New developments in unsolved Jennings murders

[concernedperson]

Awhile back in the case, there was some discrepancy about an officer who bought a pick up truck off an inmate, and the possibility? that the pick up truck had been involved in some of the murders. Hunters use pick up trucks all the time, put the game in the back, even gut them, cut em up, then just wash down the back bed of the truck, even bleach it out if they want. You can get a cap for the bed of the truck, no ones sees whats inside. In rural areas and elsewhere, pickup trucks are practical and won't stand out. I'm not saying the officer who bought the truck may be responsible or anything, it just got me thinking what if the killer is using a pick up truck?

The grid pattern shows also that the killer is very bold and doesn't seem to be afraid of LE. This is very Dangerous. Two of the victims were left right out in the open; Whitnei Dubois was left at an intersection of Boddy and Earl Duhon Roads; and even worse, "Muggy" Brown was left on East Racca Road that led directly to the police shooting range. Four of the victims were found on a "cluster" on the grid
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It doesn't seem like the killer is afraid to dump the bodies near where he has dumped other ones before. That shows his boldness towards LE. Being that he dumped Muggy Brown on the road that leads to the police shooting range, i would think that would be a slap in the face to LE and they'd be doing all they could to try and catch him.

I think it likely that a pick up truck is being used for the reasons you mentioned....easy to clean, not suspicious in the area etc. I also think that the crime itself is being done elsewhere as it seems some of the victims were dead a few days before being dumped. So there would be evidence at more than one location.

It appears that the killer does want the bodies found or he would have gone to more trouble to hide them. This may be part of his ritual too. Or, it could mean something else....like a slap in the face to LE.

 

[MeoW333]

If a drug kingpin or some other shady character has hired a "puppet" serial killer to do his bidding, that person has to realize it's like keeping a tiger for a pet. A serial killer is a wild animal. You may be able to control them for awhile, yet after a time they will go out of control and bite the hands that feeds him. It also makes me wonder why someone would hire someone else out to do their killing. I guess maybe some people are afraid to get their hands dirty or don't have it in them to kill. Yet by hiring or having a "puppet" they risk the "puppet" serial killer telling on them, so i'm still unsure of the scenario. Unless both parties have dirt on each other, yet then again, a serial killer is a wild animal, you can't really control the serial killer and it will keep killing on it's own, as it lusts after blood.

 

[mahmoo]

If a drug kingpin or some other shady character has hired a "puppet" serial killer to do his bidding, that person has to realize it's like keeping a tiger for a pet. A serial killer is a wild animal. You may be able to control them for awhile, yet after a time they will go out of control and bite the hands that feeds him.

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:clap: another excellent analogy.

 

[mahmoo]

What adds to the mystery of these deaths is the side show that has also surrounded the investigation. It’s no secret that the air in Jeff Davis Parish is heavy with rumors of LE, or someone in LE, being involved in the deaths somehow.

To throw fuel on the rumor fire, and understandably make people wonder even further, a veteran detective with the JDP Sheriff’s office purchases, from an inmate, a vehicle that may or may not have been involved in one of the deaths. Supposedly, the detective had no knowledge of that information. What makes the transaction even more suspect is that the officer almost immediately sells the vehicle himself at a sizable profit. Although the detective was cleared of criminal charges he was fined for an ethics violation.

Even more fuel on the rumor fire……we have a Jennings police officer, who obtained supposedly never released information surrounding four of the deaths. He was so alarmed by the witness statements regarding a police cover-up, he broke protocol and passed the information on to a private detective to give to the FBI as well as the State Attorney General. Of course we all know he landed himself in a heap of trouble when he did that. What did he learn that caused him to jeopardize his own career?

As a person looking from the outside in, it is easy to understand why the citizen’s of JDP continue to fan those rumor fires. One has to wonder if there is a possible element of truth lurking somewhere amongst the rumors. It’s reasonable to conclude that the rumors further hinder the investigation…..people that may have valuable information fear stepping forward and rightly so if the rumors are indeed true. It appears Brittney’s words to her mother “you don’t know who you can trust” echo the sentiments of many JDP residents.

 

[mahmoo]

To further fuel speculation surrounding JDP local law enforcement I would like to point out some comments made by Kirk Menard, the private investigator hired by victim family members. He was hired on a Monday and the following Sunday Brittney goes missing. He was also the person that received info, from the Jennings police officer, that was turned over to the FBI and SAG office.

On October 19, 2008 – Post #3 he writes this comment which I partially snipped:

We have just opened an investigation independently of any law enforcement investigation. Since we are not law enforcement officials, we have more leeway in questioning and obtaining answers to many unanswered questions. Due to confidentiality, we cannot disclose our clients but we can say that we are receiving alot more information in our first day of this investigation than they have received since the beginning of the law enforcement investigation.

Incidentally, the 2 comments prior to his were over a year old…..one was made by the sister of one of the victims.

Also on October 19, 2008 – Post #2 he responds to a post that asks:

Don't you think you need to call someone in who can solve the murders? It seams like no one here can.

His reply (my bold):

They can and the FBI has been called in to assist but they can only do so much with the evidence they are given (hint hint)

He was asked, through another comment, to expound on the (hint hint) but failed to respond.

One can surmise from Menard’s comments that he has little confidence in local LE’s investigative abilities……the question is why? His comment about "they can only do so much with the evidence they are given" really flares my curiousity up.

 

[MeoW333]

From the news articles i've read, it sounded like the officer that got in trouble was telling what he knew to Menard about fellow officers; he was pretty much telling the truth about local LE doing something bad regarding the case and (or possibly absolutely nothing at all about the serial murders). I really don't think local LE gave it their all. In fact, if they'd have done their job since the first murder, there wouldn't be 7 dead women now. Where is all the evidence they should have gathered? If not from the 1st girl, you'd think by the 3rd or 4th they would have gotten a clue and got some concrete evidence of some sort. Are they lazy and want to sweep their serial killer under the rug or are they protecting someone? Maybe the serial killer is a cop's son? They're trying to cover it up or something.

I wonder if Kirk Menard is working secretly with the FBI, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, yet i hope he is, since the LE there is in a huge denial that there's a serial killer running loose. If the local LE can't handle it, then it should be automatically up to the FBI to take the case.

The timing between the hiring of Menard and then Brittney's murder does not seem coincidence, i agree, her murder seems like a warning kill.

 

[concernedperson]

To further fuel speculation surrounding JDP local law enforcement I would like to point out some comments made by Kirk Menard, the private investigator hired by victim family members. He was hired on a Monday and the following Sunday Brittney goes missing. He was also the person that received info, from the Jennings police officer, that was turned over to the FBI and SAG office.

On October 19, 2008 – Post #3 he writes this comment which I partially snipped:
Incidentally, the 2 comments prior to his were over a year old…..one was made by the sister of one of the victims.

Also on October 19, 2008 – Post #2 he responds to a post that asks:
His reply (my bold):
He was asked, through another comment, to expound on the (hint hint) but failed to respond.

One can surmise from Menard’s comments that he has little confidence in local LE’s investigative abilities……the question is why? His comment about "they can only do so much with the evidence they are given" really flares my curiousity up.

Whatever is going on has local LE reticent in acknowledging a serial killer or the comment by the sheriff about several killers in their midst. Then, you have another officer seeking private help to turn over info.There is a problem.....there. Competence may not be the issue but fear could be. Maybe the SK has ties to someone on the police force....brother, uncle, cousin and the SK is the puppet master not the other way around?

 

[mahmoo]

Whatever is going on has local LE reticent in acknowledging a serial killer or the comment by the sheriff about several killers in their midst. Then, you have another officer seeking private help to turn over info.There is a problem.....there. Competence may not be the issue but fear could be. Maybe the SK has ties to someone on the police force....brother, uncle, cousin and the SK is the puppet master not the other way around?

my bold and red........

WHOA!!!!! That threw me back in my chair .

Maybe, just maybe, there are two people involved in this. Would two heads be better than one as far as being able to completely destroy evidence? If there's more than one person at work here.....does that increase their chances of being caught? What happens if they turn on each other?

 

[MeoW333]

Whatever is going on has local LE reticent in acknowledging a serial killer or the comment by the sheriff about several killers in their midst. Then, you have another officer seeking private help to turn over info.There is a problem.....there. Competence may not be the issue but fear could be. Maybe the SK has ties to someone on the police force....brother, uncle, cousin and the SK is the puppet master not the other way around?

That would be something out of a horror movie! It seems plausible since the Sheriff did make that comment about having several killers in their mist. Maybe he's trying to make an appeal through his words metaphorically somehow?
You think maybe there are two people killing together, one is LE, one not LE and both are serial killers? It won't be the first time it happened, though; like the Hillside Stranglers. Look how quick they turned on each other when that went to court.
To have a serial killing team like that, they'd better be madly in love with one another unconditionally or that will never work... otherwise somebody always talks when the heat is up, cuts a deal, turns state's evidence, or gets killed.

 

[concernedperson]

To both meo and mahmoo, I think there are 2 killers involved for whatever their intent or purposes. Or how they interact or not. There is one that is perfectly OK with killing though and that, Houston, is the problem. There may be a cooling off but it won't stop. Until he is caught..and that I am sure of..it is a he.

 

[mahmoo]

To both meo and mahmoo, I think there are 2 killers involved for whatever their intent or purposes. Or how they interact or not. There is one that is perfectly OK with killing though and that, Houston, is the problem. There may be a cooling off but it won't stop. Until he is caught..and that I am sure of..it is a he.

I definitely suspect there are two. I am not ruling out the possibility that one of them is female. Something about that "grid" screams female to me.

 

[MeoW333]

I definitely suspect there are two. I am not ruling out the possibility that one of them is female. Something about that "grid" screams female to me.

A female killer? Anything is possible with this case. We have limited physical evidence to go on. If one is a female, do you think she is doing the killing or ordering the killing?

 

[concernedperson]

Female serial killers use a gun or poison to murder their victims, traditionally. This is a hands on crime with 2 cut throats that we know about and probably strangulation for the rest. The grid pattern is to make us think that this is an ingress and egress from Jennings to I 10. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't. Could be part of the planned activities of the SK.

 

[MeoW333]

Female serial killers use a gun or poison to murder their victims, traditionally. This is a hands on crime with 2 cut throats that we know about and probably strangulation for the rest. The grid pattern is to make us think that this is an ingress and egress from Jennings to I 10. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't. Could be part of the planned activities of the SK.

The first thing of thought of when mentioned one might be a female is the same, CP; that they've poisoned (i.e. Dorothea Puente), shot (i.e. Aileen Wournos); although there is a first time for everything..
Then we have the serial killer couples such as Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo. However, i don't think we're dealing with a couple such as Holmolka and Bernardo. Maybe an odd couple..
I really think if it is a "team killing", they are both men. One of which has connections to LE in some way. Otherwise, one would think the local LE would be doing more to try and solve these serial murders. Instead they seem to do nothing. The case really should go straight to the FBI and only the FBI. In numerous different articles, i have read about the local corruption and i wouldn't be surprised if the local LE has their hands in quite a few pots there, whether it be drugs, gambling, and cutting deals with criminals for money.
They need an overhaul of Jennings PD, and the local Sheriff's as well. Who knows how deep this case goes and into whose pockets.

 

[concernedperson]

The first thing of thought of when mentioned one might be a female is the same, CP; that they've poisoned (i.e. Dorothea Puente), shot (i.e. Aileen Wournos); although there is a first time for everything..
Then we have the serial killer couples such as Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo. However, i don't think we're dealing with a couple such as Holmolka and Bernardo. Maybe an odd couple..
I really think if it is a "team killing", they are both men. One of which has connections to LE in some way. Otherwise, one would think the local LE would be doing more to try and solve these serial murders. Instead they seem to do nothing. The case really should go straight to the FBI and only the FBI. In numerous different articles, i have read about the local corruption and i wouldn't be surprised if the local LE has their hands in quite a few pots there, whether it be drugs, gambling, and cutting deals with criminals for money.
They need an overhaul of Jennings PD, and the local Sheriff's as well. Who knows how deep this case goes and into whose pockets.

Louisiana is no stranger to corruption in office. In fact, they are known for it. I pray FBI is truly taking over the reins as this case is a sore on humanity where some citizens are blighted with injustice. Watching this case unfold slowly with so many unanswered questions is reminiscence of so many cases in Louisiana that take forever to solve.

Whether it is incompetence, slow resolve, lack of initiative or actual corruption there is a barrier to getting to the truth and making an arrest that sticks.

 

[mahmoo]

Yeah.....it's probably a longshot that a woman is involved in this but.....let's not forget......2 women have already been arrested in connection to these cases.

And I agree with y'all.....I think Jennings PD & JDP Sheriffs Office need to be removed from the investigation. I suppose it would fall entirely to the FBI then.....but oh well. The two ethics violations, one out of each department has tainted the case in my opinion.

 

[MeoW333]

Yeah.....it's probably a longshot that a woman is involved in this but.....let's not forget......2 women have already been arrested in connection to these cases.

And I agree with y'all.....I think Jennings PD & JDP Sheriffs Office need to be removed from the investigation. I suppose it would fall entirely to the FBI then.....but oh well. The two ethics violations, one out of each department has tainted the case in my opinion.

One of the women was Hannah Connor and her uncle, Frankie Richard (arrested in 2007), and the 2nd woman arrested was Tracee Chaisson. All the charges were dropped since there was lack of evidence. Mahmoo, i really think these people were just arrested so that Jennings LE would look like they were actually doing something as far as investigating goes. I don't think any of the 3 are the real killers. Tracee was the one who reported Kristen Lopez missing.
Lest we forget, Byron Chad Jones and Lawrence Nixon were originally arrested in 2006 for the death of Ernestine Patterson, once again, charges dropped due to lack of evidence.
It seems local LE makes some arrests here and there to make it look like they're actually doing "work" on the serial murders.

I would think if any of these people who were arrested in connection to the murders were actually involved in the killings, it would be known by now and there would be solid evidence to bring them in. If any of them were suspect, then LE would have staked them all out at all times to make sure of what they were doing. All of those arrested were arrested in either 2006, 2007. There were still murders of the girls going on after that.
I really think they were all just arrested by Jennings so it would make it look LE was working on the case and to "pacify" anyone who would question their competence (which is obviously lacking) regarding these serial murders.

 

[mahmoo]

MeoW......I have definitely questioned, in my mind, if the five people previously arrested we more scapegoats than anything......like you said, to make it appear the cases were being diligently worked. Not much information is available on the folks arrested but, it appears the Nixon fellow is more of a petty thief (according to this article) than a killer.

A man who’s made a career out of stealing other people’s property is back behind bars for possession of stolen lawnmowers, weed eaters, leaf blowers, edgers, hand tools, power tools, a shop vacuum and some fine china.

Jennings police arrested Lawrence Nixon, 33, of South Main Street in Jennings on Thursday, Aug. 14 after investigators followed a trail of stolen property to a local antique store. The trail led back to Nixon’s residence, where police found the house cluttered with stolen items yet to be pawned.

 

[MeoW333]

MeoW......I have definitely questioned, in my mind, if the five people previously arrested we more scapegoats than anything......like you said, to make it appear the cases were being diligently worked. Not much information is available on the folks arrested but, it appears the Nixon fellow is more of a petty thief (according to this article) than a killer.

I agree, Mahmoo, that they are scapegoats. Most likely all have some sort of petty criminal histories; theft, drugs. Local LE seems to have chosen those certain people to arrest as scapegoats if they were friends with the victims, seen with them at some point. It makes me wonder if LE is arresting them in a "threatening manner" if they may have known something as to who the real killer(s) may be. Granted this Nixon guy is a perpetual thief. Connor and Richards have random arrest records too:

"Richard has been convicted of DWI's, charged with battery and assault. Conner has been charged with burglary, theft and trespassing."
http://www.katc.com/global/story.asp?s=6533619

From same article:

"So far detectives haven't been able to connect Ernestine Patterson, Loretta Lynn Prejean, or Whitnei Dubois to the two suspects. However, witnesses say they saw Richard with Whitnei Dubois in the last few days she was alive. Police are still questioning people. They say more arrests are likely. Detectives know the victims and suspects ran in the same circles, did drugs and had a tight knit group.
"We're going to dig and dig and dig until we get to the bottom of it. That's what we're known for.""


It seems that LE is arresting people who may have been seen with victims before they turned up dead. Tracee Chaisson was the last person to see Lopez alive and Tracee was arrested. It seems more likely that LE is arresting these people to "make sure" they didn't see anything, rather than that they are involved in the murders.

 

[mahmoo]

It seems that LE is arresting people who may have been seen with victims before they turned up dead. Tracee Chaisson was the last person to see Lopez alive and Tracee was arrested. It seems more likely that LE is arresting these people to "make sure" they didn't see anything, rather than that they are involved in the murders.

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Hmmmmm........interesting thought.