Netherlands Netherlands - Teteringen, BlkFem 315UFNET, 15-20, 'Meisje van Teteringen', prob. Morrocan, Dec'90

[Aurora90]

The nose is throwing me off. Looks very similar to mine. but I’m north East African. Has her being from North Africa been confirmed?

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was from Somalia. My mom left during the war and went to Italy during that time. She lived in a house with a ton of young women. All worked maid/house keeping jobs. She now manages housekeeping in a hotel here in Canada and she trains lots of young Ukrainian women who have come escaping their current situation.
What countries had people fleeing around that time?

 

[dotr]

https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/85952/1/01042.pdf

fwiw, rbbm
'Migration and Immigrants: The Case of the Netherlands'
''The increasing immigration inthe second half of the 1980s is consequently related to political refugees and asylum seekersfrom various countries.There is a clear change in the composition of the asylum seeker population. The origin ofasylum seekers moves with the centres of violence and oppression. In the 1980s, a largegroup of asylum seekers came from Turkey, Sri Lanka, Surinam, Iran, Poland, Ghana,Somalia while in the1990s, most of the asylum seekers came from Iraq, Afghanistan, BosniaHerzegovina, Iran, Sri Lanka, Yugoslavia and Somalia (Lucassen and Penninx 1997,UNHCR 2001''

 

[Goecke]

I'm curious as to exactly how she was connected to the Moroccan family in Belgium. Was she linked by DNA, or was the connection discovered some other way and she may not be biologically related to them?

 

[Aurora90]

https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/85952/1/01042.pdf

fwiw, rbbm
'Migration and Immigrants: The Case of the Netherlands'
''The increasing immigration inthe second half of the 1980s is consequently related to political refugees and asylum seekersfrom various countries.There is a clear change in the composition of the asylum seeker population. The origin ofasylum seekers moves with the centres of violence and oppression. In the 1980s, a largegroup of asylum seekers came from Turkey, Sri Lanka, Surinam, Iran, Poland, Ghana,Somalia while in the1990s, most of the asylum seekers came from Iraq, Afghanistan, BosniaHerzegovina, Iran, Sri Lanka, Yugoslavia and Somalia (Lucassen and Penninx 1997,UNHCR 2001''

Bingo. I honestly think she’s Somali. That nose is my nose. The high cheekbones, etc.

It will be hard to solve without including the Somali community if she is in fact Somali. We are insular from a community standpoint but due to conflict we are all over the world. My family live in Norway,Sweden,Germany,Italy,England, etc. but truthfully Somali folks won’t see this unless this is targeted at them directly.

I believe the Morton Jane Doe case was also Somali and she wasn’t identified until the community got involved. I believe she was incorrectly stated to be from non-Somali origins for quite a number of years too.

 

[Aurora90]

I'm curious as to exactly how she was connected to the Moroccan family in Belgium. Was she linked by DNA, or was the connection discovered some other way and she may not be biologically related to them?

I believe one suspect was a white male, another was an elderly woman who had an olive complexion and a male with an olive connection. So I wonder if she was trafficked in some way.

My mom told me stories of some of the girls she was living with. Tons of young immigrant women who were desperate for a job and ability to make a living. Some at the expense of their dignity. Those stories were especially heartbreaking for me to hear.

She was likely kept hidden. I wouldn’t be surprised if she never even got the opportunity to learn Dutch. Somalia is an Islamic country, lots of Somalis also know Arabic. Her abusers likely also spoke Arabic. She might have had language limitations.

Could she even ask for help if she wanted to? I shudder to think about what she might have experienced.

 

[Goecke]

I believe one suspect was a white male, another was an elderly woman who had an olive complexion and a male with an olive connection. So I wonder if she was trafficked in some way.

My mom told me stories of some of the girls she was living with. Tons of young immigrant women who were desperate for a job and ability to make a living. Some at the expense of their dignity. Those stories were especially heartbreaking for me to hear.

She was likely kept hidden. I wouldn’t be surprised if she never even got the opportunity to learn Dutch. Somalia is an Islamic country, lots of Somalis also know Arabic. Her abusers likely also spoke Arabic. She might have had language limitations.

Could she even ask for help if she wanted to? I shudder to think about what she might have experienced.

According to her Doe Network page: "New elements have enabled to determine there was a connection between this girl and a Morrocan family residing in the North of Anvers, Belgium." 315UFNET
I'm wondering if this "connection" was through DNA or something else. Because I agree it's likely she was trafficked. It's widely reported that she is, in fact, Moroccan, but it's possible she could be from somewhere else and was connected to the Moroccan family by some other means/isn't biologically related.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Meisje van Teteringen was discovered 35 years ago.

 

[ZaZara]

According to her Doe Network page: "New elements have enabled to determine there was a connection between this girl and a Morrocan family residing in the North of Anvers, Belgium." 315UFNET
I'm wondering if this "connection" was through DNA or something else. Because I agree it's likely she was trafficked. It's widely reported that she is, in fact, Moroccan, but it's possible she could be from somewhere else and was connected to the Moroccan family by some other means/isn't biologically related.

DOE Network is not a reliable source for cases in Europe. They kept this info for far too long. Fortunately, they have since updated the info on the Teteringen girl at last, copying the text from the Identify Me campaign.

The alleged connection with the Moroccan family went nowhere. None of the persons arrested at the time has been brought before a judge in a criminal case about the girl. IMO they probably never got the status of suspect, they were persons of interest for a while.

 

[arisam]

The information about her being tied to a Moroccan community in Antwerp came from the Dutch police. Het meisje van Teteringen - Erfgoedweb Breda

Source is in Dutch but a quick translation of the page should do it. I'd say the Dutch Police are a relatively reliable source.

 

[ZaZara]

The information about her being tied to a Moroccan community in Antwerp came from the Dutch police. Het meisje van Teteringen - Erfgoedweb Breda

Source is in Dutch but a quick translation of the page should do it. I'd say the Dutch Police are a relatively reliable source.

That was TWENTY YEARS ago. And what came of it? Nothing.

 

[Bit of hope]

The police made a mistake in the 90's. They tried to link a Moroccan family to the murder, but nothing came from it. The familie had nothing to do with it. There are many articles in Dutch where this is mentioned. That doesn’t mean she couldn’t have had a Moroccan origin.