NE NE - Raymond Harris, 20, Omaha, 26 Nov 1971

[renaebri]

I'm just curious where you found the wedding information at.

There's a marriage license on this paper dated 02 Oct 1971

Omaha World-Herald 02 Oct 1971, page 28 - Newspapers.com

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Raymond Dale Harris, 911 S. 24th St., 20.
Mary Theresa Sudac, 1325 S. 33rd St., 16.

Idk about the other they mentioned.

 

[Pennysmom1]

Raymond Harris Missing Veteran

Raymond was last seen leaving a family member's residence in the vicinity of the 600 block of S. 27th St. in Omaha, NE. He contacted family to inform them he was leaving Nebraska and was moving to a family member's residence in Des Moines, IA but never ar

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Raymond Dale Harris - Nebraska Missing Person Directory

Details and Pictures of Raymond Dale Harris, Missing since November 1971

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[DS2021]

I cant help but wonder if their vehicle ended up in a body of water. We've been seeing alot of cases solved, where the missing person(s) simply got into an accident and ended up in water

 

[DS2021]

I found NamUs UP case 2623, who was found in 1984 in Des Moines.

Ruled out in NamUs. He has over 60 exclusions

 

[DS2021]

Ruled out in NamUs. He has over 60 exclusions

 

[Diane Redfern]

I've found this:
Survived by daughters, Mary T. Harris, Cynthia ( Anthony) Horton; grandchildren, Ginna, Anthony and Sarah; numerous great grandchildren; sisters, Lena Risolvato, Antoinette (Frank) DiMauro; numerous nieces and nephews.

Mary R. Sudac (1926-2015) - Find a Grave Memorial

Survived by daughters, Mary T. Harris, Cynthia ( Anthony) Horton; grandchildren, Ginna, Anthony and Sarah; numerous great grandchildren; sisters, Lena Risolvato, Antoinette (Frank) DiMauro; numerous nieces and nephews. SERVICES Thursday, 10am at St. Pius X Catholic Church. Interment Calvary...

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[AirForceVet24]

Just a quick snidbit in this case, the family of Raymond Harris reached out to me via my Locks of Reunification facebook group today. We had made a flyer for Raymond back in August. Ray's mother searched for him until she passed away and the family is really unsure of what happened to Ray. Family DNA is in Codis in the event that his remains are found.

 

[AirForceVet24]

So I got a question sleuthers.

So myself and a colleague have been reading into this case. We looked at historical weather data and it was for snowing the day they went missing, though I dont see a lot accumulation. The Charley project states that they left at night and temps would have been below the freezing point. The route they would have taken is through Interstate 80. Could they have hit black ice and driven into a creek by accident? I get the details afterward that she may possibly be alive ect. But perhaps she was not close with her family?

 

[Dnp2be]

So I got a question sleuthers.

So myself and a colleague have been reading into this case. We looked at historical weather data and it was for snowing the day they went missing, though I dont see a lot accumulation. The Charley project states that they left at night and temps would have been below the freezing point. The route they would have taken is through Interstate 80. Could they have hit black ice and driven into a creek by accident? I get the details afterward that she may possibly be alive ect. But perhaps she was not close with her family?

Wasn’t around yet but in Nebraska black ice is very real. I’ve hit it and went off the road once and my best friends mom died from hitting a patch in the mid 80’s here. As far as going into a creek I am not sure what was around off 80 at that time. Shouldn’t be too hard to find out imo though. Good thought tho. I’m curious if anyone has more info on the wife or her family. She must have been estranged if they never asked for all those years? Also, I read about the strained relationship at his father’s? Was that ever explored more?

 

[AirForceVet24]

I have talked to his family quite a bit with the idea that I wanted to find out more about the relationship with his dad. From what I can see the relationship was pretty violate though the significance of it is really unknown even to the family. His family did a DNA test not too long ago which found no other unknown family members.

As for Mary's family. I did ancestry research on them and I can see that she has a sister that may still be alive. Her sister would be in her 60s and she has grandchildren as well. As for Mary herself, I really could not find anything on her at all, I know her birthdate and when she married Raymond, but thats about it. Someone on another forum mentioned that she had a SSN issued in 1973? I get the feeling that she was not close with her family at all.

On the whereaboutsunknown page, someone pointed out that a Raymond D Harris married a Floy Marie Shull on November 26, 1971 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Out of sheer curiosity, I looked into this angle, but not enough to go down an unnecessary rabbit hole. The fact is that theirs probably tons of Raymond Dale Harris's in the US. If the missing date is November 26, 1971, then theirs no way that he would have got married on that date, especially since Las Vegas is about a 20 hour drive from Nebraska. This would change the last seen date to about...idk 2 or 3 days prior?


In my opinion, the key to really unlocking this case goes back to the car. If my memory is right, he basically had a brand new car when he went missing, so it would be imperative to know the vinn number and perhaps see if the car was ever de-registered. Obviously historical DMV records only go back so far, so I think law enforcement would have to dig through any sort of records if they still exist.

My thoughts are that he had an argument with his father that night and then drove to Iowa. Their no doubt would have been moisture on the ground so him hitting a stretch of black ice is a very real possibility. Combined with the fact that he could have had other things on his mind. I think some of the creeks on 80 would have been there though I am not from Nebraska lol.

Also we did do an FOIA in his case and heard back from Omaha the same day. They declined it basically because they did not want to send it to me. lol!

 

[Dnp2be]

I have talked to his family quite a bit with the idea that I wanted to find out more about the relationship with his dad. From what I can see the relationship was pretty violate though the significance of it is really unknown even to the family. His family did a DNA test not too long ago which found no other unknown family members.

As for Mary's family. I did ancestry research on them and I can see that she has a sister that may still be alive. Her sister would be in her 60s and she has grandchildren as well. As for Mary herself, I really could not find anything on her at all, I know her birthdate and when she married Raymond, but thats about it. Someone on another forum mentioned that she had a SSN issued in 1973? I get the feeling that she was not close with her family at all.

On the whereaboutsunknown page, someone pointed out that a Raymond D Harris married a Floy Marie Shull on November 26, 1971 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Out of sheer curiosity, I looked into this angle, but not enough to go down an unnecessary rabbit hole. The fact is that theirs probably tons of Raymond Dale Harris's in the US. If the missing date is November 26, 1971, then theirs no way that he would have got married on that date, especially since Las Vegas is about a 20 hour drive from Nebraska. This would change the last seen date to about...idk 2 or 3 days prior?


In my opinion, the key to really unlocking this case goes back to the car. If my memory is right, he basically had a brand new car when he went missing, so it would be imperative to know the vinn number and perhaps see if the car was ever de-registered. Obviously historical DMV records only go back so far, so I think law enforcement would have to dig through any sort of records if they still exist.

My thoughts are that he had an argument with his father that night and then drove to Iowa. Their no doubt would have been moisture on the ground so him hitting a stretch of black ice is a very real possibility. Combined with the fact that he could have had other things on his mind. I think some of the creeks on 80 would have been there though I am not from Nebraska lol.

Also we did do an FOIA in his case and heard back from Omaha the same day. They declined it basically because they did not want to send it to me. lol!

That does not at all surprise me about OPD. They jerked me around for almost 2 years before I ended up having to get help from a victims advocate just to have them tell me they wouldn’t investigate a sex crime because the perpetrator was “probably” under the age of cutoff in their policy book. Of course only to have policy changed this year. The entire state failed us in so many ways and I can’t talk about that here but your experience with them is sadly the norm around here.

Thank you for the info you provided on this case. I think I may also bug them for FOI as well. I think a good route, If it’s possible, would be to speak further with her family. I think doing the dna check is very telling. The most likely explanation is they ended up in water somewhere. It’s also probable that the car was retrieved even from a different state and they never worked it any further. Iowa is much different than Nebraska. They prob work better together now days but I know from many friends how different Iowa’s legal process is. Nebraska is so far behind times; it’s unbelievable to me really.

Another question I have for you though. What are your thoughts on this possibly being a murder suicide? Maybe it was no accident they drove into a creek or the river?