NE: Forgotten DNA Evidence Clears Key Figures

[Honeybee]

"Burke is cleared by Boulder police and by the Boulder DA's office."


Lovely Pigeon is correct. Burke has been cleared by BPD and the DA's office.

 

[Ivy]

LP, why do you continue to insist that Burke was cleared? He was NOT CLEARED. Even Hunter's affidavit, which you yourself posted, does not say Burke was cleared, so why do you insist that he was? Oh well, never mind. It doesn't matter, and I already know the answer anyway.
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[BlueCrab]

Burke is cleared by Boulder police and by the Boulder DA's office.

BURKE HAS NEVER BEEN CLEARED BY THE BOULDER POLICE, THE BOULDER DA's OFFICE, NOR ANYONE ELSE OF AUTHORITY IN BOULDER.

LP, you continue to trot out that fraudulent October 12, 2000 affidavit signed by Alex Hunter but written by Lin Wood purely to trick the public into believing that Burke has been cleared. Hunter (the prosecutor) and Wood (the "defendant's" attorney) conspired to produce that cleverly worded document. Doesn't that tell you ANYTHING?

JMO

 

[Shylock]

Burke was not a suspect. Burke is not a suspect. There has never been evidence to indicate Burke should be a suspect. That has been stated by Hunter, by the current DA's office, by Steve Thomas, by Lin Wood, by Judge Carnes, etc etc
Burke is cleared by Boulder police and by the Boulder DA's office.

You're always calling people out for proof LP, now it's YOUR turn. Please provide us with a source that Burke Ramsey has been cleared by the new investigation initiated by Mary Keenan when she took over the case from the BPD.

Burke Ramsey is one of THREE top siuspects in this case. He had the ABILITY and OPPORTUNITY to commit the killing. That's all it takes to be a suspect in ANY competent investigation.

I'm getting real sick of the Ramsey Hypocrites who bash the BPD but then point to them as being competent enough to clear Burke.

 

[Shylock]

So who wrote the note?

PATSY WROTE THE NOTE!
Visit the link below for the proof. The examplars in the evidence file are NOT Burke Ramseys.

 

[Ivy]

Thorkin...thanks for posting that! You're right...Patsy really slipped up when she said "we" found the body. As a BDIer, I have always thought that Patsy and John really did find it, though maybe only after Burke revealed where it was.

DeMuth thought the heart was well drawn? Hello? Most of us WSers aren't sure it was even a heart.
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[BlueCrab]

The analyses of early handwriting examinations by the CBI revealed that, although John was ruled out as the writer of the ransom note, both Burke Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey could not be ruled out.

Burke's handwriting likely resembles Patsy's because it was Patsy who taught him how to read and write.

JMO

 

[Maxi]

If Burke was never considered a suspect or even a potential suspect by the BPD, he couldn't have been cleared. You gotta BE a suspect before you can be cleared of being one. Alex Hunter is just saying that the investigation never uncovered evidence that might raise him to the level of a suspect.

Has anyone ever been labelled a suspect? I know people come and go from under the umbrella of suspicion, according to Beckner, but I can't remember if any official person ever elevated anyone beyond that level.

 

[eliza]

Like several other posters I think we have a play on words on that statement released as far as Burke being a suspect. As far as I'm concerned Burke and parents will always be under that umbrella of suspicion until the person responsible for JBRs death is revealed. If you don't have the evidence to convict how can you have the evidence to be cleared. All three family members were in the house without a alibi, so common sense tells me all three are a possibility.

 

[BlueCrab]

If Burke was never considered a suspect or even a potential suspect by the BPD, he couldn't have been cleared. You gotta BE a suspect before you can be cleared of being one. Alex Hunter is just saying that the investigation never uncovered evidence that might raise him to the level of a suspect.

Has anyone ever been labelled a suspect? I know people come and go from under the umbrella of suspicion, according to Beckner, but I can't remember if any official person ever elevated anyone beyond that level.

Melinda and John Andrew were never official suspects, but the cops cleared them.

Boulder authorities are promoting a carefully orchestrated fraud. NO ONE has ever been an official suspect in the Ramsey case, even though in real life under the same circumstances they would be called suspects. Boulder authorities, namely Beckner and Keenan, are conspiring in this regard to keep from having to name Burke a suspect -- even though in any other murder case he would be called a suspect.

The fraud allows them to get away with the ludicrous October 12, 2000 affidavit written by Lin Wood but signed by Alex Hunter that trickily plays on words to make it appear Burke has been cleared without having to use the word "cleared".

They don't want to be caught in a lie when the truth surfaces some day, only fraud. Why the fraud? They have no choice. IMO the GJ solved the case in 1999, children were involved, and by court order the truth cannot be told.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

BlueCrab, whose grand jury testimony do you believe convinced the jurors that Burke did it?
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[Britt]

If you don't have the evidence to convict how can you have the evidence to be cleared.

Excellent point, Eliza. Furthermore, unlike the complete absence of identifiable, non-spun intruder evidence, there IS evidence of Burke - the shoeprint, the fingerprints on the bowl, the pocketknife, his presence in the house (lack of alibi), as well as behavior indicating guilty knowledge (lies and evasions) and a history of attacking JB with a golf club (accident, uh huh).

Melinda and John Andrew were never official suspects, but the cops cleared them.

Excellent point, BlueCrab.

 

[BlueCrab]

Excellent point, Eliza. Furthermore, unlike the complete absence of identifiable, non-spun intruder evidence, there IS evidence of Burke - the shoeprint, the fingerprints on the bowl, the pocketknife, his presence in the house (lack of alibi), as well as behavior indicating guilty knowledge (lies and evasions) and a history of attacking JB with a golf club (accident, uh huh).

I might want to add a few more items that point to Burke as involved in the death of JonBenet:

o The murder had to involve at least one of the three Ramseys in the house that night, and John and Patsy have exculpatory evidence in their favor.

o The naive and totally unnecessary fake RN sounded like it was written by a juvenile. Burke's handwriting analyses did not eliminate him as possibly being the writer of the RN.

o When awakened at 7 A.M. Burke asked no questions. He seemed to know.

o The autopsy revealed chronic (old) injuries to JonBenet's vagina that were due to either digital or juvenile penis penetration. JonBenet and Burke often slept together, with the most recent time being Christmas Eve night.

o All three Ramseys conspired to protect Burke by lying to the cops about being in bed during the 911 call.

o The body of JonBenet, who normally wore size 4 and size 6 underwear, was wiped down and re-dressed in size 12 underwear. John and Patsy would have known better.

JMO

 

[Nehemiah]

BlueCrab, whose grand jury testimony do you believe convinced the jurors that Burke did it?
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I'd like to know your thoughts on this also, BlueCrab.


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[Ivy]

BC, if the "exculpatory evidence" you refer to regarding John and Patsy pertains to your belief that neither of them wrote the note, not all of us agree on that. I think that many of us here agree with Epstein and other professional document examiners that Patsy wrote the note.

As for the note sounding as if it had been written by a juvenile, what about Patsy saying while recalling the events surrounding JonBenet's death, "It kind of makes my heart go pitty-pat. I mean right now, I'm feeling like, gosh, this happened to my child." Shades of little Shirley Temple. :clap:

Police believed that John or Patsy put the size 12 panties on JonBenet's body, because even though they were too big for her, the panties said "Wednesday," and the Rs wanted to convey the idea they were the same panties JonBenet had worn all day Christmas.

I agree with all your other points, though. Very much so.
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[LovelyPigeon]

Hunter has explained that Burke was looked at from the point of view that everyone in the house should have been considered and looked at. Burke wasn't totally ignored. He was interviewed, he was asked for handwriting samples, etc

But there was no evidence and no indication that Burke was involved in any way. Not in the ransom note writing and not in the crime, either.

You can play around with semantics all you want but Burke is not and has never been a suspect in the murder of JonBenét, or of writing the note. He's not one now because there is no reason for him to be.

 

[Toltec]

If Burke was involved in the sexual molestation of JonBenet (which I'm beginning to believe) then it must have been Burke who picked out the size 12 panties. I believe it was Burke who handled the panties and placed them on JonBenet. I do not believe for one second that Patsy would have chosen to place size 12 panties on a slight 45-pound six-year-old. I believe that it was Patsy who wiped down JonBenet...because what male would even think to wipe down JonBenet's labia...this is something only a female would do.

BlueCrab could be right on some things...like Burke taking the bowl of pineapple out of the refrigerator for JonBenet. There is a drawer slightly open where Patsy described where the eating utensils were kept. Only a child would think not to close the drawer all the way.

So we have Burke serving JonBenet pineapple...going back upstairs and playing doctor with his sister...Patsy catching them and then takes JonBenet to her bedroom...where things got pretty heated and JonBenet gets hit over the head with the flashlight. I believe Patsy blamed JonBenet for what she let Burke do to her. It was not Burke's fault...it was the little-miss america's fault...and Patsy was not going to put up with her naughty behavior any longer.

This is my opinion and cannot be copied to any other forums.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

It was JonBenét who put the panties on herself. Any 6 year old child is perfectly capable of dressing herself and selecting what she wants to wear.

A child that age may not make selections of clothing that are suitable to the occasion, the situation, the season of the year, etc and may get overruled by a parent, but they can choose & put on their own underwear without parental supervision.

No matter what size panties JonBenét had been wearing, when her mother changed her out of the velvet tights (or pants) which JonBenét was asleep and lying prone, the underwear would tend to slide down with the pants. Mother would need to pull the panties back up, and the pants down, then put on the longjohns that served that night as pajama bottoms.

Mothers don't turn on the lights and check the size of their children's underwear when undressing a sleeping child and putting them into pajamas.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab, whose grand jury testimony do you believe convinced the jurors that Burke did it?
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Of course, I don't know what the witnesses said to the grand jurors, but probably the most significant testimonies came from Burke Ramsey, Doug Stine, and Susan Stine. IMO Burke confessed to the jurors.

After Burke testified for 5 hours the jurors cancelled all further witnesses and took a 4-month hiatus as GJ investigators followed up on what had been told the jurors. When the jurors returned they called in Susan Stine, Melinda Ramsey and John Andrew Ramsey to testify and then permanently adjourned days later.

The murder was likely solved, it involved very young children who were protected by Colorado law and could not be identified, so the jurors didn't even issue a written report. It was time to try and bring a solved murder case to closure without publicly identifying the killers.

John and Patsy Ramsey, the two most important witnesses in the case, were never called to testify.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

LP, so what you're saying is that Patsy was wrong and really had no idea what size panties JonBenet was wearing when she was put to bed. What else do you suppose Patsy was wrong about?
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