New Footage of JFK motorcade is discovered

[Cypros]

I NEVER heard any theory of Jackie being involved. IMO, that is ridiculous. She was in a panic. Her husband had just been shot in the head right next to her. She was undoubtedly terrified, horrified and confused.

 

[dark_shadows]

(ETA the obvious: DK was NOT accusing Mrs. Kennedy. He was merely reporting something he had heard.)

Dear Nova.:blowkiss:


It is always a pleasure to see your posts.

Yes it is very obvious that DK was not accusing Jackie of anything. He was stating that he had heard accusations. I quoted his post because he stated "Her leaving the car is one of the motivations behind the not very widespread theory she was involved, if I remember right", I have not heard it stated before that she was implied as being involved. He posted the statement. That is why it was quoted.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

 

[dark_shadows]

I NEVER heard any theory of Jackie being involved. IMO, that is ridiculous. She was in a panic. Her husband had just been shot in the head right next to her. She was undoubtedly terrified, horrified and confused.

Dear Cypros,
I appreciate your post. I have never heard that theory either.
Never.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

 

[Nova]

Yes it is very obvious that DK was not accusing Jackie of anything. ... He posted the statement. That is why it was quoted.

Of course, ds. I'm sure everyone knew you weren't attributing the idea to DK himself.

I was qualifying my own indignation by allowing that DK merely reported the theory, he didn't advocate it.

 

[Indy Gal]

Did you see how close she was to him at the time he was shot? It was like IMO he was sneezing or coughing right before and she leans into him and it seems that they are touching heads. How sad for her.

 

[dark_shadows]

Of course, ds. I'm sure everyone knew you weren't attributing the idea to DK himself.

I was qualifying my own indignation by allowing that DK merely reported the theory, he didn't advocate it.

All of my Love and Respect to you Nova..:blowkiss:
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

 

[Nova]

All of my Love and Respect to you Nova..:blowkiss:
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

And to you, my friend.

 

[capps]

I have read/seen/watched/reviewed just about everything there was on the JFK assassination,and I also never heard of the "Jackie involved" theory. It's almost laughable whoever thought of this theory ... like Jackie would be sitting in a car with bullets flying all around her,and then just plan on not getting hit,and her get away is trying to climb off the back of a moving car (in a hat,suit and heels no less). Yeah,good plan Jackie.

Laughable.

Actually,just to humor myself,I'd love to hear this whole theory.

 

[izzyB]

i believe Mark Lane and his investigation detailed in his book, "Rush to Judgment". i have seen the video with his interview of eyewitnesses that rushed to the over pass and smelled gun powder, not to mention the puff of smoke many eye witnesses said that they saw.

one man acting alone could not be that lucky, but that is just my own opinion. when you watch tape of oswald being interviewed that night from the dallas jail by reporters, as he is led away, he shouts over his shoulder, i'm a patsy. when i hear the inflection in his voice saying that, that sounds real to me, as opposed to the rest of the interview (earlier) which is obviously rehearsed.

 

[nanandjim]

...About the car and Mrs Kennedy..some are asking on here. That was debated, almost like trying to say she didn't do that. But, it clearly shows......her entire body getting on the trunk, on her knees......reaching out...

I believe that she did what would come instinctively--reach out for help. That's what I think that she was doing. It looked to me like she was going to find help for her husband. She was in shock and therefore forgot that she was in a moving car.

The documentary that I saw was extremely well done. It really convinced me that it no mob hit and no conspiracy.

It did mention that even LBJ thought that he would be next and that it was some kind of conspiracy.

 

[dark_shadows]

I have read/seen/watched/reviewed just about everything there was on the JFK assassination,and I also never heard of the "Jackie involved" theory. It's almost laughable whoever thought of this theory ... like Jackie would be sitting in a car with bullets flying all around her,and then just plan on not getting hit,and her get away is trying to climb off the back of a moving car (in a hat,suit and heels no less). Yeah,good plan Jackie.

Laughable.

Actually,just to humor myself,I'd love to hear this whole theory.

Dear Capps,
Good post. Thank-you.
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

 

[BarnGoddess]

I lived in DC when the assination occured. I was absolutely fascinated. My ex and I went to the Capitol in the middle of the night and did see the casket. I watched the entire funeral on TV. I read every book published and even saw Oswald killed by Ruby live. I'm sorry, but I'm still not satisfied that Oswald was the lone shooter.

I watch the Oliver Stone movie, JFK, every time I see it's on TV just for the part with Donald Sutherland when he met (oops I forget who in the movie) in a park in DC, and gave about 10 to 15 minutes of his theory non-stop. Wonderful acting.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever know the actual truth in our lifetime.

 

[Marthatex]

I lived in DC when the assination occured. I was absolutely fascinated. My ex and I went to the Capitol in the middle of the night and did see the casket. I watched the entire funeral on TV. I read every book published and even saw Oswald killed by Ruby live. I'm sorry, but I'm still not satisfied that Oswald was the lone shooter.

I watch the Oliver Stone movie, JFK, every time I see it's on TV just for the part with Donald Sutherland when he met (oops I forget who in the movie) in a park in DC, and gave about 10 to 15 minutes of his theory non-stop. Wonderful acting.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever know the actual truth in our lifetime.

I was here in Texas; JFK was set to come from Dallas to here and we were set to go hear him speak that afternoon. I have never been so shocked and sorrowful. My father knew both LBJ and JFK; and worked for them at various times. He sat, depressed, in front of the TV for days.

I think for all us baby-boomers, it was a time that America lost its innocence.
I was 15 or so; it surely was a sobering time for me. I think Oswald was just a nut-case; but who knows for sure; it was strange the way Ruby shot him down. I just don't know; but I think Jackie, understandably, was in shock; was horrified by the trauma of what she witnessed; and was "reacting" - to get help, get away, who knows?

 

[BarnGoddess]

I was here in Texas; JFK was set to come from Dallas to here and we were set to go hear him speak that afternoon. I have never been so shocked and sorrowful. My father knew both LBJ and JFK; and worked for them at various times. He sat, depressed, in front of the TV for days.

I think for all us baby-boomers, it was a time that America lost its innocence.
I was 15 or so; it surely was a sobering time for me. I think Oswald was just a nut-case; but who knows for sure; it was strange the way Ruby shot him down. I just don't know; but I think Jackie, understandably, was in shock; was horrified by the trauma of what she witnessed; and was "reacting" - to get help, get away, who knows?

I was just 21. I really wasn't a fan of JFK, but I knew it was history in the making and thought that the opportunity for observing it closely was important. I also began my fascination with politics then. I watched the conventions and stayed up until 2am eastern to see the California vote when RFK was shot. I woke up my ex to tell him. We happened to be driving near the railroad tracks when we saw a lot of cars stopped, and we parked when we realized that the train from New York to Washington may be coming through with RFK's body. We saw his body on the last car all by itself as it passed. I really wasn't a JFK or RFK fan, but again, it was history happening in front of us.

We later had personal issues with Ethel and family through our tennis business. They wanted to take over our box seats at the Washington Star Tennis tournament. We had purchased ours a year before they ever discovered the tournament. Because we were at center court, they felt we need to give up our box for them for their overflow of hangers on. We also went out to Hickory Hill and arranged for their private tennis court to be repaired. It makes all of us who aren't the perfect housekeepers to feel good. Ethel's maid was overrun by the kids and they had to clear away dirty laundry for us to sit down to discuss business in the office. LOL

 

[Dark Knight]

Indeed. Lenny Bruce had a famous routine in which he mocked the idea that Mrs. Kennedy was doing anything but trying to escape. But even he didn't fault her for doing so, not under those circumstances!

His point was that people can't accept human nature in an emergency, but have to make up myths about it.

I don't know what motivated Mrs. Kennedy, but (a) I don't blame her, and (b) I certainly don't believe she had anything to do with her husband's murder.

(ETA the obvious: DK was NOT accusing Mrs. Kennedy. He was merely reporting something he had heard.)

Correct. There was a book written on the subject a few years ago that proposed she was involved. I think the reasoning was his affair with Monroe, but I don't recall. Her death at the same time was probably also part of that line of thinking.

 

[Dark Knight]

Dear Nova.:blowkiss:


It is always a pleasure to see your posts.

Yes it is very obvious that DK was not accusing Jackie of anything. He was stating that he had heard accusations. I quoted his post because he stated "Her leaving the car is one of the motivations behind the not very widespread theory she was involved, if I remember right", I have not heard it stated before that she was implied as being involved. He posted the statement. That is why it was quoted.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Hi DS!

Yes, I said earlier I agreed it was a mob hit. They had plenty of reasons, certainly. Thanks!

 

[Marthatex]

I was just 21. I really wasn't a fan of JFK, but I knew it was history in the making and thought that the opportunity for observing it closely was important. I also began my fascination with politics then. I watched the conventions and stayed up until 2am eastern to see the California vote when RFK was shot. I woke up my ex to tell him. We happened to be driving near the railroad tracks when we saw a lot of cars stopped, and we parked when we realized that the train from New York to Washington may be coming through with RFK's body. We saw his body on the last car all by itself as it passed. I really wasn't a JFK or RFK fan, but again, it was history happening in front of us.

We later had personal issues with Ethel and family through our tennis business. They wanted to take over our box seats at the Washington Star Tennis tournament. We had purchased ours a year before they ever discovered the tournament. Because we were at center court, they felt we need to give up our box for them for their overflow of hangers on. We also went out to Hickory Hill and arranged for their private tennis court to be repaired. It makes all of us who aren't the perfect housekeepers to feel good. Ethel's maid was overrun by the kids and they had to clear away dirty laundry for us to sit down to discuss business in the office. LOL

like him or dislike him; I don't think anyone should have been comfortable seeing him shot dead. It was a terrible thing; a sad thing for our country. He was not perfect, but he was a strong and idealist leader for our country; loved by many. Assassination would not be a partisan matter for me. You were fortunate to have seen RFK's body; I wish I had had the privilege. Just as I felt like honoring President Ford, President Reagan at their funerals; it's a bipartisan matter; they served their country well and were good men. I was in Estes Park at the time it happened. (RFK)

I did not consider it "history" at the time; I considered it a horrible tragedy; also Robert and Martin Luther King. There is no excuse for any of those murders.

Jackie barely survived her depression from it and thought of suicide. It was only her children that kept her going, and she devoted her life to their raising and their security. She never went back to Texas I'm sure.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I too watched it all at the time. I too am still not convinced that Oswald acted alone. And I read all the books for many years, but not any more, so I missed any that would have accused Jackie of anything.

It was not known at the time about Jackie climbing out of the car. As stated by another poster, that was kept hush hushed - for years.

Also, the Zapruder film was not released to the public for many years. So the general public had no knowledge of what her reaction was.

By the way, if you ever visit Dallas, that museum, The Sixth Floor, is located in the Texas School Book Depository building. It is well worth the visit. You can stand and look out the very window where the shell casings were found down onto Dealy Plaza. I can remember that my reaction was that the area was much smaller than I had imagined it to be.

Very hard to believe the shot that blew blood and brains all over the motorcylce cop who was riding BEHIND the president would have come from behind rather than from in front.

 

[Maral]

By the way, if you ever visit Dallas, that museum, The Sixth Floor, is located in the Texas School Book Depository building. It is well worth the visit. You can stand and look out the very window where the shell casings were found down onto Dealy Plaza. I can remember that my reaction was that the area was much smaller than I had imagined it to be.

Very hard to believe the shot that blew blood and brains all over the motorcylce cop who was riding BEHIND the president would have come from behind rather than from in front.

I have visited The Sixth Floor Museum several times. It is because of those visits, actually being there and seeing it, that I am not convinced that Oswald was a lone shooter.

 

[Dark Knight]

I have visited The Sixth Floor Museum several times. It is because of those visits, actually being there and seeing it, that I am not convinced that Oswald was a lone shooter.

As we stated above, there have been several investigations that included experts who say it is very much possible. And likely for that matter.