GUILTY Netherlands - Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 #4

Hans de Vreij, Dutch journalist | Specialised in defence issues | Former correspondent in Brussels, Geneva, Prague, East Berlin


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#MH17 Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert just told TV "satellite imagery has been shared between intelligence services" /


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No further details, though


BBM

Well I don't need really the tweets, because she is telling this on Dutch TV too. But still, this is n-e-w-s....
 
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If I may, I'd like to include SouthAussie and kimi_SFC as well .... :tyou:

My sweet darlin, I'm only the cheerleader. They did all of the work. I'm a Luddite so I don't do searches well, & I can only translate Romance languages. But I am Dutch, ancestrally speaking.
 
They will be honouring the captains of MH17 tomorrow in Malaysia.

In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the remains of Captain Wan Amran Wan Hussin and Captain Eugene Choo Jin Leong, who were at the controls of MH17 when it was shot down on July 17, would be honoured in a ceremony on Wednesday.


And, in the same report, I think that our Trade Minister is trying to hint that remains from all 38 Aussies on board MH17 have been identified ...

TRADE Minister Andrew Robb has allayed fears deteriorating relations with Russia could affect efforts to recover the remains of Australians killed in the MH17 disaster in Ukraine.

MR Robb on Tuesday said he believed the mission to recover the remains of 38 Australian citizens and residents, killed when the Malaysia Airlines plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, had been completed.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...s-to-return-home/story-e6frfku9-1227044806347
 
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If I may, I'd like to include SouthAussie and kimi_SFC as well .... :tyou:

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OH!! you are correct.

BIG thank you to you guys too!!
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There is still a lot of talk about uninviting Russia to the G20 in Australia this year, but one of the victim's sons has come out against that line of thinking.

But Mr Guard said he should be allowed to attend, and there was more to gain from keeping dialogue open.

“I don’t think that not talking is a good strategy. I don’t think that uninviting him achieves much,” Mr Guard told ABC radio today.

He said the G20 could be a valuable platform for world leaders to ramp up pressure on Russia and Ukraine to end their conflict. Mr Guard said he blamed the conflict, but not necessarily any party involved in it, for his parents’ deaths.

He added that they would want nothing more than an end to the bloodshed.

Mr Guard spoke as Russia declared NATO a major “threat” after the Western military alliance announced plans to reinforce defences in eastern Europe.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...046184946?nk=fedbc382ed2ddaa0616657776fb1aa93
 
'The body of a second British football fan who was killed when a Malaysia Airlines jet was shot down over Ukraine has been identified, the Foreign Office has said.

The Newcastle United fan John Alder, 63, was among the 298 people on board flight MH17, which is believed to have been shot down by pro-Russia separatists five weeks ago.

Alder was travelling to New Zealand with his friend Liam Sweeney, 28, to watch their team play pre-season friendlies.'

His family hope John's body can be returned home soon.

Http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/30/mh17-body-second-british-football-fan-identified

I'm a few days late with this news so it may have already been posted, but Newcastle United have opened a memorial garden in memory of John and Liam.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-28983248

This will also serve as a memorial to all fans of the club who pass away.

At each match since the tragedy, fans have applauded on 17 minutes and sang songs in memory of the two. I was in attendance at two of them and it was very moving. They certainly won't be forgotten. :)
 
"A preliminary report on the reasons behind the Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine will be released within days.

The report will be ready at the end of the week or early next week, DSB spokeswoman Sara Vernooij said.

According to Vernooij, the preliminary report will include the first results from the flight recorders and data from other sources such as satellites and radars.

As for the full report, “it’ll take about a year to complete,” she said, adding that it is likely to be published in summer 2015."

http://rt.com/news/184592-mh17-preliminary-report-crash/
 
MISTAKES IN DUTCH SEARCH FOR VICTIMS

Jeroen Akkermans, RTL Nieuws reports:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/fouten-bij-nederlandse-zoektocht-slachtoffers-mh17


Translation:


The Ukrainian commander who was in charge of the recovery of victims of the disaster flight MH17 during the first five days has never spoken with the Dutch mission in the area. This according to research by RTL Nieuws.

RTL Nieuws spoke for the first time with two colonels of the Ukrainian rescue about their salvage work immediately after the disaster. These interviews show that the Dutch mission itself went searching without having possession of important information about the Ukrainian search.

On July 17 at the end of the day, Colonel Alexei Migrin of Emergency Services of the Donetsk region was the man who coordinated the salvage work of the bodies. "I was the leader of the salvage operation," says Migrin. For five days he sent rescue workers, miners and volunteers who went to search for the bodies of victims of the plane crash.

The Fire Marshal of Torez, Sergei Michenko, was one of the first on the scene at the crash site. He was the operational leader of a team of rescue workers that went looking for bodies near Rozsypne. More than two weeks after the disaster he spoke once with two Dutch policemen, for about an hour.

That conversation proved extremely difficult, says Michenko because the Dutch had arranged. a poor interpreter Also, he was not well prepared for the interview because he thought he had a meeting with representatives of the OSCE.

Prime Minister Rutte promised on July 18 that "no stone would be left unturned". But the lack of communication with the Ukrainians has had consequences for the Dutch mission

The two Ukrainian commanders say that their units have combed the disaster area in the first five days after the disaster. "Some areas we searched 3 to 4 times to make sure that there were no physical remains left behind." The Dutch mission then extensively searched but found little physical remains.

In the Dutch Parliament it was reported that there has been searched by the Ukrainians with 800 people. In documents that RTL Nieuws has received, it is shows that on only one afternoon a search took place with such a large group.

Shortly after the disaster various numbers of victims salvaged circulated. Migrin says he was ready on July 21: 282 bodies and 87 body parts have been taken away, according to him. But he never spoke about this with the Dutch.

Colonel Migrin says that documents were attached to each body, including information about the the location of the body. However, the Dutch authorities have not been in conatact with him about this. "I've not talked about this with anyone. You're the first," he told RTL News correspondent Jeroen Akkermans. "No one has interviewed me until today. I have not shared any information. No information was required of me."

There were also maps that the Ukrainian used the first few days for the search of the area. "All the documents we have worked with the maps, all schematics, are with us at our regional staff. If necessary, we can make them available and show them."

RTL Nieuws asked Migrin about the available documents. He then referred us Aleksei Kostrubitsky, administrator of the emergency services. RTL Nieuws received a letter from Kostrubitsky, that arrived in his hands on August 30. In this letter, the Dutch embassy thanks the Ukrainians for their work and a request is made for the search plan that Ukrainians have used the first few days.


In a reaction, the Dutch National Police tells RTL Nieuws: "We do not name any contacts (identifiable or not) that we have spoken in Ukraine. We collaborate well with all the stakeholders (search plan, statement of facts, maps) and have a lot of respect for the way work was done there. The search plan mentioned is in our possession. "


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AUSTRALIAN FM JULIE BISHOP AWARDED DUTCH HONORAY MEDAL OF MERIT

Trouw reports:
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/31523/Vli...derscheidt-Australische-collega-na-MH17.dhtml

Dutch FM Frans Timmermans has honored his Australian counterpart Julie Bishop today for her commitment after the disaster with flight MH17. The Australian Minister was awared the Honorary Medal of Merit of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs by Timmermans.

Since its creation in 2010 this distinction has been awarded only ten times before. The ceremony took place at the NATO summit in Newport (Wales).

On board of the aircraft of Malaysia Airlines that was downed most likely by pro-Russian rebels in Eastern Ukraine, were 38 Australians and 196 people with a Dutch passport. All 298 passengers were killed.
In the aftermath of the disaster, The Netherlands have really worked well together with Australia, Timmermans said. Earlier in the day he made it clear that it is impossible to say when Dutch researchers can return to the location of the crash in eastern Ukraine. "Fights are going on there now, it's war zone. And in 1.5 months it will be really winter. Then 1 meter of snow will fall and it will be hard to work there. As soon as it is possible, we will search there again,' Timmermans said.


BBM


Dutch FM Tmmermans on his page on FB:


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Just issued the Honorary Medal of Merit of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to my Australian colleague Julie Bishop for the fantastic way she has cooperated with us after the disaster with MH-17.
 
How nice that is! Julie Bishop must feel very proud. She humbly said that she was honoured to receive the medal on behalf of the people of Australia. I personally think she stayed strong and stood firm, and not all of our top politicians could have performed the role as well as she did with the appropriate dignity and camaraderie.

Ms Bishop, who is now officially a Commander of the Order of Merit of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said she was touched and honoured to receive the medal "on behalf of the people of Australia".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...utch-distinction/story-fn3dxix6-1227048298379


I also notice in this report that the preliminary report from the Dutch Safety Board will be released this coming Tuesday (9th).
 
How nice that is! Julie Bishop must feel very proud. She humbly said that she was honoured to receive the medal on behalf of the people of Australia. I personally think she stayed strong and stood firm, and not all of our top politicians could have performed the role as well as she did with the appropriate dignity and camaraderie.




I also notice in this report that the preliminary report from the Dutch Safety Board will be released this coming Tuesday (9th).

From the same article:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...utch-distinction/story-fn3dxix6-1227048298379



"Julie Bishop did a marvellous job this summer," Mr Timmermans said before pinning the medal on the Australian foreign minister's jacket.

"She helped the Netherlands, she helped Europe, she helped me personally to tackle one of the most difficult situations the Netherlands has ever had to face."

The Dutch foreign minister said that together the pair, through the UN Security Council, convinced the world "that we should be allowed to repatriate the victims and their belongings".

Without Ms Bishop's "brilliant interventions" the countries wouldn't have succeeded, Mr Timmermans added.



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MALAYSIA SAYS INTELLIGENCE REPORTS ON MH17 CRASH 'PRETTY CONCLUSIVE'
Prime Minister Najib Razak Reiterates Call for Justice Against Perpetrators


The Wall Street Journal reports
http://online.wsj.com/articles/mala...-flight-17-crash-pretty-conclusive-1409983490


Malaysia said Saturday intelligence reports on the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 are "pretty conclusive" and investigators are now working on assembling physical evidence that can be presented to court.

"First of all, we do have the intelligence reports [on] what happened to MH17 and the reports are pretty conclusive," Prime Minister Najib Razak said at a joint news conference with Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott on his first official visit to Malaysia.

Both prime ministers reiterated their call for justice against perpetrators of the downing of the Boeing 777 in eastern Ukraine that killed 298 people on board, most of them Dutch.


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"What we need to do next is to assemble physical evidence that can be brought to court when the time comes so that it can be proven beyond any doubt that the plane was shot down by a missile," Mr. Najib said.

Mr. Najib added that investigators will need at least a few weeks to search the crash site in the volatile Donetsk region for remains and evidence before those responsible in the "atrocious crime" can be brought to court.


BBM

All 3 countries want to return, when will that happen?
There is a cease fire now in Ukraine, but unfortunately, that may well be the preparation for the next battle.

The preliminary report will be published coming Tuesday.
 
MALAYSIA SAYS INTELLIGENCE REPORTS ON MH17 CRASH 'PRETTY CONCLUSIVE'
Prime Minister Najib Razak Reiterates Call for Justice Against Perpetrators


The Wall Street Journal reports
http://online.wsj.com/articles/mala...-flight-17-crash-pretty-conclusive-1409983490


Malaysia said Saturday intelligence reports on the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 are "pretty conclusive" and investigators are now working on assembling physical evidence that can be presented to court.

"First of all, we do have the intelligence reports [on] what happened to MH17 and the reports are pretty conclusive," Prime Minister Najib Razak said at a joint news conference with Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott on his first official visit to Malaysia.

Both prime ministers reiterated their call for justice against perpetrators of the downing of the Boeing 777 in eastern Ukraine that killed 298 people on board, most of them Dutch.


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"What we need to do next is to assemble physical evidence that can be brought to court when the time comes so that it can be proven beyond any doubt that the plane was shot down by a missile," Mr. Najib said.

Mr. Najib added that investigators will need at least a few weeks to search the crash site in the volatile Donetsk region for remains and evidence before those responsible in the "atrocious crime" can be brought to court.


BBM

All 3 countries want to return, when will that happen?
There is a cease fire now in Ukraine, but unfortunately, that may well be the preparation for the next battle.

The preliminary report will be published coming Tuesday.

re red bold - I'll be back Tuesday!!! And again THANKS! for all the updates on this. :seeya:
 
MH17 SHOOT-DOWN SUSPECTS 'WERE RUSSIAN' CLAIM EYEWITNESSES


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29108454

Radio-interview with reporter John Sweeney. MUST HEAR !


The crew of the BUK missile launcher suspected of shooting down the Malaysian Airways passenger jet MH17 on 17 July were Russian soldiers, according to eyewitnesses interviewed by BBC Panorama.

Reporter John Sweeney told the Today programme that three eyewitnesses separately told the programme that they saw the BUK in rebel-held territory a few hours before the Boeing jet was hit. He added that one eyewitness said that the BUK's crew "spoke with Moscow accents".

See the full story on BBC Panorama: Putin's Gamble, BBC One, 8.30 BST, Monday 8 September


BBM

..... the key eyewitness who sees the BUK go off the low load and go on on its own steam, was initially on the rebels' side

.... it feels like the Kremlin have sent in a ghost army....

.... that monster has caught up wit Vladimir Putin or he has got Botox ....
 
I read "somewhere", maybe even here - that the Rebels and/or Russians were trying to shoot down an Aeroflot plane, and blame it on the Ukrainians... therefore getting "free rein" of the Ukraine country side.
 
I read "somewhere", maybe even here - that the Rebels and/or Russians were trying to shoot down an Aeroflot plane, and blame it on the Ukrainians... therefore getting "free rein" of the Ukraine country side.

I read that too and cannot find the link either..... :findinglink:
 
JOHN SWEENEY REPORTS FOR BBC PANORAMA


"MH17 disaster: Russians 'controlled BUK missile system' "

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29109398


Russians were operating a BUK missile launcher seen in the area where the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet MH17 was shot down, eyewitnesses have told Panorama.

Distinctive shrapnel damage to the plane points to a fragmentation weapon - such as a BUK - downing the plane.

The Kremlin had previously suggested that the missile was from a Ukrainian fighter jet.

Pro-Russian rebels have denied any possession of a BUK.

However, photographs and videos cast doubt on the claim by the Kremlin and pro-Russian rebels - that they did not have a BUK missile launcher on their territory.

Three eyewitnesses, all civilians, separately told Panorama that they saw a missile-launcher in rebel-held territory a few hours before the Boeing jet was hit.

One eyewitness saw the missile-launcher roll off a low-loader at Snezhnoye, around ten miles from the crash site, at around 13:30 local time (10:30 GMT).

"We just saw it being offloaded and when the BUK started its engine the exhaust smoke filled the whole town square," he said.


The eyewitness told the BBC that the crew struck him as Russian soldiers: "Well-disciplined, unlike the rebels, and not wearing the standard Ukrainian camouflage uniform sported by government and rebel troops alike."

"They had pure Russian accents. They say the letter 'g' differently to us," he said.


In eastern Ukraine, most people speak Russian but the BUK crew did not speak Russian with a local accent.


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