New Osama Bin Tape

[ketel0ne]

absolut, interesting how you got your translation and I got mine and they are similiar, but not the same....the translation you posted is more interesting to read...thanks for posting.

Since the post was deleted here is a link to the complete text:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/01/19/ap2462598.html

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Since the post was deleted here is a link to the complete text:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/01/19/ap2462598.html

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[PrayersForMaura]

Italy plans to withdraw their troops by the end of the year. Perhaps if they don't withdraw sooner, they may be threatened?

I hope the superbowl beefs up its security.
And the pro bowl.
I'd also worry about logical places like Chicago and the Sears Tower, the Golden Gate Bridge and other places where there will be mass destruction and a lot of people.

The government knows a lot more than we do.
And I had no problem with them listening in on my calls.
If they want to hear my boyfriend and I talk about our plans for the evening, I have no problems with that
Problem is, now we've completely taken time away from doing what could've been done to continue some homeland security procedures to instead continue to have these left-right battles in the media about what is right and wrong about it.

I don't like to get involved in heated debates about it, but my personal opinion is: I stand behind my country and what needs to be done to rid ourselves of those terrorists, especially bin laden.

 

[calus_3]

Maura,

AMEN to everything you said.

Be careful what you listen to and read in the mainstream media. The people's calls that were listened to were placed to/from known terrorist in other countries. This wasn't the government listening to aunt Betsy telling cousin Maybel her secret recipe for tuna suprizers!

Like I said, this has been going on for years throughout administrations and only now did the Democrats expose the program (at the cost of significant national security) but decide to cry foul. This is going to cost the Democrats come mid-term elections because the majority of America knows what they are doing.

Cal

 

[christine2448]

I don't like to get involved in heated debates about it, but my personal opinion is: I stand behind my country and what needs to be done to rid ourselves of those terrorists, especially bin laden.

DITTO!

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

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So she would need permission from Osama Bin laden to post just his spoken words that were supposedly publically aired, minus any journalisitic commentary?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

So she would need permission from Osama Bin laden to post just his spoken words that were supposedly publically aired, minus any journalisitic commentary?

If she copied them from another forum she needs the permission of that forum to copy and paste them here - and she needs to forward that permission to a moderator. And she needs to add a link.

 

[Buzz Mills]

When there have been so many instances of attacks from Al Qaeda, where the perpetrators of the attacks, were married, lived normal lives, and there wasn't anybody, including their wives, parents, friends, or acquaintances, that had any idea that they were associated with Al Qaeda, then we can easily believe that there are already Al Qaeda members here in the U.S., living among us.

It isn't as if our borders have been completely sealed off, and it is impossible for terrorists, especially now, after 9/11, to enter the U.S. We're dealing with a unique enemy, who isn't a conventional fighter, who considers it a supreme religious honor to sacrifice his/her life in the commission of their horrendous acts.

Intelligence experts all say it isn't a matter of, if, but only a matter of when, that the U.S. experiences terrorist attacks, within our borders. Security has been heightened, but it is virtually impossible to stop individuals who are determined to wreak havoc here in the U.S., because anything could be a target, and there is only so much that can be done.

Not very long ago, it was discovered that terrorists were being recruited, and organized, right here in the prisons of CA. It isn't as if these prisoners, who have converted to the Muslim faith, have sworn allegiance to the U.S. The authorities became a lot more careful, as to the clerics they were allowing in, to visit the prisoners. Some were recruiters.

It isn't a situation to make light of. Our world has changed forever.

 

[Marthatex]

What impresses me is that we have not SEEN Bin Laden for years, just heard his voice. There can only be two reasons: the person speaking is an impersonator because the real Osama was killed during the initial attack on Afghanistan, or that he was so badly maimed during the attack that he looks more like a Pez dispenser than a human being, and would not instill confidence in his followers and other sympathizers.

And, yeah, I think our society has almost talked itself into thinking 9/11 was a TV movie. The last time we were this celebrity gossip crazy and completely fixated on Crap That Doesn't Matter, look what happened.

I wonder if he is still alive also. Didn't they say awhile back that he had to have dialysis? I don't know if it really matters, tho', as he has plenty of operatives. But why "announce" an attack, seems like they would just do it, like before. We did have some warning, but that was from the CIA or FBI.

I agree with you on the "complacency" of the American people. Not that we want to walk about being afraid all the time, but as far as being informed and trying to make the Government accountable. To me, we made real strides as far as airline travel. I was perfectly willing to stand in line, etc. I would be willing to be searched going into a mall. Many other things.

What really is being done to protect our ports - that no nuclear material or terrorists come in that way. Are our nuclear facilities being protected (NO). Our transportation systems are not going to be protected, altho' there has been some step-up in New York and Washington. WHAT ABOUT IMMIGRATION?

It's true we haven't had an attack, but I'm not really sure why. Homeland security allocations have evidenlty been uneven and spent on some ridiculous things, where other more important issues go unaddressed.

If they choose to do something, it will be something we least suspect. I am glad that cell phones and other things can be bugged, but I have mixed feelings about our government doing it illegally. I think it can be done legally, and a majority agree that Bush went too far.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I wonder if he is still alive also. Didn't they say awhile back that he had to have dialysis? I don't know if it really matters, tho', as he has plenty of operatives. But why "announce" an attack, seems like they would just do it, like before. We did have some warning, but that was from the CIA or FBI.

I agree with you on the "complacency" of the American people. Not that we want to walk about being afraid all the time, but as far as being informed and trying to make the Government accountable. To me, we made real strides as far as airline travel. I was perfectly willing to stand in line, etc. I would be willing to be searched going into a mall. Many other things.

What really is being done to protect our ports - that no nuclear material or terrorists come in that way. Are our nuclear facilities being protected (NO). Our transportation systems are not going to be protected, altho' there has been some step-up in New York and Washington. WHAT ABOUT IMMIGRATION?

It's true we haven't had an attack, but I'm not really sure why. Homeland security allocations have evidenlty been uneven and spent on some ridiculous things, where other more important issues go unaddressed.

If they choose to do something, it will be something we least suspect. I am glad that cell phones and other things can be bugged, but I have mixed feelings about our government doing it illegally. I think it can be done legally, and a majority agree that Bush went too far.

Last week there was an news report of dozens, if not hundreds, of these throw away cell phones being bought by single individuals not once but twice in Texas. One person was on the terrorist watch list. The other they don't know who he/she was. These are the types of phones that were used to make the remote control time bombs in Madrid and London. In light of these most recent remarks, I find that most unnerving. (The government is trying to pass legislation that would make it impossible to buy more than 3 of these untraceable phones at a time.) And, yes,t here are most definitely sleeper cells in this country. The 9/11 terrorists were clearly circulating amongst an underground railroad of sorts that provided them with housing, clothes, food, transportation and money, not all of which could have come from overseas.

 

[Marthatex]

Last week there was an news report of dozens, if not hundreds, of these throw away cell phones being bought by single individuals not once but twice in Texas. One person was on the terrorist watch list. The other they don't know who he/she was. These are the types of phones that were used to make the remote control time bombs in Madrid and London. In light of these most recent remarks, I find that most unnerving. (The government is trying to pass legislation that would make it impossible to buy more than 3 of these untraceable phones at a time.) And, yes,t here are most definitely sleeper cells in this country. The 9/11 terrorists were clearly circulating amongst an underground railroad of sorts that provided them with housing, clothes, food, transportation and money, not all of which could have come from overseas.

Yeah, their money source. We've done some things to clamp down on that, haven't we? Maybe ole' Bin Laden is really Bin Losin' lately.

Upon that thought, I think I will go out and enjoy my Friday night Margarita and a rousing show of Esthers Follies. I bet they'll be spoofing both Bush and the Bin Laden tape.

 

[Marthatex]

Jokes from last night's show:

"We're going to join Iran and Iraq together and make a new country - called I R A T E
(that way we can keep all the pissed off people together in one place)"

I R A Q

I R A N (there's only one letter's difference; too bad we chose the wrong one)

Trying to find Osama Bin Laden is like : (hold of copy of book:

W H E R E'S W A L D O?)


Huge cardboard set of White House, with windows opening and people behind them:

"On the first day of the New Year, the White House gave to Me:

1) A new tour of duteeee

2) Two bird flu shots...

3) 6 new vocabulary words (subliminininal, misunderestimate, etc)

Can't remember the rest. It was better than Saturday Night live. They did a great spoof on Texas government also, middle age, etc. If anyone ever gets to Central Texas, be sure to see Esthers Follies. It's well worth the 20 bucks. Hope this post isn't too political.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Last week there was an news report of dozens, if not hundreds, of these throw away cell phones being bought by single individuals not once but twice in Texas. One person was on the terrorist watch list. The other they don't know who he/she was. These are the types of phones that were used to make the remote control time bombs in Madrid and London. In light of these most recent remarks, I find that most unnerving. (The government is trying to pass legislation that would make it impossible to buy more than 3 of these untraceable phones at a time.) And, yes,t here are most definitely sleeper cells in this country. The 9/11 terrorists were clearly circulating amongst an underground railroad of sorts that provided them with housing, clothes, food, transportation and money, not all of which could have come from overseas.

In Europe they have laws that prevent the purchase of unregistered phones. It makes me wonder why the U.S. is so slow on the uptake. After all, these phones were used in the Madrid train bombings. Did our intelligence somehow think that, given the opportunity, they wouldn't use them here?? I'm confused at the lapse.

 

[Details]

The civil liberties issues are not just some irrelevant little political battle - while we need the government to be able to do an appropriate amount of surveillance, you have to remember that at all levels, too much power can and is sometimes used inappropriately. From the Red scare, the attempts to shut down the civil rights movements, to some local FBI agent who has an agenda or a personal belief that some group or other is evil.

We do need a check to be sure that phones are not listened to at the whim of an agent, or even the President. Remember Watergate? If phones can be listened to freely, what is to stop some future or present unethical politician or president from getting taps on their opposition?

There's always a balance, but it's never good to let fear guide the laws.

 

[Buzz Mills]

If unregistered phones are used, they couldn't tap these phones, even if the people using them, were suspected, or even known, terrorists. That's why they have the laws in Europe now.

 

[Marthatex]

Why do we have "throw-away" cell phones anyway? Sounds like a ridiculous idea. And dangerous.

Why are we so "slow on the uptake"? Our government just plods along, so many fires to put out. Remember the 9-11 Commission Report? Remember how recently it was reported that not much has been done that was suggested? Many things have not been done.

The 9-11 Comm. Report was a very well-researched, well-thought out bipartisan endeavor. Why do we not want to use it?

Also many of us have trouble distinguishing between what are our "rights", and what are "freedoms" we have enjoyed that we may have to give up or modify.

(i.e. not being able to walk down the street without being videoed, as in Britain, not being able to purchase disposable phones)

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Why do we have "throw-away" cell phones anyway? Sounds like a ridiculous idea. And dangerous.

Why are we so "slow on the uptake"? Our government just plods along, so many fires to put out. Remember the 9-11 Commission Report? Remember how recently it was reported that not much has been done that was suggested? Many things have not been done.

The 9-11 Comm. Report was a very well-researched, well-thought out bipartisan endeavor. Why do we not want to use it?

Also many of us have trouble distinguishing between what are our "rights", and what are "freedoms" we have enjoyed that we may have to give up or modify.

(i.e. not being able to walk down the street without being videoed, as in Britain, not being able to purchase disposable phones)

The other wide use for throwaway cell phones is the drug trade, especially large one-time purchases such as those in Texas.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

If unregistered phones are used, they couldn't tap these phones, even if the people using them, were suspected, or even known, terrorists. That's why they have the laws in Europe now.

Actually, depending on the frequencies use, you can use baby monitors, etc. to scan for cell phone signals. The purpose for these types of phones seem to be detonating devices, at least inr egard to terrorists, as you can purchase them with cash and not show any ID. It's been suggested that the London bombers possibly were unaware that the bombs were going to be detonated while they were still in the vicinity as well.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Actually, depending on the frequencies use, you can use baby monitors, etc. to scan for cell phone signals. The purpose for these types of phones seem to be detonating devices, at least inr egard to terrorists, as you can purchase them with cash and not show any ID. It's been suggested that the London bombers possibly were unaware that the bombs were going to be detonated while they were still in the vicinity as well.

You would need something a lot more sophisticated than baby monitors to scan for cell phone signals. I know that they were used for detonating the bombs, both in Madrid, and London.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

You would need something a lot more sophisticated than baby monitors to scan for cell phone signals. I know that they were used for detonating the bombs, both in Madrid, and London.

Actually, civilians in Florida using something along the line of a baby monitor accidentally overhead a politican taking a bribe while talking on his cell phone in his car a couple of years back, so I know you can do it. It's just a question of knowing the proper frequencies. Which is one reason I disabled the wireless router for my computer. Lot of hitch-hikers out there.