GUILTY Netherlands - Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 #4

[ZaZara]

SIX COFFINS HAVE ARRIVED AT EINDHOVEN AIRPORT TODAY: WHAT NEXT?


RTL-Nieuws reports
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/stoffelijke-resten-mh17-nederland-wat-nu

Translation:

Today, six coffins containing the remains of victims of MH17 arrived in Eindhoven. These remains will be investigated.
What can the families expect? Pathologist Frank van de Goot explains.

1. Six coffins have returned, there are also six bodies?
No. It is not expected that there also six bodies in them. Parts of bodies that are probably skeletal remains have been recovered. It is not known how many parts there are in a coffin.
They may belong to one single person. But it is more likely that there are parts of more than one person. Thus DNA research is required to find out to whom these parts belong.

2. What can relatives expect from this investigation?
The longer a body or part of a body lies somewhere, the more the DNA deteriorates. We have now reached the time that mold growth can seriously damage the DNA.
I hope that DNA-profiles can still be made, but we must take into account that a portion of the findings may no longer be usable.

3. Of nine MH17 passengers nothing has been recoverd until now. Is there a chance that of some passengers nothing will found at all?
Yes, unfortunately that is a reality that is currently becoming visible. That has to do with the violence with which the aircraft came down. In addition, part of aircraft was burned. And if a body is severely damaged and is scattered in different locations, foxes and badgers can drag the parts away.
We are currently only speaking of skeletal remains. Then the question is: can you still recognize them? There are leaves, there is grass and sand that cover them. Gradually the remains become part of the environment. Then you are no longer able to find them easily, if at all.

4. There have also been found incomplete DNA profiles, what does that mean?
There are five people from whom an incomplete DNA profile was recovered. These profiles correspond partially. But there must be a match on a number of elements, namely 10-15.
If you do not have that, then you may simply not offer any certainty. You have too much variety. You need to be extremely careful, it would be a major embarrassment if you release someone and suddenly it turns out to be one of those 9 of whom it was thought that nothing of them was recovered. You will first need to find everything. When you finally say enough is enough, then you can start working with incomplete profiles, but the risk is that you still give the wrong name at the very last minute. And that is not acceptable in any possible way.

5. What happens to human remains that can not be identified?
If in the end remains are left that can not be identified, and thus may not be claimed by anyone, these will be cremated in the care of the State.


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[zwiebel]

'The mother of a victim of downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has begun legal proceedings against Ukraine at the European Court of Human Rights, accusing Kiev of failing to close the country's airspace.

The woman, who lodged her complaint at the Strasbourg-based court "last week", is suing Ukraine for 800,000 euros ($1 million) in damages for negligent homicide, the German Bild newspaper said.'

http://www.thesundaily.my/node/283683

German language article here:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/mh17-klage-vor-europaeischem-gerichtshof-gegen-ukraine-a-1005815.html

 

[ZaZara]

WRECKAGE OF MH17 TO GO TO GILZE-RIJEN AIRBASE IN THE NETHERLANDS


Omroep Brabant reports:
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/2...an+MH17+naar+luchtmachtbasis+Gilze-Rijen.aspx

Translation:

GILZE AND RIJEN - The wreckage of the MH17 is set to arrive next week in The Netherlands. The wreckage will be brought to the airbase of Gilze-Rijen. There the remains of the aircraft will be investigated. The first convoy will arrive next week, but the exact day is not known yet.

The wreckage of flight MH17 that was recovered in the disaster area on orders of the Dutch Safety Board (OVV) will be brought by truck to the Netherlands. This Monday in Ukraine the transfer of the wreckage from the train onto trucks has started.

On arrival in The Netherlands, the wreckage will be stored and investigated at the air base Gilze-Rijen. The reconstruction of a part of the airplane will also take place there.
According to the OVV this is a complicated job. Gilze-Rijen was selected for this because of the space and security.

The Department of Defense has prepared the transport of the wreckage. Spread over the week, several convoys will depart for The Netherlands.

For the transport of the wreckage, logistics specialists Defense have considered the pros and cons of various options. They concluded that, at least for now, the most efficient means of transport of the wreckage to The Netherlands is by road.

The Dutch Safety Board will announce next week some time before arrival when the first convoy of trucks is expected in GilzeRijen. The arrival depends partly on the weather.

In the plane crash in eastern Ukraine on July 17, all 298 passengers of the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines were killed, including 196 Dutch. Among them were fifty persons from Brabant.


BBM

Gilze-Rijen Airbase is located 45 km eastly from Eindhoven Airport. Gilze-Rijen is a military air base.

According to Wikipedia: Gilze-Rijen Air Base is one of the oldest airfields in The Netherlands, the first aircraft to have landed there being a Blériot in 1910.
The first military aircraft activity dates back to 1913, when a Farman aircraft used the field for military exercises which established it as a military airfield.

 

[ZaZara]

MALAYSIA BECOMES FULL MEMBER OF MH17 JOINT PROBE TEAM

ZEENEWS.INDIA reports:
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...-member-of-mh17-joint-probe-team_1507902.html


Kuala Lumpur: Malaysia has been accepted as the full member of the MH17 Joint Investigation Team, Malaysia's Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail said Monday.
Abdul Gani said this notification was given by the Dutch National Public Prosecutor's Office in its letter dated Nov 28, Xinhua reported.

The Malaysian attorney-general will be leaving for The Hague Wednesday to attend the Third Eurojust Coordination Meeting on the criminal investigation, which is scheduled Dec 4.


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[ZaZara]

MH17 WRECKAGE CONVOY REACHES POLAND

TheNews.Pl reports:
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/189554,MH17-wreckage-convoy-reaches-Poland

The [4] lorries passed through the border checkpoint in Korczowa, south-east Poland, with the convoy being given priority entry into the country, a spokesperson for the Border Guard, Agnieszka Golias told the PAP news agency.

“On both sides of the border a separate lane was marked out, with both Polish and Ukrainian border guards treating the convoy as a priority matter with the aim of providing a smooth and swift clearance to the convoy,” spokesperson for the regional Border Guard office in Przemysl, Elzbieta Pikor also told the agency.

Police are to accompany the convoy along the Polish section of the route, which follows the A4-E40 motorway through Poland towards the German border crossing in Jedrzychowice near the town of Zgorzelec/Gorlitz.


BBM

Kharkiv (where the debris was transferred from the train to lorries) to Korczowa is about 1000 kms.

 

[ZaZara]

292 VICTIMS OF DISASTER FLIGHT MH17 HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED


Statement by the Dutch Government:
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/nieuws/...htoffers-rampvlucht-mh17-geidentificeerd.html

Translation:

05-12-2014

This week, a total of three victims of the disaster flight MH17 have identified. One of them has the Dutch nationality and two have other nationalities.
Including the previous identifications 292 victims of the disaster with flight MH17 have now been identified.

At the request of the embassies of the countries concerned, is not announced which nationality the non-Dutch victims have. The families of the victims have been informed.

Since July 2014, the LTFO is working on the identification of the 298 victims killed in the plane crash with MH17.
In the meantime, 292 victims have been identified on the basis of dental status, fingerprints or DNA.

It is possible that of the six victims who are still missing, information will become available on the basis of the body parts that are located in Hilversum, but of which there still is not a useful DNA profile.
If and when that information becomes available, is impossible to say at this time.
It is also possible that the bodies and / or body parts of these missing persons have not been recovered at the crash site.


BBM

:rose:

 

[ZaZara]

ONSET OF WINTER PUTS END TO SEARCH FOR VICTIMS OF MH17


RTL-Nieuws reports:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/winter-beeindigt-de-zoektocht-naar-slachtoffers-mh17

Translation:

Due to the onset of winter and the security situation at the crash site of MH17, the search for victims is no longer possible.

Dutch PM Rutte has announced this after Friday's meeting of the cabinet.
Rutte also indicated that this week three victims of the disaster have been identified. One of them has the Dutch nationality.


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[ZaZara]

ANGRY FAMILIES OF MH17 CRASH VICTIMS SEEK UN INVESTIGATION

Reuters reports:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/05/us-ukraine-crisis-mh-idUSKCN0JJ1OK20141205

(Reuters) - Relatives of MH17 crash victims, angered by what they see as Dutch mishandling of inquiries into the disaster, want a special U.N. envoy to launch an international investigation.
A letter sent to Prime Minister Mark Rutte on Friday, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, said Dutch officials had failed to build a case.
They asked that inquiries by the Safety Board and prosecution service be handed over to the United Nations.
Rutte should "request the U.N. to appoint a special envoy to take over," said the letter written by Van der Goen Attorneys.

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According to the Attorneys:

The Netherlands "has completely botched" the fact-finding investigation and the legal framework of the case, said the letter, sent on behalf of 20 relatives from Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and the United States.
Dutch prosecutors have been unable to access the crash site, in a war zone disputed by Ukrainian troops and Russian-backed rebels, or not met international requirements to secure evidence, the letter said.
"Nobody knows who is doing what," said Bob van der Goen, a spokesman for the law firm. "There is no coordination, there is no leadership whatsoever (by) Holland."


:shame:

 

[SouthAussie]

Five Aussie families will also file a lawsuit to try to get to the bottom of what happened. They are going to take it to the European Court of Human Rights. We are not typically a litigious country, so I tend to think they are trying to get real answers and some accountability to bear on this tragedy.

Mr Skinner said the families deserve answers.

"They want to know everything. Right now, they know very little other than they suffered great loss," he said.

"Did my loved ones suffer? Was it such that it was almost instantaneous? Who fired it?

"They want to know and I think that they're entitled to know.

"The goal of the system is always reduced to dollars, but the goal of the human side of it is they want answers and we'll get as many answers as we can."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-04/australian-mh17-families-engage-aviation-lawyer/5940138

 

[ZaZara]

AUSTRALIA: OPERATION BRING THEM HOME REACHES ITS FINAL STAGES


06 December 2014
Prime Minister & Minister for Foreign Affairs:

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-12-06/operation-bring-them-home-reaches-its-final-stages-0


Dutch authorities have confirmed that all of the 38 Australian victims who died when Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was downed in Eastern Ukraine have now been formally identified.


BBM



:rose:

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you Zazara.

:rose:

 

[ZaZara]

ARRIVAL OF MH17 WRECKAGE IN THE NETHERLANDS

Dutch Safety Board:
http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/ond...val-of-mh17-wreckage-in-the-netherlands#fasen


The first MH17 wreckage is set to arrive in the Netherlands over the course of the coming week. The first transport to the Netherlands comprises several sealed trucks and two covered low-loaders. Upon arrival at the air force base, the transport will be unloaded in accordance with a fixed protocol and all wreckage components will be photographed, scanned and categorized following a fixed procedure. The investigation of the wreckage and preparation for the reconstruction will then take place in a designated hangar cleared especially for this purpose.
Access to the facilities will be restricted to the investigators for the duration of the activities.

The Dutch Safety Board today informed next of kin that they will later be offered an opportunity to view parts of the wreckage. This is expected to be scheduled for next year, in view of the urgent need to launch the investigation.

Next of kin who wish to do so may attend the arrival of the first wreckage transport at the air force base. The arrival of the wreckage at the air force base will not be of a ceremonial character and those attending will not be permitted to be present during the opening or unloading of the trucks.

The exact date and time of the arrival of the transport is not yet known. The Dutch Safety Board will announce this information in good time to allow the media to record the moment of arrival.
The media will not be allowed on the air force base or during the opening and unloading of the trucks.


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[Donamena]

Thank you Zazara.

:rose:

You are tireless & a champion

 

[ZaZara]

CONVOY AT POLISH - GERMAN BORDER


Trouw reports:
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/31523/Vli...ukken-MH17-rijden-vanavond-Duitsland-in.dhtml

Translation:

Trucks with wreckage MH17 will cross the border tonight into Germany.

The first convoy of four trucks carrying debris from the Boeing 777 flight MH17 is waiting at at the Polish-German border. The trucks are in Poland, a few kilometers from the German city of Görlitz.

The convoy crosses the border on Sunday and will drive on to The Netherlands, a police spokesman in Görlitz said . That is allowed from 22:00 hrs on. On Sundays during daytime no freight traffic is allowed in Germany.


BBM


Görlitz to Gilze-Rijen is about 820 kms, depending on the route. If the convoy is lucky with traffic, they may arrive at Gilze-Rijen Airbase around noon local time (GMT+1)

 

[ZaZara]

UKRAINE IGNORED WARNING TO CLOSE MH17 AIRSPACE BEFORE TRAGEDY


MalaysianDigest.com reports:
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/fron...ines-flight-mh17-airspace-before-tragedy.html

UKRAINE was urged to close the east of the country to civil aviation days before the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in July but ignored the warning.

Sources at Eurocontrol, the organisation that manages Europe’s air traffic, said its experts spoke privately to their Ukrainian counterparts about the potential threat after more than 20 Ukrainian military aircraft were destroyed by Russian-backed rebels.
The Ukrainians continued to let planes fly over the affected area, however. The sources said Eurocontrol did not have the power to interfere with countries’ decisions.

(...)

In the week before the downing of MH17, separatist militias shot down at least four Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 airforce jet fighters and one Antonov-26 transporter, which was flying at 6500m.
Following the destruction of the Antonov on July 14, Ukrainian authorities raised the minimum height at which civilian aircraft were required to fly over the region from 8000m to 9700m but refused to close the airspace. MH17 was flying at 10,000m when it was hit.


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[ZaZara]

UKRAINE INGORED WARNING (CONTINUED)

The Australian:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...147383804?nk=09180b70d3ac195e45b4d4e938a08d67


According to a source at Eurocontrol, experts from the organisation identified at least three reasons for serious concern:
first that pro-Russian separatists had already downed a number of Ukrainian military aeroplanes using anti-aircraft weapons;
second, separatist forces were jamming communication frequencies;
and third, there had been a breakdown in communications between Russian and Ukrainian air-traffic control.

Several airlines re-routed their flights weeks before the attack on the Malaysian plane, which is believed to have been targeted by mistake. Several others, including Malaysia Airlines, did not.

(...)

Elmar Giemulla, a lawyer acting for the families of four German victims, has filed a lawsuit against the Ukrainian government at the European Court of Human Rights for its failure to close the airspace.
He said the lives of passengers had been endangered for financial and political reasons.

(...)

Siemon Wezeman, a weapons expert at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, also criticised the Ukrainians’ failure to act. “Considering the Antonov was shot down with heavy anti-aircraft systems, and how widely they were used in the area, one must wonder why the airspace wasn’t shut down completely,” he said.

(...)

There was further controversy last week when it emerged that Dutch authorities had removed from their report into the crash a clause in an earlier version that said Ukraine had raised the altitude level for civilian airlines.

Ukraine intelligence sources said they had been made aware that several anti-aircraft systems had crossed from Russia into Ukraine at least a week before the MH17 incident. But they claimed the intelligence was not “100 per cent reliable” and could not have been used as grounds for “drastic moves” such as shutting airspace.

“I blame the Ukrainian authorities for not closing the airspace and Malaysia Airlines for not taking a decision to avoid it,” said Robby Oehlers, who lost a cousin in the tragedy.


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Meanwhile, back in the polder, Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt is among those who wonder why Eurocontrol apparently did not inform anyone else about their concerns:

@PieterOmtzigt
Bij Eurocontrol meldde dus niemand een openbare safety alert aan over Oekraïne, niet voor en niet na MH17..
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Portal:EUROCONTROL_Safety_Alerts


Translation:

@PieterOmtzigt
So at Eurocontrol no one logged a public safety alert on Ukraine, not before and not after MH17 ..
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Portal:EUROCONTROL_Safety_Alerts

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[ZaZara]

WRECKAGE WILL ARRIVE IN THE NETHERLANDS ON TUESDAY

Dutch Safety Board press release
http://onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzo...wreckage-arrives-tuesday-in-netherlands#fasen

The first wreckage of MH17 will arrive Tuesday december 9th at 2 PM (14.00 hours local time) [GMT + 1] at the air force base Gilze-Rijen. The convoy left Ukraine last week.

The transport will arrive at the air force base at the gate at the Burgemeester Ballingweg. Due to the arrival of the wreckage the road will be closed for a short time. There will be a press area close to the gate, where the transport can be clearly viewed and filmed. The press area is accesible for journalists with a press card.

After the convoy has entered the base, the trucks will drive to the location where the investigation will take place. On the route the convoy will pass the next of kin who attend the arrival of the wreckage at the air force base. The arrival of the wreckage at the air force base will not be of a ceremonial character and those attending will not be permitted to be present during the opening or unloading of the trucks.


BBM

That's a slow convoy taking its time ... They were only near Hannover in Germany this morning, so they took the longer high road as well.
The trucks are being escorted by the German police. I suppose that this is not a case of honor, but of security for the rest of the traffic.
If 870 kms take them 36 hours to complete, they'll be covering like 40 or 50 kms per hour? (mandatory resting times included)



Convoy at the Polish-German border, pictures via RTL-Nieuws
More pictures at link: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/wrakstukken-mh17-onderweg-naar-nederland

 

[ZaZara]

TWO CONVOYS HAVE ARRIVED AT GILZE-RIJEN AIRBASE


Dutch Safety Board:


Onderzoeksraad ‏@Onderzoeksraad

(1/4)Two convoys comprising eight trucks with #MH17 wreckage arrived at Gilze-Rijen air force base.

(2/4)The transport will be unloaded in accordance with a fixed procedure and will then be photographed, scanned and categorized. #MH17

(3/4)The investigation of the wreckage and preparation for the reconstruction effort will then commence #MH17

4/4) Agreements recovery in Ukraine published on our website http://tinyurl.com/lfkmxhb #MH17


BBM

Annexe:
AGREEMENT BETWEEN The National Bureau of Air Accidents and Incidents Investigation with Civil Aircraft (NBAAII) of Ukraine
AND The Dutch Safetry Board of The Netherlands
ON DELEGATION OF INVESTIGATION IN RESPECT OF AIRCRAFT INCIDENT INVOLVING
BOEING 777-200, REGISTRATION: 9M-MRD "MALAYSIAN AIRLINES" FLIGHT MH-17

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/fm/MH17/Agreement_NBAAI_and_DSB_website.pdf

 

[ZaZara]

TWO NEW IDENTIFICATIONS, IDENTIFICATION OF ALL REMAINING VICTIMS POSSIBLE


RTL-Nieuws reports:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/slachtoffers-vliegramp#node_1219861


Translation:

This week two victims of the disaster flight MH17 were identified. One of them is a Dutchman.

294 victims of the flight MH17 have now been identified. At the request of the embassies of the countries concerned, the specific nationality of the non-Dutch victims is not made public. The families of the victims have been informed.

Since July 2014, the LTFO is working on the identification of the 298 victims killed in the plane crash with MH17. It is possible that of the four missing (all with the Dutch nationality) information will yet become available from the body parts that have been brought to Hilversum.


BBM

wow! what an achievement! who would have dreamed ..... #respect


:rose:

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh, that is great news! ... everyone may be able to be identified. That would bring a sad but welcome relief for all the families.