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But isn't dousing the family pet with gasoline and tossing them into a fire pit, a bit more than the usual 'animal abuse' we hear about? That is extremely horrific and cold hearted. I cannot believe that any 20 yr old that could do that would ever become a compassionate human being. He was not a child when he did that brutal act.

Katy I get it. I wouldn't try to disagree with anyone who wanted to see an animal abuser get put away. And even if you believe SA should still be put way because of it, I get it. My point is that animal abuse in ones developing years does not always guarantee escalating violence.
It doesn't tell us whether or not SA committed this crime just like it didn't tell us if he did the 1985 rape.
I believe anyone can become a compassionate human being. Many have become so after long prison sentences.
My instincts tell me SA is innocent of this murder. But fully acknowledge that there is a possibility he is not.
 
For everyone wondering about Avery transcripts, reddit has been trying to pull together an effort to get them. His entire case file is supposedly around 15,000 pages, and costs of copying range from .50-1.25 a page so I think it should be obvious why they aren't online lol. And earlier I said they were accessed through calumet, I stand corrected, they would be accessed through Manitowoc.


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‘Making a Murderer’ Prosecutor Emails Us 9 Reasons Steven Avery Is Guilty

  1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”.
  2. Avery targeted Teresa.
  3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel.
  4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released.
  5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey.
  6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
  7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives.
  8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV).
  9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6.


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Comment: TBH, even though I, personally, think SA is very likely guilty, I am not seeing anything that screams "beyond a reasonable doubt."

That is, there's a great deal of hearsay. For example, the claim that Teresa was terrified of Avery, that he planned to build a torture chamber. The latter coming from another inmate.

Additionally, the hint that the bones belonged to more than one person is quite odd. If true, shouldn't they be trying to find out who?

That the rifle was in the police evidence locker (was this the same evidence locker that contained his blood from the previous trial?) since 11/6 actually supports the planting theory as opposed to refuting it.

Eta ~ excellent "rebuttal" in the comments section, by Alex Sharp (who appears to be an attorney).
 
Out of curiosity... Someone always mentions occam's razor... How would you interpret it when applied to this case?

Occam's Razor is being incorrectly cited here.

It doesn't just mean "the simplest explanation" - it means the hypothesis relying on the least assumptions.

We would need to decide what is assumption here (something we just accept as true without proof) and what isn't. With so many variables, so many unknowns and so many instances of evidence that could point in either direction it is very difficult to know.

Occam's Razor is really a vestige of Medieval "science" when they had no alternative ways to figure out what was true and what wasn't other than just thinking about it. It's not taken particularly seriously these days - and some scientists would tell you that Occam's Razor itself can be used to show that the simplest explanation is NOT always the correct one.

I think people use it (wrongly) to mean: "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....." etc, but it doesn't really mean that at all.

To answer your question, Occam's Razor cannot be usefully applied to this case.
 
Considering that everything he did to cover this crime up to make it APPEAR that he was being framed, nothing would surprise me. The reason all of these points seem so ridiculous is because he knew exactly what he was doing and had had 18 years to plan it out exactly the way it would look as if he was framed if he ever got the chance. And he did get the chance.

You seriously have to be joking.

He spent 18 years figuring out exactly how to look like he'd been framed in case he ever felt like brutally murdering someone and to that end......

Knew the police had his blood vial, so left some of his own......but made sure he left no fingerprints or hair to confuse matters

Scrubbed the key of Teresa's DNA, then carefully planted his own....hiding it in the exact right place so that it would not be found on the first 6 searches of a tiny bedroom - but would be on the 7th

Ditto the bullet

Knew that if he burnt her body then moved it (scattering bones here and there) everyone would be confused and be unable to conclude anything

Deliberately choose the least intelligent of all his relatives to come along and help him burn the body and clean up the blood

Words fail me.

Steven Avery is a criminal mastermind, clearly. I shall henceforth be calling him Dr Evil.

*Although, I think I'd better hold off giving him a white cat to stroke,.
 
Occam's Razor is being incorrectly cited here.

It doesn't just mean "the simplest explanation" - it means the hypothesis relying on the least assumptions.

We would need to decide what is assumption here (something we just accept as true without proof) and what isn't. With so many variables, so many unknowns and so many instances of evidence that could point in either direction it is very difficult to know.

Occam's Razor is really a vestige of Medieval "science" when they had no alternative ways to figure out what was true and what wasn't other than just thinking about it. It's not taken particularly seriously these days - and some scientists would tell you that Occam's Razor itself can be used to show that the simplest explanation is NOT always the correct one.

I think people use it (wrongly) to mean: "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....." etc, but it doesn't really mean that at all.

To answer your question, Occam's Razor cannot be usefully applied to this case.

Thank you for finally explaining Occam's Razor correctly! It's mildly frustrating to see it incorrectly applied all the time, I feel like far too many people completely misunderstand this principle.


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It's really disappointing to hear about the material that was left out of the documentary. I wish they had included EVERYTHING.

Elizabeth Ries, one of the reporters in the area at the time, is now saying there was physical evidence against Avery that was not included in the documentary. She remembers experts talking extensively about blood, sweat, DNA, rivets on jeans and phone calls.
 
Kurtz and the sheriff didn't make a 10 hour series of omitted details and call it a documentary. The new documentary coming out by the ID channel will show it all (at least that's what they say) and, at the very least, if people want to still believe that he is innocent, will do it with ALL of the info. I find it very interesting that they released Brendon's trial transcript but not Stevens.

No, they spent six weeks building a case with questionable evidence.
 
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‘Making a Murderer’ Prosecutor Emails Us 9 Reasons Steven Avery Is Guilty

  1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”.
  2. Avery targeted Teresa.
  3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel.
  4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released.
  5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey.
  6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
  7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives.
  8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV).
  9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6.


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Expanded details at above link.

Comment: TBH, even though I, personally, think SA is very likely guilty, I am not seeing anything that screams "beyond a reasonable doubt."

That is, there's a great deal of hearsay. For example, the claim that Teresa was terrified of Avery, that he planned to build a torture chamber. The latter coming from another inmate.

Additionally, the hint that the bones belonged to more than one person is quite odd. If true, shouldn't they be trying to find out who?

That the rifle was in the police evidence locker (was this the same evidence locker that contained his blood from the previous trial?) since 11/6 actually supports the planting theory as opposed to refuting it.

Eta ~ excellent "rebuttal" in the comments section, by Alex Sharp (who appears to be an attorney).

Past incident with cat makes him an 🤬🤬*hole, not necessarily a murderer.
Again, I say whose phone records show Avery himself made the *67 calls ?
Her camera being in burn barrel on property means anyone on property could be responsible.
Wasn't the discussion between SA and ' inmate' made after he was in prison for Teresa's murder ? Or before ?
Has anyone seen , heard the name of or spoken to said inmate ?
This is the first I've heard of someone else's bones . What's that about ?

ETA I wonder if that inmate got his sentence reduced and is out now ...... :thinking:

ETAA Whoa, wait ! Why didn't the DA say anything about the KEY ????? :shame:

ETAAA Oh he did say something about the key in trial. He said ' who cares' or ' what does it matter IF the key is planted '? I forgot he already addressed the key.
 
It's really disappointing to hear about the material that was left out of the documentary. I wish they had included EVERYTHING.

Elizabeth Ries, one of the reporters in the area at the time, is now saying there was physical evidence against Avery that was not included in the documentary. She remembers experts talking extensively about blood, sweat, DNA, rivets on jeans and phone calls.

There was no way to include all 6 weeks of a trial in a 10 hour documentary.

All of the important stuff was there.

Don't know who Elizabeth Ries is but she's clearly just parroting Ken Krantz who has emailed the world and his wife a list of "damaging evidence left out".

This has all been addressed at length on this thread and lots of us feel that it's all a bit "meh" and neither advances or damages either Steven's or Brendan's claims to innocence.

Oh...and some of the evidence left out was quite good defence stuff, although Krantz isn't, of course, whining about that.
 
For everyone wondering about Avery transcripts, reddit has been trying to pull together an effort to get them. His entire case file is supposedly around 15,000 pages, and costs of copying range from .50-1.25 a page so I think it should be obvious why they aren't online lol. And earlier I said they were accessed through calumet, I stand corrected, they would be accessed through Manitowoc.


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Wow, so the document doesn't already exist as a .pdf ? It's 2016 now, right ?

Makes sense though, given the apparent lack of technology at used in the system.

Thanks for that info, and explanation.
 
Past incident with cat makes him an 🤬🤬*hole, not necessarily a murderer.
Again, I say whose phone records show Avery himself made the *67 calls ?
Her camera being in burn barrel on property means anyone on property could be responsible.
Wasn't the discussion between SA and ' inmate' made after he was in prison for Teresa's murder ? Or before ?
Has anyone seen , heard the name of or spoken to said inmate ?
This is the first I've heard of someone else's bones . What's that about ?

ETA I wonder if that inmate got his sentence reduced and is out now ...... :thinking:

ETAA Whoa, wait ! Why didn't the DA say anything about the KEY ????? :shame:

ETAAA Oh he did say something about the key in trial. He said ' who cares' or ' what does it matter IF the key is planted'? I forgot he already addressed the key.

BBM - Honestly her camera, phone and palm pilot being found in the burn barrel doesn't really surprise me. Was it burned? That's what I want to know. If it was burned like the bones then it means nothing really....*IF* her body was initially burned in the quarry they could have thrown her belongs on the fire as well....and *IF* someone shoveled up the remains to move them to SA's burn pit then those belongings would have moved along with the remains.

If the items were not in a burned state then it still wouldn't mean that much to me because I do believe the key and the bullet were plants so if those items were not burned I could consider the possibility that those were plants too. Had the investigation been nice and tidy and MPD stayed out of the scene like they were supposed to I would find the personal items a lot more compelling. With all the questions surrounding a lot of the evidence I'm just not blown away by those 3 items.
 
I love the burn barrel as some smoking gun. WHY tf would anything of hers BE in the burn barrel if she was burned on the burn pile and left there?

(psst because the body was burned elsewhere and transported to that burn pile)
 
Wow, so the document doesn't already exist as a .pdf ? It's 2016 now, right ?

Makes sense though, given the apparent lack of technology at used in the system.

Thanks for that info, and explanation.

It's actually pretty standard for someone to have to convert transcripts or case files to online format. Someone had to do like 400 pages just recently in the Teresa Sivers case.
 
I love the burn barrel as some smoking gun. WHY tf would anything of hers BE in the burn barrel if she was burned on the burn pile and left there?

(psst because the body was burned elsewhere and transported to that burn pile)

Exactly. I really don't understand why the burn barrel is that big of a deal when her bones were found in 3 places. I can't believe anyone would be surprised her belongings could be in the same location as her remains...it's not shocking really. I'm more interested in the state of those items. I want to know if they were burned or not....does anyone know? Not that it makes a huge difference to my thoughts but I'm curious.
 
Is there real evidence of double relations among the Avery family? I remember reading that somewhere, but not sure of its veracity. What kind of impact would that have on a DNA result? Meaning, how similar is the DNA between the Avery siblings?
 
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‘Making a Murderer’ Prosecutor Emails Us 9 Reasons Steven Avery Is Guilty

  1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”.
  2. Avery targeted Teresa.
  3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel.
  4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released.
  5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey.
  6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
  7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives.
  8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV).
  9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6.


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Expanded details at above link.

Comment: TBH, even though I, personally, think SA is very likely guilty, I am not seeing anything that screams "beyond a reasonable doubt."

That is, there's a great deal of hearsay. For example, the claim that Teresa was terrified of Avery, that he planned to build a torture chamber. The latter coming from another inmate.

Additionally, the hint that the bones belonged to more than one person is quite odd. If true, shouldn't they be trying to find out who?

That the rifle was in the police evidence locker (was this the same evidence locker that contained his blood from the previous trial?) since 11/6 actually supports the planting theory as opposed to refuting it.

Eta ~ excellent "rebuttal" in the comments section, by Alex Sharp (who appears to be an attorney).

Oh dear, this man is really trying to redeem himself in any way possible. My short answer to all of his 9 "facts" is that "shut up, Kratz, you are sex-offender who preys on weak abuse victims and grandstanded in the most disgusting way possible by glorifying the preposterous story of an evil disgusting rape, torture and murder to the general public (after anyone under the age of 15 leaves the room.) You probably enjoy thinking about that scenario nightly, you sick pig. But I'll just do this:


Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”. - not evidence of a murder, particularly this one.
Avery targeted Teresa. - this may be an aggravating circumstance, but can only be accurately stated if he actually did the crime
Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Planted
While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. By whom? Is there documentation of this? What was given to the informant in return? Was this included in the trial?
The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. BBM - enough said
Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire. First time I have heard about the tools, but I thought I remember the tooth and rivet included in the doc, but OK. Again - all could have been transferred there along with the bones, the tires, etc...
Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Again - assumptive that this would be out of character. His lawyers did explain that since he was notorious, he was in the habit of dialing *67 on a regular basis.
Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). We have seen how easy it is to transfer slight DNA in a lab accidentally by even "talking" over a sample. It wouldn't surprise me if his DNA got transferred to one of the slides or if someone rubbed his toothbrush onto the latch.
Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6. Well actually no - I don't believe they stated that. I believe they stated that the bullet COULD have been fired by his gun which again, was in police custody!

And finally, Mr. Kratz, no one can believe a word of what you say because you are a disgusting sleezeball who would have continued your disgusting behavior until today had you not been caught. But we should believe you now because you went to rehab? You've changed? But you tell us we should assume SA is a murderer because he killed a cat over 20 years prior to this???
 
None of the outraged masses claiming corruption by law enforcement to enhance the murder case against Avery will ever admit it but there was far more valid evidence of police corruption in California v Simpson than exists in tbd Avery case.

How on earth is that relevant? How silly.
 
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‘Making a Murderer’ Prosecutor Emails Us 9 Reasons Steven Avery Is Guilty

  1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”.
  2. Avery targeted Teresa.
  3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel.
  4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released.
  5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey.
  6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
  7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives.
  8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV).
  9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6.


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Expanded details at above link.

Comment: TBH, even though I, personally, think SA is very likely guilty, I am not seeing anything that screams "beyond a reasonable doubt."

That is, there's a great deal of hearsay. For example, the claim that Teresa was terrified of Avery, that he planned to build a torture chamber. The latter coming from another inmate.

Additionally, the hint that the bones belonged to more than one person is quite odd. If true, shouldn't they be trying to find out who?

That the rifle was in the police evidence locker (was this the same evidence locker that contained his blood from the previous trial?) since 11/6 actually supports the planting theory as opposed to refuting it.

Eta ~ excellent "rebuttal" in the comments section, by Alex Sharp (who appears to be an attorney).


All these things have been noted before, and discussed. But most of it is highly questionable to many given they believe police planted evidence.

#7 is by no means proof, but everything regarding why teresa was there that day and the phone calls , messages, change in her routine (she left an empty bill of sale), etc is suspicious. I no doubt believe she'd been there before and so in that respect it was business as usual. But did all this other stuff go on every time she came there :

Avery calls to Auto Trader and sets appointment for B.Janda (barb janda) and requests halbach. Not by name, but "that girl who's been out here before".
Halbach calls Barb Janda and leaves message that she cannot come to the property unless she makes contact with her. This is because the process is she takes the pic and gets PAID. She isn't taking pictures unless she gets paid.
Avery calls halbach -- So we know he has her phone number. Likely because she had called on a previous day to make that same phone call about I need to make contact to set appt.
Avery uses *67 to call halbach on several of the calls. I do agree that this is odd. I think *67 is a deliberate thing, it's not something someone does normally imo. But open to hearing an explanation as to why.
Avery obviously made contact and reset the appointment for himself personally, but at this point the Auto Trade would still only know that she was going to see B. Janda not Steve Avery.
Auto Trader and empty bill of sale is found on the computer desk. A normal transaction, given her process at last 2-3 clients , was to get paid, leave a current auto trader, and a bill of sale for the transaction - ie filled out with $40 payment and other information. So in this case, we find the auto trader, but an empty bill of sale which prosecution will say meant they never got to the payment part of their appointment
Yes, I believe that getting paid is indeed the critical point that someone would want to see, to believe that Teresa left.

So I openly admit that NONE of this is proof of guilt. However, it is suspicious to me, and I think it should be suspicious to anyone being objective about this information.

There could be perfectly good explanations for each and every thing. But to me personally, it's just plain suspicious until I hear the explanations from Steve Avery. My opinion on why the defense hasn't addressed any of this or tried to explain it, is because the explanations would seem like alot to swallow for one afternoon. Steve chose not to testify, but certainly they could have cross examined Auto Trader employees and friends/family about how things like this happen everyday in the process of doing her job. for example - People sometimes likely set appointments in a hurry and make honest mistakes or call multiple times to change appt details - hey, I'm going to be home 15 minutes later than I expected, can you wait ? Those are explanations. But the more explanations you hear for a given afternoon where someone was murdered, the more suspicious you SHOULD become. Nothing damning as I said, but very suspicious imo.

So while I have reasonable doubt of avery being guilty, this whole chain of events is something I keep coming back to in my mind. Without this part, I would be far more likely to be even more suspicious of Chuck/Earl or even someone completely unrelated to the junkyard. jmo

But the rest of the list, for the most part, are things that I kind of peeled away as unreliable for one reason or another. Not saying they conclusively are false, but there is reason to believe they might have been planted by police or done by someone other than avery -- for example Strang brought up the moved bones theory, which I haven't heard the prosecution explain satisfactorily, as experts seemed to say it was consistent with bones being moved. Not definitive, but consistent. -- personally, I think it's more than likely they were moved.

Maybe avery trial transcripts will change my mind.
 
All these things have been noted before, and discussed. But most of it is highly questionable to many given they believe police planted evidence.

#7 is by no means proof, but everything regarding why teresa was there that day and the phone calls , messages, change in her routine (she left an empty bill of sale), etc is suspicious. I no doubt believe she'd been there before and so in that respect it was business as usual. But did all this other stuff go on every time she came there :

Avery calls to Auto Trader and sets appointment for B.Janda (barb janda) and requests halbach. Not by name, but "that girl who's been out here before".
Halbach calls Barb Janda and leaves message that she cannot come to the property unless she makes contact with her. This is because the process is she takes the pic and gets PAID. She isn't taking pictures unless she gets paid.
Avery calls halbach -- So we know he has her phone number. Likely because she had called on a previous day to make that same phone call about I need to make contact to set appt.
Avery uses *67 to call halbach on several of the calls. I do agree that this is odd. I think *67 is a deliberate thing, it's not something someone does normally imo. But open to hearing an explanation as to why.
Avery obviously made contact and reset the appointment for himself personally, but at this point the Auto Trade would still only know that she was going to see B. Janda not Steve Avery.
Auto Trader and empty bill of sale is found on the computer desk. A normal transaction, given her process at last 2-3 clients , was to get paid, leave a current auto trader, and a bill of sale for the transaction - ie filled out with $40 payment and other information. So in this case, we find the auto trader, but an empty bill of sale which prosecution will say meant they never got to the payment part of their appointment
Yes, I believe that getting paid is indeed the critical point that someone would want to see, to believe that Teresa left.

So I openly admit that NONE of this is proof of guilt. However, it is suspicious to me, and I think it should be suspicious to anyone being objective about this information.

There could be perfectly good explanations for each and every thing. But to me personally, it's just plain suspicious until I hear the explanations from Steve Avery. My opinion on why the defense hasn't addressed any of this or tried to explain it, is because the explanations would seem like alot to swallow for one afternoon. Steve chose not to testify, but certainly they could have cross examined Auto Trader employees and friends/family about how things like this happen everyday in the process of doing her job. for example - People sometimes likely set appointments in a hurry and make honest mistakes or call multiple times to change appt details - hey, I'm going to be home 15 minutes later than I expected, can you wait ? Those are explanations. But the more explanations you hear for a given afternoon where someone was murdered, the more suspicious you SHOULD become. Nothing damning as I said, but very suspicious imo.

So while I have reasonable doubt of avery being guilty, this whole chain of events is something I keep coming back to in my mind. Without this part, I would be far more likely to be even more suspicious of Chuck/Earl or even someone completely unrelated to the junkyard. jmo

But the rest of the list, for the most part, are things that I kind of peeled away as unreliable for one reason or another. Not saying they conclusively are false, but there is reason to believe they might have been planted by police or done by someone other than avery -- for example Strang brought up the moved bones theory, which I haven't heard the prosecution explain satisfactorily, as experts seemed to say it was consistent with bones being moved. Not definitive, but consistent. -- personally, I think it's more than likely they were moved.

Maybe avery trial transcripts will change my mind.

I believe that she left a blank bill of sale along with the copy of Auto Trader at the prior locations as well. The bill of sale wasn't a receipt for her services. It is a form that needs to be completed after the customer sells the vehicle, so it should be blank.
 
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