NE - Omaha Double Murder #3 - *Arrest Made*

Tom's mother was quoted in an interview as saying that the knives were 'left behind' and I took that to mean they had been brought in by the killer. I was also told that (1) Both victims were found with the knives still imbedded in their bodies and (2) A very small DNA sample was recovered that is thought to be of the perp but that it was not matched to anyone in data bases.

Over the past couple years I have been told some things by contatcs that now look to have not been correct, so take this for what it is worth.
Assuming that the path OPD is on now is correct I would feel that the perp came there to kill, this was not a case of someone coming there and then something going bad. He was let into the house probably by Tom who'd been expecting him.

One thing just occured to me; AMW gave us Tom's screen names. Wouldn't it have made more sense to have given out the screen names of suspect individuals he'd been chatting with?

BBM
I don't think so Snick. Everything I have learned here on WS leads me to believe it is not difficult for those who know how to determine at least the IP address of any user name/screen name, and thus the identify of the person using that name, or at least the location of the computer. My guess is LE already knows who Tom was chatting with, but has no direct evidence to tie any of those folks to this murder. I surmise that giving out TOM's screen names is to help them find others who may have witnessed online interactions that Tom had but not necessarily taken part themselves. Does that make sense?
 
BBM
I don't think so Snick. Everything I have learned here on WS leads me to believe it is not difficult for those who know how to determine at least the IP address of any user name/screen name, and thus the identify of the person using that name, or at least the location of the computer. My guess is LE already knows who Tom was chatting with, but has no direct evidence to tie any of those folks to this murder. I surmise that giving out TOM's screen names is to help them find others who may have witnessed online interactions that Tom had but not necessarily taken part themselves. Does that make sense?

OK that makes sense. LE probably already had an idea of who Tom may have angered and by releasing his screen names wanted to prod some memories- perhaps others interected with this guy and he then weirded out on them. I still would bet that they have records showing something really bad going down online with Tom the last week of his life.

I also would bet- and unless the case goes to trial we may never know- that it was Tom who let the guy into the house. Visiting cleaning ladies usually do not take the initiative in things like that.
 
Just bumping up the thread and wish to share this article.

A lovesick 13-year-old Texas girl who took her brother’s car and drove almost 800 miles to visit a 12-year-old boy she met online is now heartbroken and fears that everything ‘Dylan’ told her was lies.

Meanwhile Beth Robinson’s parents are relieved that their daughter didn’t find ‘Dylan’ who might have been a sexual predator.

On Thursday, Beth was just 130 miles away from where she planned to meet ‘Dylan’ when she was stopped by a state trooper who noticed that the car she was driving matched the description included in an Amber Alert which had been issued for her.

But it is still not clear whether ‘Dylan’, who Beth met on the Internet through the Xbox video game Call of Duty in March, is the 12-year-old boy he said he was.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fear-lured-sexual-predator.html#ixzz264sHXNlp


wm
 
Wouldn't it be something if we find out that Tom was killed by some gamer who was enraged at him over something that happened during an online video game? The guy could have tracked down Tom's location then gone to the home masquerading as a delivery person. Probably his intent was to take out Tom but then he had to deal with Shirlee who he wasn't looking to be there. I'd bet that LE already knows the motive- and possibly have a good idea who did it. God I wish we knew what was happening..
 
Wouldn't it be something if we find out that Tom was killed by some gamer who was enraged at him over something that happened during an online video game? The guy could have tracked down Tom's location then gone to the home masquerading as a delivery person. Probably his intent was to take out Tom but then he had to deal with Shirlee who he wasn't looking to be there. I'd bet that LE already knows the motive- and possibly have a good idea who did it. God I wish we knew what was happening..



BBM

Me too, Snick.

These online gaming systems are a virtual hunting ground for predators. I have also read msm stories about knife murders occuring over gaming. It seems some with anger issues transition from the virtual reality world into the real world to settle a score. IMO, OPD is on the right track. I can't imagine the man hours it must take on computer forensics alone. Not to mention following up on tips. Let's hope for OPD to get a break in the case because this waiting is hard......I can't imagine how Tom and Shirlee's family members must feel.

wm
 
I have not posted for nearly a month as I wanted to more or less let matters settle following the AMW broadcast. I think most of those following this thread are in the same mindset- there is nothing new to be said and we are hopefully waiting. I do think we can all be happy LE finally agreed to air this segment on AMW. I do believe our discussion had some small degree of influence on their decision to do so.

I personally have some small sense of closure as we now have a fair idea of what may have happened here. It's still astounding to me that an eleven year old kid would be chatting up strangers in some of the chat rooms he apparently was in. It may well have been the 'isolated incident' LE referred to at first, but this guy is still out there and he needs to be taken out of society. Kudos to Lt Kanger and the OPD unit working this case.
 
I am bumping up the thread. It has been two months- almost- since my last post. There seems little more to say. After the AMW broadcast it seems the air has gone out of the room on this case. There has been zero mention in local media and none that I can find anywhere at all.

We have not come to the end of the journey here, but certainly have come to a new phase, one that I doubt can be shared with the public. I have great faith in OPD staff now handling and can only hope and pray that justice may someday be done.

I appreciate all of you who participate in this discussion..
 
Thanks for keeping the thread going Snick! I still think MB is the perp, but this horrible Israel Keyes serial killer does loook like the perp sketch also.
 
Hi all! I took a break from WS and am glad to see you all are still here!

I was thinking about Tom and Shirlee and their families because of the holiday season. It must be difficult to celebrate the holidays when a loved one is missed and my thoughts and prayers are with them.

Lately, I've had a sense of peace that this case will be solved with Lt Kangar and Co. working it. It must take awhile to follow up on all the tips received after the AMW episode.

geojeffrey, I haven't ruled out MB as a suspect either. Wonder where he's landed these days. As far as Israel Keyes, he was a traveler and left hidden 'killing caches' around the country. However, I saw a police interrogation video of him on GMA and he said that he preferred to abduct his victims in rural areas. He said that the 'pickings' weren't as good but there was less chance of being caught on video in a rural area as opposed to populated areas. So I dunno if a nice upper class neighborhood would fit his m.o. but he was a SK so I wouldn't trust anything he says really. I agree that he does have a similar profile as the composite sketch.

JMO

wm
 
Thanks for keeping the thread going Snick! I still think MB is the perp, but this horrible Israel Keyes serial killer does loook like the perp sketch also.

Keyes does have an uncanny resemblence to the POI in the police sketch. I found this article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...l-keyes-similarities-20121205,0,4877232.story

My bet is that he's not our man. Keyes doesn't look to have knife killings as his routine, also the Dundee area is an upscale well travelled place- he looks to prefer isolated places. One thought- now that he has mercifully removed himself from the world, maybe a DNA test can be run? I am convinced OPD has DNA from the perp.
 
The following comment was left apparently by someone in Omaha on the website 'True Crime Diary':

'On 1/06/2010, I said that the sketch of the olive skin man looks like someone I know. In 3/2008, I notified Crimestoppers. After amw aired in August 2012, I called and left a another tip with my cell phone number. No one from opd called. I told my neighbor and she & I sent a photo from 2008 beside the sketch and a few other concerns. One concern was that this person was selling Primerica financial products door to door in the afternoon wearing a tie, suit,& long coat when making these house calls. This person would drive a borrowed 2007silver Honda crv. OPD told me in Sept2012 that it can't be who I suspect because the silver Honda in question was much newer than what was observed. '

I find this interesting. It was posted three months ago and just this evening came to my attention. To me it may suggest that the notorious 'Man with the briefcase' may have been a salesman, not connected with the crime. This is apparently the same poster who some time ago posted an intriguing comment about how the POI sketch resembled someone he knew. Probably this means little or nothing. But it is just another mystery inside the big mystery..
 
The following comment was left apparently by someone in Omaha on the website 'True Crime Diary':

'On 1/06/2010, I said that the sketch of the olive skin man looks like someone I know. In 3/2008, I notified Crimestoppers. After amw aired in August 2012, I called and left a another tip with my cell phone number. No one from opd called. I told my neighbor and she & I sent a photo from 2008 beside the sketch and a few other concerns. One concern was that this person was selling Primerica financial products door to door in the afternoon wearing a tie, suit,& long coat when making these house calls. This person would drive a borrowed 2007silver Honda crv. OPD told me in Sept2012 that it can't be who I suspect because the silver Honda in question was much newer than what was observed. '

I find this interesting. It was posted three months ago and just this evening came to my attention. To me it may suggest that the notorious 'Man with the briefcase' may have been a salesman, not connected with the crime. This is apparently the same poster who some time ago posted an intriguing comment about how the POI sketch resembled someone he knew. Probably this means little or nothing. But it is just another mystery inside the big mystery..


Hey Snick! I remember reading that 2010 post. The poster also connected the vehicle to a ballroom dance studio where he also worked and borrowed the vehicle, IIRC. Or am I mistaken? It seems I recall researching ballroom dance studios in the area and there were a few red flags which I cannot mention here. You know how point A leads to point B and so on and so forth....

Perhaps OPD knows more than we do or they are trying to deflect suspicion to protect the case.

Following this case is akin to watching 'National Treasure', everything is 'just another clue'.

wm
 
"the silver Honda in question was much newer than what was observed."

And, they know this how? Are they basing this on the eyewitness accounts of neighbors, many of which have already proven to be contradictory if not inaccurate? This seems like a brushoff to me, although we have only the word of the individual making the report as to how they actually handled it.

IDK if this will work but I will try to put a link to the discussion onthe True Crime Diary board:

http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=51&mode=comments#view

Some interesting ones besides the one under discussion.
 
The following comment was left apparently by someone in Omaha on the website 'True Crime Diary':

'On 1/06/2010, I said that the sketch of the olive skin man looks like someone I know. In 3/2008, I notified Crimestoppers. After amw aired in August 2012, I called and left a another tip with my cell phone number. No one from opd called. I told my neighbor and she & I sent a photo from 2008 beside the sketch and a few other concerns. One concern was that this person was selling Primerica financial products door to door in the afternoon wearing a tie, suit,& long coat when making these house calls. This person would drive a borrowed 2007silver Honda crv. OPD told me in Sept2012 that it can't be who I suspect because the silver Honda in question was much newer than what was observed. '

I find this interesting. It was posted three months ago and just this evening came to my attention. To me it may suggest that the notorious 'Man with the briefcase' may have been a salesman, not connected with the crime. This is apparently the same poster who some time ago posted an intriguing comment about how the POI sketch resembled someone he knew. Probably this means little or nothing. But it is just another mystery inside the big mystery..

Hey everyone..just thought I'd drop in and keep this thread alive also. Very interesting, I will have to check that link out. But I agree with you Snick that it most likely was a salesmen and has nothing to do with the murders of Thomas and Shirley and it was simple circumstance that he was seen at the home the same day they were murdered. Or another theory is that the 'salesman' could have been the killer but he was disguising himself as a salesman to blend in.
 
Hey everyone..just thought I'd drop in and keep this thread alive also. Very interesting, I will have to check that link out. But I agree with you Snick that it most likely was a salesmen and has nothing to do with the murders of Thomas and Shirley and it was simple circumstance that he was seen at the home the same day they were murdered. Or another theory is that the 'salesman' could have been the killer but he was disguising himself as a salesman to blend in.

If I wanted to go to an area and murder someone the last thing I'd do would be to go door to door beforehand. If the guy referred to was in fact the same guy the poster knows it means that the 'Man with the Briefcase' was just someone who happened to be in the neighborhood that day. One thing, it does seem strange that if he was going door to door that someone long ago hasn't told LE or the media that he visited their home.

He wouldn't have been alone out there that day. There were some Jehovah's Wittnesses out there too, about a block away and I think I recall reading that they had reported seeing this other guy.

I would love for this poster on True Crime to join WS and fill us in on some of this. I sense he is conflicted, knows the guy he is talking about.
 
Snick, I understand what you mean about the person being conflicted. It would be difficult to accept that someone you know or work alongside every day would be capable of such a heinous crime.

I am also curious if the person who was working at a medical clinic the night of the murders ever called in a tip. The poster said it would take search warrants and such due to Hippa laws but seemed to elude that a patient was treated who had suspicious wounds.

Hi Ozzie! Great reading you!

wm
 
Just wanted to post this article about the school shooter (I refuse to type his name) which explains how LE can retrieve information from an x-box. I'm hopeful that OPD has retrieved more information from Tom's xbox than we are aware of.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/adam-lanzas-hard-drive_n_2324410.html

What's more, Lanza's reported obsession with "Call of Duty," a first-person shooter video game, may also offer clues. Microsoft's Xbox allows players to collaborate with each other online while playing the game. Such conversations, if they exist, are likely stored in the game console and could provide investigators with information that he sent other players and topics they discussed, Ferraro said.

wm
 
Just wanted to post this article about the school shooter (I refuse to type his name) which explains how LE can retrieve information from an x-box. I'm hopeful that OPD has retrieved more information from Tom's xbox than we are aware of.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/adam-lanzas-hard-drive_n_2324410.html

What's more, Lanza's reported obsession with "Call of Duty," a first-person shooter video game, may also offer clues. Microsoft's Xbox allows players to collaborate with each other online while playing the game. Such conversations, if they exist, are likely stored in the game console and could provide investigators with information that he sent other players and topics they discussed, Ferraro said.

wm

Yes i think they are much further along than we know. I also think they have had a good idea for some time who Tom interacted with on line and who killed him, maybe not by his name but at least by the one he used online. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that LE is setting up a situation to entrap him.

My son played Call of Duty but got bored with it, said it was too violent- he likes more intelligent gaming.
 
Wow! This thread was bumped all the way to page 7! Hoping for progress and an update as the anniversary of Tom's and Shirlee's murders is coming up in March.

Snick, I hope you are correct in your above post. Thanks for keeping the thread bumped up.

wm
 
I have not been pursuing things on this case as in the past but this evening noted that someone left an interesting comment on the WOWT TV news website, this was posted a couple months ago and I found this viewer's comments interesting:

"I've read a lot on this story. Everything I have read on this case, unfortunately, leads me to believe that this was probably a prof. hit, to intimidate the parents; the murders brutal fashion. (The perpetrator went in wearing a black coat, black does not show blood; therefore, he probably knew he would kill them, before he went in) His coat was probably, a rain coat/absorbant. He did not immediately know which house he was looking for, but prob. had the address, and details, from someone else. (Probably also had a change of clothes that closely resembled what he was wearing, going in., in his briefcase; he was very prepared) The perpetrator probably had stolen license plates, and had the address. He probably knew the housekeeper, and the boy, would be there. He probably even knew both of their names. He used a knife, because it was quiet, and this was during the day. The fact that both were stabbed in the throat, seems very significant; he did not want them to scream. Gun shots would have brought attention. If you do any reading on some older hit men, that were involved with many murders, in NY, this was their MO, especially in the beginning of their careers. The perpetrator was not scared, or ruffled, because there were probably no ties to him, and this child/the housekeeper, and obviously this person has done this so many times before, he was unaffected, and probably felt somehow justified. He may have even been so bold, as to have taken a shower in the house, to rinse off blood droplets. Only a professional would be able to have done this to a child, and a woman, and not be affected. I would be looking at whom the parents had worked with, in a residency program, that was probably rejected, after years of studying/preparation, to be a doctor; and someone whom could afford a hit like this."

I have never been able to comprehend why someone would cold bloodily kill like this if there was no personal connection, but anything's possible. One point of interest- IMO if this was a professional it was not a seasoned professional. By that I mean it was not the kind of hired help that does this sort of thing for a living. Very many professional hit men will NOT kill a child. I can easily envision this being some former special forces dude who killed as part of his commando duties. It was something he was paid to do perhaps by someone he knew, or by someone who contacted him anonymously through an ad or online and that someone had a terrific grudge against the Hunters. Look in some of the macho men's magazines or even in some supermarket tabloids and you can find ads from 'soldiers of fortune', at least last time I looked I did.

Also consider the timing, whomever did this either knew the schedule for the household or was briefed by someone who did. He struck at a time when the victims were alone and vulnerable. It was timed so that Dr. Hunter would find the bodies when he arrived home.

I realize this goes against the line that AMW took in their show but I cannot help wondering if Tom's online activities, while interesting, had nothing to do with the killings. This case may never be solved but no one involved should quit trying.
 

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