New developments in unsolved Jennings murders

[MeoW333]

With my exercise posted above I don't think Muggy Brown was a victim of the serial killer but rather a local killer. The murder doesn't fit with the pattern mentioned above. I think it is some sort of serial killer ritual, the paired killings, the timing, and possibly a personal work schedule dictating how he does this.

Also if he is not killing somewhere else then he has escalated. 2 killings in 2005, No killings in 2006, 2 killings in 2007, 2-3 killings in 2008, so if his pattern holds true there should be other attempts around March 2009.

BTW, thanks for the compliment. :blowkiss:

You really think Muggy Brown isn't the SK's victim.. that makes me think a lot lol
The way i thought of it was that for someone to be a serial killer, they need to have at least 3 victims with periods of "cooling off". I thought maybe the serial killer killed Muggy since he got mad he wasn't getting attention after the first four killed. So he killed her and left her at the police's shooting range as a taunt to the police for not recognizing his work.

If she wasn't killed by the killer, and he is strictly sticking to ritual, then i guess we have to wait until he kills again to see if his killings will stay escalated with his pattern.

I hate to say that we have to wait until he kills again, yet if local LE were on the ball for the other killings, maybe the killer would be in custody already..
They seem to be in denial that they have a serial killer, and think it's all drug problem related killings. I wonder if they're trying to somehow lure the killer out by not recognizing him, yet that would be giving Jennings police too much credit. Serial killers are usually egotistical creatures, and the local police aren't reconizing him may be making him mad. We still don't know why he's killing, or why he's killing them in pairs..

 

[MeoW333]

With my exercise posted above I don't think Muggy Brown was a victim of the serial killer but rather a local killer. The murder doesn't fit with the pattern mentioned above. I think it is some sort of serial killer ritual, the paired killings, the timing, and possibly a personal work schedule dictating how he does this.

Also if he is not killing somewhere else then he has escalated. 2 killings in 2005, No killings in 2006, 2 killings in 2007, 2-3 killings in 2008, so if his pattern holds true there should be other attempts around March 2009.

BTW, thanks for the compliment. :blowkiss:

OMG, what if they never found his other pair to Muggy Brown? (i was discussing the case with my sister and those were the first words that came out of her mouth)
What if there's another body out there that's the killer's and not been found?
We don't have reports of anyone missing do we? If the victim didn't have close family or was a transient woman..

Just throwing ideas out there..

 

[Mysterylover]

With my exercise posted above I don't think Muggy Brown was a victim of the serial killer but rather a local killer. The murder doesn't fit with the pattern mentioned above. I think it is some sort of serial killer ritual, the paired killings, the timing, and possibly a personal work schedule dictating how he does this.

Also if he is not killing somewhere else then he has escalated. 2 killings in 2005, No killings in 2006, 2 killings in 2007, 2-3 killings in 2008, so if his pattern holds true there should be other attempts around March 2009.

BTW, thanks for the compliment. :blowkiss:

ConcernedPerson ..It seems No killings in 2006 may be a clue about his life in '06.

1. possibly in jail
2. out of state or the country
3. just married
4. injured and in the hospital
5. In rehab.

 

[concernedperson]

ConcernedPerson ..It seems No killings in 2006 may be a clue about his life in '06.

1. possibly in jail
2. out of state or the country
3. just married
4. injured and in the hospital
5. In rehab.

Good points. Could be there were murders but the location was different...just to add to the other possibility. I also tend to think that not all murders are being reported outside of the parish that they occurred. For instance, St. Martin Parish and Lafayette Parish are practically the same and two murders just across the parish lines may not be reported or connected right away. LE tends to dig in their own yard for awhile.

If you read back on the Jennings case there were arrests for several of the murders but no evidence led to the release of those indicted. The local LE in Jennings are hard pressed to admit to having a serial killer just like Baton Rouge was when their serials were operating. But, it was 2 serial killers operating in Baton Rouge. One of the reasons that Derrick Todd Lee was recognized and ultimately arrested, is that he attacked a woman in St. Martin Parish and she gave a description. St. Martin Parish and Lafayette Parish border I 10 where this killer loved to dump bodies. It seems there is another SK who dumps bodies along I 10 too. It isn't Lee as he is incarcerated for life and has been since late 2003.

 

[mahmoo]

Interesting about Muggy.....even though there hadn't been a death/killing in the area for just over a year prior to her death.....she had recently expressed concern to her family. From this article:

Muggy's older sister tells KPLC LaConia actually feared for her life days before her disappearance.

"She knew her time had come," Kendra said.

Curious or what .

Something to keep in mind if you're considering the killing in "pairs" aspect is that 6th victim, Crystal Zeno, may have been the other half of the pair with Muggy.

Even though Zeno was found Sept 11th, her body was not formally identified until during the time Brittney was missing (2 months later). Could it be that Crystal's murder was not generating enough media interest therefore the killer decided to strike a 3rd time hoping to really garner media coverage then?

Actually, based on what I've been able to find.....there was just very, very little media coverage prior to Brittney's disappearance. Specifically regarding Brown & Zeno.....I found 4 articles on Muggy and 4 on Crystal prior to Nov 2008. Not much info considering they were the 5th & 6th deaths there.

It could simply be the killer is becoming more and more driven to kill......kind of like drugs in a way.......over time, your body requires larger and larger quantities to satisfy the high you seek.

 

[mahmoo]

ConcernedPerson ..It seems No killings in 2006 may be a clue about his life in '06.

1. possibly in jail
2. out of state or the country
3. just married
4. injured and in the hospital
5. In rehab.

Possibly a military reservist called to active duty.

 

[MeoW333]

Interesting about Muggy.....even though there hadn't been a death/killing in the area for just over a year prior to her death.....she had recently expressed concern to her family. From this article:
Curious or what .

Something to keep in mind if you're considering the killing in "pairs" aspect is that 6th victim, Crystal Zeno, may have been the other half of the pair with Muggy.

Even though Zeno was found Sept 11th, her body was not formally identified until during the time Brittney was missing (2 months later). Could it be that Crystal's murder was not generating enough media interest therefore the killer decided to strike a 3rd time hoping to really garner media coverage then?

Actually, based on what I've been able to find.....there was just very, very little media coverage prior to Brittney's disappearance. Specifically regarding Brown & Zeno.....I found 4 articles on Muggy and 4 on Crystal prior to Nov 2008. Not much info considering they were the 5th & 6th deaths there.

It could simply be the killer is becoming more and more driven to kill......kind of like drugs in a way.......over time, your body requires larger and larger quantities to satisfy the high you seek.

Muggy probably was being stalked and knew it; maybe she found out something about the killer, which is why she expressed concern.

Her body was found on the road that leads to the police shooting range, maybe it was left as a warning?

 

[mahmoo]

Muggy probably was being stalked and knew it; maybe she found out something about the killer, which is why she expressed concern.

Her body was found on the road that leads to the police shooting range, maybe it was left as a warning?

JMO.....I think Muggy was left where she was left as a "Slap In The Face" to LE.........Brittney was the "Warning" kill.

 

[concernedperson]

Interesting about Muggy.....even though there hadn't been a death/killing in the area for just over a year prior to her death.....she had recently expressed concern to her family. From this article:
Curious or what .

Something to keep in mind if you're considering the killing in "pairs" aspect is that 6th victim, Crystal Zeno, may have been the other half of the pair with Muggy.

Even though Zeno was found Sept 11th, her body was not formally identified until during the time Brittney was missing (2 months later). Could it be that Crystal's murder was not generating enough media interest therefore the killer decided to strike a 3rd time hoping to really garner media coverage then?

Actually, based on what I've been able to find.....there was just very, very little media coverage prior to Brittney's disappearance. Specifically regarding Brown & Zeno.....I found 4 articles on Muggy and 4 on Crystal prior to Nov 2008. Not much info considering they were the 5th & 6th deaths there.

It could simply be the killer is becoming more and more driven to kill......kind of like drugs in a way.......over time, your body requires larger and larger quantities to satisfy the high you seek.

All good points, mahmoo! What I think Muggy was experiencing is fear of some local and her sister saying her time is up. Both thinking that a local was responsible for the other murders when, in essence, they weren't. Using the fear factor will turn a town upside down as we saw with the Baton Rouge cases. Muggy had some obvious fear with good reason as she is dead but her proximity to Richard and Connor may play more into this. JMO.

 

[mahmoo]

All good points, mahmoo! What I think Muggy was experiencing is fear of some local and her sister saying her time is up. Both thinking that a local was responsible for the other murders when, in essence, they weren't. Using the fear factor will turn a town upside down as we saw with the Baton Rouge cases. Muggy had some obvious fear with good reason as she is dead but her proximity to Richard and Connor may play more into this. JMO.

Let's not forget Brittney had also expressed her fear in the days prior to her disappearance.

 

[concernedperson]

Let's not forget Brittney had also expressed her fear in the days prior to her disappearance.

True, and she had recently returned to Jennings. Let's go on the assumption that her fear was based in Muggy's fear but she had no real clue that a serial was operating. She would base it (her fear) on known encounters, drug use, people on the fringe etc. The only reason, at this point, that I believe a serial got her is the pairings within two months or so. I am trying to organize this in my mind.

Since we don't have a lot of other info we can only go on gut and prior experience analyzing these horrific crimes.

The pairings and the fast food joints with victim commonality are the only things we have. Other than dates having proximity/pattern. Actually when you look at this it does scream serial killer....they always like a pattern even if it is nonsensical to us.

I truly hope the FBI is analyzing these crimes and incorporating other known crimes to the pattern even if they aren't in Louisiana.

 

[mahmoo]

Ya'll have really got me thinking now :waitasec:. Just taking into consideration the 2008 murders for now.......I wonder if Brittney was his primary target after killing Muggy......but he couldn't get to her because she had left the state with her family. Maybe he was in a rage over that and took it out on Crystal for some reason instead.

The Gary's had just been back in town a few days.....they had reportedly been living out of the state for a "few" months. That would mean they left town after Muggy was murdered and before Crystal was killed.

Supposedly the Gary's left in search of a better life but perhaps they really left because they had reason to believe Brittney might be in danger. Remember Muggy and Brittney were the only two we know of that had expressed their fear just days prior to being killed and from what has been reported......the two were best of friends. Of course, that doesn't explain why they decided to come back to Jennings so soon.

There certainly seemed to be a sense of urgency in doing away with Brittney as quickly as possible.

 

[mahmoo]

The pairings and the fast food joints with victim commonality are the only things we have. Other than dates having proximity/pattern. Actually when you look at this it does scream serial killer....they always like a pattern even if it is nonsensical to us.

I truly hope the FBI is analyzing these crimes and incorporating other known crimes to the pattern even if they aren't in Louisiana.

A few other commonalities (I like that word....lol)............lived within blocks of each other, ran in the same circles and/or related, and of course the drugs/prostitution. His victim of choice appears to be young females (17-29), so far, as opposed to a male or an older female.

 

[concernedperson]

Ya'll have really got me thinking now :waitasec:. Just taking into consideration the 2008 murders for now.......I wonder if Brittney was his primary target after killing Muggy......but he couldn't get to her because she had left the state with her family. Maybe he was in a rage over that and took it out on Crystal for some reason instead.

The Gary's had just been back in town a few days.....they had reportedly been living out of the state for a "few" months. That would mean they left town after Muggy was murdered and before Crystal was killed.

Supposedly the Gary's left in search of a better life but perhaps they really left because they had reason to believe Brittney might be in danger. Remember Muggy and Brittney were the only two we know of that had expressed their fear just days prior to being killed and from what has been reported......the two were best of friends. Of course, that doesn't explain why they decided to come back to Jennings so soon.

There certainly seemed to be a sense of urgency in doing away with Brittney as quickly as possible.

I think Brittney was a crime of opportunity. I think the hype was there though. If she was so truly afraid she would have never left her house alone as her venture to the dollar store was innocently intended.Someone interrupted that venture with ill intent.

 

[mahmoo]

I think Brittney was a crime of opportunity. I think the hype was there though. If she was so truly afraid she would have never left her house alone as her venture to the dollar store was innocently intended.Someone interrupted that venture with ill intent.

It just seemed so convenient though......how did they know right when and where to find her .

 

[concernedperson]

It just seemed so convenient though......how did they know right when and where to find her .

If someone is being stalked they know pretty much the habits. He could have seen her at other times at fast food joints and recognized her and she him. She may have thought him inconsequential to her life. This is really tough. Glad to have ya'll on board to throw ideas out.

 

[mahmoo]

I'm glad everyone's posting too.......some really thought provoking possibilities and considerations being tossed in the ring.

 

[MeoW333]

If someone is being stalked they know pretty much the habits. He could have seen her at other times at fast food joints and recognized her and she him. She may have thought him inconsequential to her life. This is really tough. Glad to have ya'll on board to throw ideas out.

I think Muggy truly feared for her life since she was being stalked an may have knew who the stalker was. The same with Brittney. That's why Brittney left for a bit. The killer has the know how to know when she returned and then he went for her, too. Maybe Brittney thought things would cool down when she left for a few months so she wasn't as concerned when she got back. Whoever is doing the killing knows their targets and their whereabouts at all times. I'm agreeing with Mahmoo now, that Brittney was a "warning" kill. Brittney left all the commotion and came back and was still murdered.

 

[ThisIsCrazy]

March 8th, 2007 Thursday Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez goes missing

May 17, 2007 Thursday Loretta Lynna Chaisson last seen

May 28th, 2008 Wednesday Laconia Shontel "Muggy" Brown last seen (found dead hours later)

August 27, 2008 Wednesday Crystal Benoit Zeno last seen


Nov 2, 2008 Sunday Brittney Gary last seen

5 of the girls went missing on a Thursday or Wednesday, with the exception of 2, Whitnei Dubois and Ernestine Patterson, who we're not sure when they went missing.

Thank you, Mahmoo, once again for your helpful site:
http://www.scribd.com/group/63175-jennings-la-murders-serial-killings

If anyone is good at math and could pinpoint better when Dubois and Patterson were last seen or went missing, or can subtract an estimate from when they were found dead.

Looks like the killer prefers to grab the girls on Thursdays and Wednesdays. With the exception of Brittney Gary who was last seen on a Sunday. This might help us find a pattern in the killers life that he prefers certain days over others.

First time posting, I lived in SE LA, originally from an area where offshore workers depart for their jobs. Crew changes as I remember were Wednesdays and Thursdays, mostly Thursday for 7/7 shifts. My BIL works a 14/7 shift and he leaves out on and returns on Wednesdays.

 

[concernedperson]

First time posting, I lived in SE LA, originally from an area where offshore workers depart for their jobs. Crew changes as I remember were Wednesdays and Thursdays, mostly Thursday for 7/7 shifts. My BIL works a 14/7 shift and he leaves out on and returns on Wednesdays.

Very good info. Welcome to WS. Your info could fit in the pattern that has been roughed out here. Tell me this, if you know, would frequent or semi frequent shift changes be the norm? In other words maybe a worker has a 7/7 shift but on occasion would opt for a 14/7 shift for a time frame.