New "I'm not convinced" thread

[hroark2112]

Welcome to the words "Reasonable Doubt" in this case:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1256010.html

In an affidavit filed today, a woman identified as Rosemary Zednick said she saw Nancy Cooper jogging shortly after 7 a.m. on July 12, the day of her disappearance.

I'm not saying he DIDN'T do it...but here's one peg to hang the hat of reasonable doubt upon.

 

[rwesafe]

Welcome to the words "Reasonable Doubt" in this case:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1256010.html



I'm not saying he DIDN'T do it...but here's one peg to hang the hat of reasonable doubt upon.

It does lend more reasonable doubt. It would also support the determination of the ME that NC's death was consistent with the time she was reported as missing. I don't know if he did it or not, I do hope for the sake of those children that he did not.

 

[tippytoes]

It would be really nice if "I'm Not Convinced" people could discuss this case in this thread.

To start, I think the latest affiant who claims to have seen Nancy, and made her report before Nancy's body was found (and before Nancy could have been considered murdered) is BIG for those on the fence.

It seems fence sitters are mocked here so it would be nice if this thread actually lived up to its name (without flames). Thanks.

 

[jumpstreet]

It seems fence sitters are mocked here so it would be nice if this thread actually lived up to its name (without flames). Thanks.

Agreed TT!

Personally, I'm not on the fence at all. I'm firm on a "He may very well not have done it" position. Unless and until I have information to conclude there is no reasonable way he could be innocent, then I'll remain at that position. [ just being a "benefit-of-the-doubt" type of person by nature... ]

Nothing so far presented in this case, would have me conclude that there is no reasonable way he could be innocent... far from it... there's a ton of possible ways (based on what we currently know).

Certainly the affidavit from Ms Zednick does nothing to push me off of my current position, in fact, quite the contrary.

 

[RKAB]

It would also support the determination of the ME that NC's death was consistent with the time she was reported as missing.

Was there a time of death released by the ME? I hadn't heard. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean? (Sorry, it's early here!)

 

[ncnative]

OH, Hi RKAB! Glad you showed up whilst I was having my epiphany, er...fun.

Too bad we don't have all that necessary information. I'm kind of funny about that, too. You know, knowing the ME reports, TOD, COD, and who did it. I may have to take a powder.

Tonight's TV news should be interesting. I feel I know the outcome, but who knows. Every time I get like that a new kink in the case wriggles in.

 

[tippytoes]

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3744188/

Article about the woman who claims to have seen Nancy jogging on the day of her disappearance. I'm not sure if this has been posted.

From the article:

About an hour before a judge quashed a subpoena from Brad Cooper's attorneys for all evidence collected in Nancy Cooper's murder investigation, his attorneys filed an affidavit Wednesday from a woman who says she saw the slain Cary mother the morning she disappeared.

In the Oct. 9 document, Rosemary Zednick says she was walking her dog at about 7:10 a.m. on July 12 when she saw Nancy Cooper, 34, running along a bicycle path on Lochmere Drive toward Kildaire Farm Road.

Zednick says they made eye contact and spoke to each other.

"I said, 'Hi.' She turned her head and said 'Hi' back to me," Zednick said. "We were almost close enough to touch."

 

[tippytoes]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1257208.html


Nancy's father says he believes no one else but Brad could have had access to kill Nancy. He says Brad had the motivation and access.

 

[rwesafe]

It would also support the determination of the ME that NC's death was consistent with the time she was reported as missing.

Was there a time of death released by the ME? I hadn't heard. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean? (Sorry, it's early here!)

There was not a specific time of death, IIRC, it just stated that it was consistent with the time that she was reported to have gone running or missing...one or the other....I will have to re-read when I have some time.

 

[chicoliving]

There's a thread for chit chat. Stick to the topic.

 

[rwesafe]

I wonder what KL meant when she said she expressed to NC her dissapointment when she learned about he "first" affair. Typically people do not qualify a single affair with "first" if there was only one. I also think that it is strange that with a group that reports itself to be so close, that no one else knew about NC's plan to be at JA's the next morning. And why didn't JA mention that she had contacted BC at 8:30? I think it is entirely possible that perhaps NC had an affair that went south and there is a distinct possibilty that someone else had a motive....crime of passion. Given the lack of defensive wounds, it seems that she was with someone she trusted...

 

[rwesafe]

It is also interesting that in one of the early pressers Mr. Rentz was asked if had been concerned or scared for NC's safety, or something like that and he said, no. If Krista had been calling begging for them to find a way to bring her and the kids home to Canada, that seems a very strange thing to say.

 

[jmflu]

It is also interesting that in one of the early pressers Mr. Rentz was asked if had been concerned or scared for NC's safety, or something like that and he said, no. If Krista had been calling begging for them to find a way to bring her and the kids home to Canada, that seems a very strange thing to say.

Well, it seems no one saw Brad physically hurt Nancy. Krista and her sister were very close, and perhaps Krista had an intuition about the danger her sister was facing that her father just could not imagine or comprehend.

 

[rwesafe]

Well, it seems no one saw Brad physically hurt Nancy. Krista and her sister were very close, and perhaps Krista had an intuition about the danger her sister was facing that her father just could not imagine or comprehend.

I am a twin and I am totally on board with that, however, it just really strikes me as strange that is she were calling and begging with the intensity that she demonstrated today, that no parent would question, with or without that level of intuition, the feelings of a twin.

 

[MoonFlwr]

I am a twin and I am totally on board with that, however, it just really strikes me as strange that is she were calling and begging with the intensity that she demonstrated today, that no parent would question, with or without that level of intuition, the feelings of a twin.

Interesting point. Glad you brought it up!

 

[Anderson]

Interesting point. Glad you brought it up!

In that case, we all need to pay attention to everything that Krista has said in her affidavit and the custody hearing.

I am not a twin, but I do accept rwesafe's position that a twin would have a very different insight into the case and NC's feelings. There is no one that can match Krista as a witness with regard to Nancy's emotional state and her general concerns about BC.

Krista was also privy to other information during her stays with the Coopers, so she was able to provide first hand information.

 

[rwesafe]

In that case, we all need to pay attention to everything that Krista has said in her affidavit and the custody hearing.

I am not a twin, but I do accept rwesafe's position that a twin would have a very different insight into the case and NC's feelings. There is no one that can match Krista as a witness with regard to Nancy's emotional state and her general concerns about BC.

Krista was also privy to other information during her stays with the Coopers, so she was able to provide first hand information.

She was also privy to other affairs that NC may have had or was having, and that is significant because there could very well be someone else with motive...I was very protective of my twin, that is not always a good thing...

 

[NC_Mom_Next_Door]

Because I live between where Nancy lived and where she was found dead, this case bothers me a great deal.

I am reminded that the police first 'assured' us that they had no evidence of foul play. They now assure us that it was not random. Sorry, but until they PROVE otherwise, I'm not convinced.

It's a whole lot easier to make a crime fit a person, rather than consider the infinite number of suspects. That seems to be what's going on in this case.

I am struck with how both the authorities and press have largely ignored an eye-witness. How many others are there that we haven't heard about? This has happened in other high-profile cases, only to see the prime suspect cleared completely years later.

The authorities have revealed that NC was not fully clothed, but have not stated whether all her running shoes and other clothes were accounted for in her home. (If so, that would make a case against BC n more guilty.)

I didn't see anyone making a sweep of all the woods and waste places for such items, but have read that someone found some clothes that might be related....or not.

There have been plenty of violent/creepy things that have gone on in this area:
-- A rapist lived in this immediate area. Most believe he was a serial rapist, but they only had evidence for one case. There could easily be someone else like him out there now.
-- Another person was caught as a peeping tom, but not turned in, there've been other cases of prowlers as well.
-- I once came home at 1 am to find all my doors open--as if someone had been in the house and just fled. The police suggested I forgot to close my doors (at night in the winter??) nd did not make a report
-- Another man with a history of domestic violence and of hitting on young mothers lived in the area recently.
-- Once when out walking on Lilly Atkins at a time when no one was around, I was followed by a guy in a car, creeping along behind me as slowly as I was walking. I was terrified but was able to cut across an area where he couldn't follow.
-- a friend of mine was attacked in broad daylight at a popular local park, but she didn't report it.
-- someone was arrested in this area earlier this past summer for suspicious activity. The press incorrectly relayed the location and many aspects of the incident.
-- I was once followed home by someone, and so was a young female friend of mine.
-the morning NC disappeared, I clearly remember seeing a man out in a construction area, where no one was working--it struck me very odd, but of course that doesn't really mean anything.
-- There are acres and acres of dense woods in this area; it is very conceivable that someone could have grabbed her, pulled her into woods where they wouldn't be seen (which could be only a matter of feet because of the denseness); she might have struggled enough not to be raped but got strangled in the struggle. Then dumped elsewhere.

Does this mean BC didn't do it? no, but it just points out that the police might not have (yet) exhausted all the other possibilities...and given the story of the witness seeing NC, might also be ignoring others.

(As far as that witness saying Lochmere Rd/Dr--that's is meaningless, as local maps, signs and and legal documents are frequently inconsistent on such things, and people frequently mis-speak/write them.)

 

[Anderson]

She was also privy to other affairs that NC may have had or was having, and that is significant because there could very well be someone else with motive...I was very protective of my twin, that is not always a good thing...

I don't know of anyone else with a motive to murder Nancy, but I hope there will be some discussion on that issue if that is the case.

I am really glad that you brought up the twin connection rwesafe!:clap:

I gather that the reported connection between twins is a controversial subject. Some researchers seem to think that there is no evidence of a extra sensory perception (esp), but that twins just know each other very well and that is the real bond (I just did a quick search on google scholar and the web). So it is by no means scientifically verified that the bond between twins includes esp, but there does seem to be some consensus that twins report to having a special connection.

Krista certainly reports having a special bond with NC. Krista also visited the house and has information that any person in this position could have, but with the added bonus of being very close to NC and being able to read her reaction to the domestic situation in a way that absolutely no one else could.

There was a book written on the subject:

Twin Connections : Stories that Celebrate the Mysterious Bond Between Twins
"A Twin Connection is the unique and often mysterious bond that connects twins. If you’re a twin, you’ve undoubtedly experienced it. If you’re a parent, sibling or friend of twins, you’ve witnessed it. Whether it’s the way they finish each other's sentences, know when their twin is in trouble, feel each other’s pain, or seem to have uncanny parallels in their lives, there is definitely a connection between twins that does not exist between typical siblings.

The twin stories in Twin Connections were written by twins, parents of twins, and friends and family members of twins from around the world, and they provide a special glimpse into this mysterious bond shared by twins of all ages.

From one woman who felt her sister’s pregnancy contractions to another twin who knew the moment his twin had passed away although he was nowhere near him, you will be convinced that whether they are fraternal or identical, twins share a very special relationship.

Whether you’re a twin yourself, or a friend or relative of twins, you will enjoy these true and incredible tales of twin connections!"

http://www.amazon.com/Twin-Connections-Stories-Celebrate-Mysterious/dp/0595479448

The author of the book, Debbie LaChusa, also has a website: http://www.twinconnections.com/

I am not a twin, so this is hard for me to understand, but it was interesting to hear about the special bond that you have with your twin, rwesafe. I also look forward to having a look at some of the stories that LaChusa has collected on the subject.

 

[SleuthyGal]

If we consider the exceedingly strong twin bond that occurs (esp. between identical twins), should we not also give credence to Krista's assertion that deep in her gut, in her heart, she believes (perhaps 'knows' in that twin way) that her sister was murdered by BC? If we discount one side of the equation then we will have to discount all sides of the equation. A twin bond doesn't only work when a sibling is having an affair...a lot of twins can feel when their twin-sibling is in danger. Krista felt panicked at the predicament Nancy was in...she testified that she called their father, crying, and begged him to find a way to get Nancy out of the state and to them in Canada where she would be safe.