New page added to SusanPowell.org

[kimbob]

AHHH---I see on page 7 of the letter from SP to law enforcement, that SP says the day care worker was given a key to the Powell house, and that Josh didn't realize it till after Susan went missing.

We can all relax now, because if SP said it, it MUST be true, right?

 

[Jacie Estes]

AHHH---I see on page 7 of the letter from SP to law enforcement, that SP says the day care worker was given a key to the Powell house, and that Josh didn't realize it till after Susan went missing.

We can all relax now, because if SP said it, it MUST be true, right?

hhhhmmmm the gospel according to.... :boohoo:



bats flying in the cave LMAO

 

[Jacie Estes]

So, other than :loser:chantrey/sp :loser: saying something about the keys....does anyone have a link about the 'day care lady' having keys to Susan's house?

:elfroll:


IMHO

 

[Jacie Estes]

Does anyone know if there is legally much difference in the consequences if 'someone' murdered Susan or if 'someone' incapacitated her and left her out in the woods to die of exposure?

 

[laytonian]

Does anyone know if there is legally much difference in the consequences if 'someone' murdered Susan or if 'someone' incapacitated her and left her out in the woods to die of exposure?

Could be the difference between First Degree murder and Manslaughter.

Intent, planning, failure to act, etc, would all be part of the deliberations by a prosecutor trying to determine charges. And in most cases, they aim for the stiffer charges, in case there's a chance for a life-sparing plea bargain.

Utah executes.

 

[laytonian]

AHHH---I see on page 7 of the letter from SP to law enforcement, that SP says the day care worker was given a key to the Powell house, and that Josh didn't realize it till after Susan went missing.

We can all relax now, because if SP said it, it MUST be true, right?

Now that doesn't make a lick of sense, if they're trying to make an accusation.

If JP didn't know about it until after Susan "ran away to Brazil" :crazy:, then only "day care lady" could have told him. Only an honest person would admit to having the key to a missing peron's house.

 

[kimbob]

I can't figure out where SP thinks he's going with the day care lady having a key to the house thing, unless he's saying she helped Susan get out of the house and still leave a set of keys inside in the elaborate attempt to frame Josh he suggests might be happening.

Otherwise, why would it matter if she had one or not? But I still say she would have used it to get into the house to see if anyone was in there instead of waiting for the cops to break a window pane to get in.

SP is saying the day care lady is a man hater and was trying to get Susan to leave Josh. But she said in a post on Facebook that her anniversary was the same day that Josh came home and with all that was going on, she still needed and wanted to celebrate with her husband. She's also referred in the past to her husband and kids and she sounds very happy with her home life, so what's with trying to make her out as a man-hater? I think Powell is hacked off because she is a major fly in his ointment. She reported them missing before Josh was ready to come home and make up some lie on his own time.

Powells are just literally throwing anything at the wall to see what might stick.

 

[hollyblue]

Also, in sort of an answer to HollyBlue's suggestion that the day care lady had a key to Susan's house, nobody seems to be able to find a statement from an official source to support that. Plus, the day care lady was on the scene when the police came to check on the house. They had to break a window to get in. If she had a key she would have gotten in herself or would have given the key to the police.

Do you have a link? Also, I'm sure if this is true, LE knows at this point. I haven't seen it disputed in the MSM.

 

[hollyblue]

I can't figure out where SP thinks he's going with the day care lady having a key to the house thing, unless he's saying she helped Susan get out of the house and still leave a set of keys inside in the elaborate attempt to frame Josh he suggests might be happening.

Otherwise, why would it matter if she had one or not? But I still say she would have used it to get into the house to see if anyone was in there instead of waiting for the cops to break a window pane to get in.

SP is saying the day care lady is a man hater and was trying to get Susan to leave Josh. But she said in a post on Facebook that her anniversary was the same day that Josh came home and with all that was going on, she still needed and wanted to celebrate with her husband. She's also referred in the past to her husband and kids and she sounds very happy with her home life, so what's with trying to make her out as a man-hater? I think Powell is hacked off because she is a major fly in his ointment. She reported them missing before Josh was ready to come home and make up some lie on his own time.

Powells are just literally throwing anything at the wall to see what might stick.

There has been mixed reporting by the media regarding the keys. Many have Mr. Cox saying that Susan left her purse and cell phone....nothing about the keys. Other reports include the keys. My question to Kirk regarding the kinds of locks on the exterior doors was to see if it was possible if Susan could let herself out and still lock the doors by just turning the lock on the inside and shutting the door rather than a dead bolt needing a key. This would include the door to the garage. I've lived in a house that had a button right at the entrance inside of the garage; after exiting, you could reach in and activate the garage door to close behind you.

LE could have had the knowledge of DC having a set of keys too; either way, they surely verified his accusation one way or the other.

 

[believe09]

I feel like we are running on a hamster wheel, lol.

http://www.examiner.com/suddenly-fa...nsidered-by-utah-missing-person-investigators

This article is from 2/2010- and here are a few snips:

"While it appears that Steven is close in age to Susan Powell and was driving through the Salt Lake City area within a day or two of her disappearance, any connection between the two seems entirely coincidental to us. Because we want to remain open to all possibilities, no matter how improbable, we have no issue with an exchange of information between the St. George and West Valley City police departments."
West Valley City police also reportedly doubt a connection between the two cases. But they say they'll consider a link and will share information with the police in St. George, Utah 300 miles to the south."

Of course they are going to chase leads, that is what they do. They would not have bothered unless it was easy to rule in or out....jmvho. Because it is far-fetched, also in my opinion.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...versary-of-Utah-man-missing-for-one-year.html

Also a snip:

"Both the Koecher and Cox families have dismissed the idea as nonsense.
Late Sunday, the Koecher family, who live in Bountiful, issued a lengthy statement focusing on the facts of their son's case. They listed 11 points as to why Steven and Susan did not run off together.
Some of the reasons included: St. George and West Valley police already met to discuss this topic 10 months ago and determined there was no reason to believe the two had ever met; Koecher's passport was found last spring and is being held by his parents; and Koecher's cell phone charger, guitar and laptop, all items he took with him when he would be traveling for several days, were found in his St. George apartment."

 

[Salem]

Please stop being snarky to each other. It is not necessary.

The information regarding the key was linked to a legitimate news source - the news source put it out there, without taking credit for it, so it could be discussed and thought about. It has been put here, without anyone taking credit for it, so it can be discussed and weighted.

The discussion regarding the "key" is worth having - where did the info originally come from? How trustworthy is it? What is its meaning?

Trying to put it in perspective - when a person is on trial for a crime, the defensive lawyer is going to put forth any bit of information they think will help raise a "reasonable doubt" as to their client's guilt. If there is ever a trial in this case - you can bet this info will be given to the jury to consider.

Why would or wouldn't it raise a reasonable doubt?

Remember to always respond to the POST, and not the POSTER. Please do not put others on the defensive.

Thanks,

Salem
Mod

 

[SugarJames]

Please stop being snarky to each other. It is not necessary.

The information regarding the key was linked to a legitimate news source - the news source put it out there, without taking credit for it, so it could be discussed and thought about. It has been put here, without anyone taking credit for it, so it can be discussed and weighted.

The discussion regarding the "key" is worth having - where did the info originally come from? How trustworthy is it? What is its meaning?

Trying to put it in perspective - when a person is on trial for a crime, the defensive lawyer is going to put forth any bit of information they think will help raise a "reasonable doubt" as to their client's guilt. If there is ever a trial in this case - you can bet this info will be given to the jury to consider.

Why would or wouldn't it raise a reasonable doubt?

Remember to always respond to the POST, and not the POSTER. Please do not put others on the defensive.

Thanks,

Salem
Mod

I agree that this is a conversation worth having...If susan left her purse, cell phone, and keys on the bed or ??? any where in the house and those keys were removed by a person who also was in the residence the very next day "cleaning and moving funiture" before a search by LE...would any of the evidence collected by WVPD be worth anything?

 

[SugarJames]

I agree that this is a conversation worth having...If susan left her purse, cell phone, and keys on the bed or ??? any where in the house and those keys were removed by a person who also was in the residence the very next day "cleaning and moving funiture" before a search by LE...would any of the evidence collected by WVPD be worth anything?

There are currently 5 keys that can access my house...how many keys are out there in this case?

 

[kimbob]

The only thing I've ever read or heard about belongings is the initial reports saying that Susan's purse and cell phone were in the house. Discussion of keys came in soon later when people began to ask about the house being locked up, and more discussion occurred when news came out that Josh maintained control of the van key.

 

[snupy]

I agree that this is a conversation worth having...If susan left her purse, cell phone, and keys on the bed or ??? any where in the house and those keys were removed by a person who also was in the residence the very next day "cleaning and moving funiture" before a search by LE...would any of the evidence collected by WVPD be worth anything?

I am confused why would anyone "clean and move furniture?" or move the keys? Do you think this person may have set up the fans on the wet spot also? Not being snarky just would like you to elaborate on your theory if you dont mind.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree that this is a conversation worth having...If susan left her purse, cell phone, and keys on the bed or ??? any where in the house and those keys were removed by a person who also was in the residence the very next day "cleaning and moving funiture" before a search by LE...would any of the evidence collected by WVPD be worth anything?

The only thing I've ever read or heard about belongings is the initial reports saying that Susan's purse and cell phone were in the house. Discussion of keys came in soon later when people began to ask about the house being locked up, and more discussion occurred when news came out that Josh maintained control of the van key.

I found the link for the timeline and the source for DC being at the residence at the time the police arrived. As stated before, the keys, phone, purse as the articles left behind seemed to vary with different reports. Most of the time, her keys were the contention of whether there or not.

Here's link for the timeline and about DC....

(Timelines prepared with the assistance of JoVonna Owings, Debbie Caldwell, Kiirsi Hellewell, and Jennifer Graves, friends and family of Susan Powell, and news reports.)

The author's other sources are listed below the article, but one is no longer on line.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...ine-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance

ETA: I just reread the timeline. To me, it generates tons of questions....many details were left out. It states that DC did go to the house twice, once before the police were called and once again after the police were there, but doesn't say she was there when the police arrived.
If she had a day care center, how is that allowing her to travel to Susan's house....wouldn't she be taking care of kids? Curious too if she continued to call Susan's employer until she confirmed she was not at work? This timeline also states purse and keys....no cell phone. Just so many details left out that could be important.

 

[Jacie Estes]

On the 7th of Dec 2009, what input was there from jp's side of the family about jp being missing, other than Jennifer? Did police speak with them in WA? When were they contacted?

 

[hollyblue]

On the 7th of Dec 2009, what input was there from jp's side of the family about jp being missing, other than Jennifer? Did police speak with them in WA? When were they contacted?

From what I can recall, DC called Jennifer and Terri that morning and then they (Josh's family), called LE. Here's the link to the very first thread. I have been skimming it, but many of the links to the articles are now gone. I don't remember Terri ever being quoted...to this day.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92568"]UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[kimbob]

Thanks for the timeline.
We only have Josh's word through his father that Jennifer was cleaning and turning over the furniture. That statement by SP was an attempt to explain a stain on the carpet. What doesn't make sense to me is that if the fans were set up to dry the wet spot when the police entered the home midmorning before Josh was contacted, why would there still be a stain on the carpet as SP said?

 

[SugarJames]

I found the link for the timeline and the source for DC being at the residence at the time the police arrived. As stated before, the keys, phone, purse as the articles left behind seemed to vary with different reports. Most of the time, her keys were the contention of whether there or not.

Here's link for the timeline and about DC....

(Timelines prepared with the assistance of JoVonna Owings, Debbie Caldwell, Kiirsi Hellewell, and Jennifer Graves, friends and family of Susan Powell, and news reports.)

The author's other sources are listed below the article, but one is no longer on line.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...ine-of-days-surrounding-susan-s-disappearance

ETA: I just reread the timeline. To me, it generates tons of questions....many details were left out. It states that DC did go to the house twice, once before the police were called and once again after the police were there, but doesn't say she was there when the police arrived.
If she had a day care center, how is that allowing her to travel to Susan's house....wouldn't she be taking care of kids? Curious too if she continued to call Susan's employer until she confirmed she was not at work? This timeline also states purse and keys....no cell phone. Just so many details left out that could be important.

The timeline you linked to has had puzzled me since it came out. To me it clearly shows some panic going on...Horrible things were going through the minds of those folks involved, and I dont mean that in a bad way. If the keys were there when the police broke out the window(I have allways wondered if LE was at the house until josh returned, they had made the house unsecure) then josh left with LE shortly after fixing the window, to WVPD for questioning returning sometime around 10pm IIRC...the next morning while getting dressed his sister (from Susanpowell.org.) is cleaning and moving furniture and asking questions about stains. If the keys were removed from the house by Jennifer and later returned to LE as evidence...then that same person makes comments that it was her that pressed LE for a search...where would that put all of the evidenice collected from the house?

A good question would be when were the keys returned?