a smaller dogs. Typically, German Shephards are pretty good guard dogs. I can't see an intruder coming in the house and beating Corrie up without the dog making any noise. I could not even see Scott being able to beat Corrie up with the dog in the room. I know my dog will bark and get all crazy even with we are joking around in the house. Maybe he let the dog out of the house at the time or locked it in a room? Just some more thoughts.

Good point, I forgot about the dogs. Were they inside or outside when Scott found Corrie? There was no sign of forced entry was there? Was the house locked or unlocked? I don't remember any report saying anything was disturbed around the house so I think you could be right NSC. I wonder what she was wearing when she was found.