New Websleuths YouTube Live episode about JonBenet

[Tricia]

Last night we took apart another interview John Ramsey gave to an unsuspecting reporter. This time it was Nate Eaton from East Idaho News.
Please take a look and if you could leave a thumbs up and even a comment in the comment section. Leaving a comment helps us with YouTube and all that algorithm crap. Thanks. By the way our YouTube channel is NOT monetized.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Another great show! Thank you Tricia,,,,

It was great to have two respected people who have done such incredible research on this case speaking about the case and JR's continual calvacade of lies.

With regard to the question about his possible cognitive decline.....that thought entered my mind when I watched the interview with Ashley Flowers. I do think that there might be some of that happening, but I also agree with the point that was raised by one of the gentlemen about how he is still on point (his point) about so many other details with this case. He's a manipulator and he's a liar. There's a new audience for him to fool and get sympathy from after the renewed interest from the (disastrous) Netflix mockumentary. I think the very last thing that comes out of his mouth before he leaves this earth will likely be a lie.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I also thought that two very valid points were brought up that I believe deserve further discussion.....

Why does JR never speak about the ransom note? It is probably the most important piece of evidence there is, but he just harps on DNA, DNA, DNA!!!! I think a deep dive into re-examining the note using the latest graphology and handwriting analysis techniques available today would be appropriate. It would be interesting to have new eyes on the note and what they might come up with.

And speaking of the DNA......since PR told LE that she put the long johns on JB, why is her DNA not present? It's as curious as no fingerprints on the note.

I wholeheartedly agree that the DNA evidence is a red herring. This case is not a DNA case and will not be solved by further DNA testing.

 

[Tricia]

I also thought that two very valid points were brought up that I believe deserve further discussion.....

Why does JR never speak about the ransom note? It is probably the most important piece of evidence there is, but he just harps on DNA, DNA, DNA!!!! I think a deep dive into re-examining the note using the latest graphology and handwriting analysis techniques available today would be appropriate. It would be interesting to have new eyes on the note and what they might come up with.

And speaking of the DNA......since PR told LE that she put the long johns on JB, why is her DNA not present? It's as curious as no fingerprints on the note.

I wholeheartedly agree that the DNA evidence is a red herring. This case is not a DNA case and will not be solved by further DNA testing.

CloudedTruth there is nothing clouded about your theories. You are right on when it comes to this case.
Thank you.

 

[CloudedTruth]

CloudedTruth there is nothing clouded about your theories. You are right on when it comes to this case.
Thank you.

Thank you!

 

[AddieBoo]

Another great show! Thank you Tricia,,,,

It was great to have two respected people who have done such incredible research on this case speaking about the case and JR's continual calvacade of lies.

With regard to the question about his possible cognitive decline.....that thought entered my mind when I watched the interview with Ashley Flowers. I do think that there might be some of that happening, but I also agree with the point that was raised by one of the gentlemen about how he is still on point (his point) about so many other details with this case. He's a manipulator and he's a liar. There's a new audience for him to fool and get sympathy from after the renewed interest from the (disastrous) Netflix mockumentary. I think the very last thing that comes out of his mouth before he leaves this earth will likely be a lie.

I don’t think he has cognitive decline necessarily. I think he’s hitting the sauce…,

Clouded Truth is spot on, one hundred percent on the mark, absolute truth in her assessment of Mr Ramsey, IMO.
John Ramsey and his daughter’s murder are ratings gold. I think he throws out these outrageous statements for that purpose. To make the networks happy and keep that gravy train going.

Great show with the best guests, Tricia! Thank you.

Hanging on every word from those guys. They need coverage and time in the media spotlight. The public needs to know. They need to know the extent of what was/is going down in Boulder regarding the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. The public deserves a huge all encompassing, heaping portion of truth about this case.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I don’t think he has cognitive decline necessarily. I think he’s hitting the sauce…,

Clouded Truth is spot on, one hundred percent on the mark, absolute truth in her assessment of Mr Ramsey, IMO.
John Ramsey and his daughter’s murder are ratings gold. I think he throws out these outrageous statements for that purpose. To make the networks happy and keep that gravy train going.

Great show with the best guests, Tricia! Thank you.

Hanging on every word from those guys. They need coverage and time in the media spotlight. The public needs to know. They need to know the extent of what was/is going down in Boulder regarding the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. The public deserves a huge all encompassing, heaping portion of truth about this case.

It still amazes me how he can so obviously and boldly lie about details that we all know are false, and interviewers just let him get away with it without any pushback. Either they are not as familiar with the case as they should be or they're afraid to challenge him. When you allow someone to lie with impunity without fact checking them, that's not what I would call good or responsible investigative journalism.

 

[AddieBoo]

It still amazes me how he can so obviously and boldly lie about details that we all know are false, and interviewers just let him get away with it without any pushback. Either they are not as familiar with the case as they should be or they're afraid to challenge him. When you allow someone to lie with impunity without fact checking them, that's not what I would call good or responsible investigative journalism.

I don’t get it either.
Do the networks just want the ratings without worrying about being sued? Those corporations have huge business affairs offices…CBS was ready for the Ramsey’s…
It’s not journalism, those interviews.Totally agree with you. I have noticed particular journalists/newsmen/attorneys from network who leave little doubt regarding their defense of Ramsey all the while showing a glaring bias. So we all know Ramsey has connections…
There is no excuse for this. It is a total travesty of the free press and journalism ethics IMO.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I don’t get it either.
Do the networks just want the ratings without worrying about being sued? Those corporations have huge business affairs offices…CBS was ready for the Ramsey’s…
It’s not journalism, those interviews.Totally agree with you. I have noticed particular journalists/newsmen/attorneys from network who leave little doubt regarding their defense of Ramsey all the while showing a glaring bias. So we all know Ramsey has connections…
There is no excuse for this. It is a total travesty of the free press and journalism ethics IMO.

The landscape of mainstream media and networks has changed dramatically in recent years. Ownership has played a big role in the changes that are noted. I struggle to call any of it "journalism" any more. The way news stories are told are most often skewed to represent only what the bosses want to put out there, what they want the public to hear. Ethics have gone out the window. I'm sure JR's constant threats of lawsuits have played a role in this, but there is also the fact that none of these lawsuits have ever gone to trial. There have always been just settlements. No entity has ever had to issue a retraction, it's all about $$$$. I would love to see someone with some journalistic integrity do a deep dive and tell the truth.....point out the inconsistencies and the misrepresentations. A point by point rebuttal of the Netflix show and inclusion of all the evidence they excluded.

 

[AddieBoo]

The landscape of mainstream media and networks has changed dramatically in recent years. Ownership has played a big role in the changes that are noted. I struggle to call any of it "journalism" any more. The way news stories are told are most often skewed to represent only what the bosses want to put out there, what they want the public to hear. Ethics have gone out the window. I'm sure JR's constant threats of lawsuits have played a role in this, but there is also the fact that none of these lawsuits have ever gone to trial. There have always been just settlements. No entity has ever had to issue a retraction, it's all about $$$$. I would love to see someone with some journalistic integrity do a deep dive and tell the truth.....point out the inconsistencies and the misrepresentations. A point by point rebuttal of the Netflix show and inclusion of all the evidence they excluded.

Those corporations have insurance companies as well as legal teams, that determine risk management.
The profits from that CBS JonBenet limited series were greater than the a potential legal payout if sued. It’s all a dog and pony show. Litigate just enough as the plaintiff to get a settlement before discovery/deposition. Discovery Deposition from CBS? Seriously? 60 minutes CBS?
John Ramsey gets the righteous publicity from asking an enormous fee for damages (just short of 1B IIRC) once again exploiting the victim party, and the legal fees just keep rolling in. Lin Wood said it best when he commented on his huge profits from handling the defense of John Ramsey. Meanwhile, his son is literally and forever dragged through the mud because of that infamous Dr Phil show, that John Ramsey did nothing about, either pre release of that show or the contracts with Dr Phil beforehand to protect his son against any damaging, incriminating content, which, for all intents, was most likely downplayed to Burke so that he could “tell his story.” But we all know a sliver of any incriminating piece from that interview would result in higher ratings, coverage, and Dr Phil could bask in all the praise for his interview skills…..

Burke Ramsey, IMO, was done absolutely no benefit from that interview. Did John Ramsey set it up or was that pressure and a huge paycheck? Was that Dr Phil’s team for exposure to further his new, at that time, CBS prime time series? Can anyone just imagine the conversations with Burke about agreeing to do that interview?
John Ramsey uses the media, but the media will out play him when necessary. He is no match for them. Which brings me to speculate that regarding this horrible murder, the continuation of calculated lies from its primary suspect are far more profitable than the finality of truth.
Unless of course any one of the Ramsey’s (or two) come forward to tell the truth. That would be a gold mine for them and the ratings would be, internationally, mind blowing. It’s not journalism, it’s not ethical, and as you pointed out, highly controlled. The “dark forces” of profit and greed, so far, have prevailed justice for a little girl.

MOO amid informed speculation.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Those corporations have insurance companies as well as legal teams, that determine risk management.
The profits from that CBS JonBenet limited series were greater than the a potential legal payout if sued. It’s all a dog and pony show. Litigate just enough as the plaintiff to get a settlement before discovery/deposition. Discovery Deposition from CBS? Seriously? 60 minutes CBS?
John Ramsey gets the righteous publicity from asking an enormous fee for damages (just short of 1B IIRC) once again exploiting the victim party, and the legal fees just keep rolling in. Lin Wood said it best when he commented on his huge profits from handling the defense of John Ramsey. Meanwhile, his son is literally and forever dragged through the mud because of that infamous Dr Phil show, that John Ramsey did nothing about, either pre release of that show or the contracts with Dr Phil beforehand to protect his son against any damaging, incriminating content, which, for all intents, was most likely downplayed to Burke so that he could “tell his story.” But we all know a sliver of any incriminating piece from that interview would result in higher ratings, coverage, and Dr Phil could bask in all the praise for his interview skills…..

Burke Ramsey, IMO, was done absolutely no benefit from that interview. Did John Ramsey set it up or was that pressure and a huge paycheck? Was that Dr Phil’s team for exposure to further his new, at that time, CBS prime time series? Can anyone just imagine the conversations with Burke about agreeing to do that interview?
John Ramsey uses the media, but the media will out play him when necessary. He is no match for them. Which brings me to speculate that regarding this horrible murder, the continuation of calculated lies from its primary suspect are far more profitable than the finality of truth.
Unless of course any one of the Ramsey’s (or two) come forward to tell the truth. That would be a gold mine for them and the ratings would be, internationally, mind blowing. It’s not journalism, it’s not ethical, and as you pointed out, highly controlled. The “dark forces” of profit and greed, so far, have prevailed justice for a little girl.

MOO amid informed speculation.

IMO, the Dr. Phil interview was done with the sole purpose of affording BR the ability to file a lawsuit against CBS and the program participants. They knew it was going to air soon and they knew the content and the conclusions that were going to be made. BR had up until that point never told his story publicly. You can't prove defamation without proof that statements made can be described as "false, published, harmful or unprivileged". Without his going on the records I think then the statements made in the CBS documentary could've been described as "speculation". And yet again, the lawsuit was settled out of court with no retraction requirements. It isn't about justice for JB or solving the case. It's all about $$$$.

 

[AddieBoo]

IMO, the Dr. Phil interview was done with the sole purpose of affording BR the ability to file a lawsuit against CBS and the program participants. They knew it was going to air soon and they knew the content and the conclusions that were going to be made. BR had up until that point never told his story publicly. You can't prove defamation without proof that statements made can be described as "false, published, harmful or unprivileged". Without his going on the records I think then the statements made in the CBS documentary could've been described as "speculation". And yet again, the lawsuit was settled out of court with no retraction requirements. It isn't about justice for JB or solving the case. It's all about $$$$.

That could have been a major selling point to Burke. Win-win. It’s all calculated. CBS knows. Team Ramsey/Dr Phil knows. But that Dr Phil bet backfired IMO, big time and forever. Burke Ramsey may have settled with a modest check from CBS, but he lost. Those interviews are still racking up hundreds of views…
It would be so interesting if some person of considerable resources sued Netflix- the legalese I don’t know-. Made a big hell of a legal drama about that documentary, publicly, and out litigate them all. (Zero chances but so very gratifying to fantasize)
Journalists, the real ones in war zones, in governments, etc are murdered in record number. It is an extremely dangerous occupation, Journalists and their families…
Just learning about the British journalist who was executed in Cairo years back…
They risk their lives to tell, expose the truth. The journalist who fought for the release of those four True Bills., A mammoth accomplishment that we are all so grateful for. Yet, to date there is yet to be that level of expertise and analysis that those journalists bring along with all their resources, in a comprehensive report on this case without bias. A point by point by fact by fact presentation to the public, without speculation, what is known about this case, including what is known about the DA and the alleged obstruction of justice from Team Ramsey.
I am combing through the (printed) police interviews lately,,,TT and TD et al.
Another topic. But would enjoy a analysis by the WBs on those…
Don’t know what the latest limited series on this murder will include.,,but those police interview scripts are very dramatic in parts,,,

 

[CloudedTruth]

That could have been a major selling point to Burke. Win-win. It’s all calculated. CBS knows. Team Ramsey/Dr Phil knows. But that Dr Phil bet backfired IMO, big time and forever. Burke Ramsey may have settled with a modest check from CBS, but he lost. Those interviews are still racking up hundreds of views…
It would be so interesting if some person of considerable resources sued Netflix- the legalese I don’t know-. Made a big hell of a legal drama about that documentary, publicly, and out litigate them all. (Zero chances but so very gratifying to fantasize)
Journalists, the real ones in war zones, in governments, etc are murdered in record number. It is an extremely dangerous occupation, Journalists and their families…
Just learning about the British journalist who was executed in Cairo years back…
They risk their lives to tell, expose the truth. The journalist who fought for the release of those four True Bills., A mammoth accomplishment that we are all so grateful for. Yet, to date there is yet to be that level of expertise and analysis that those journalists bring along with all their resources, in a comprehensive report on this case without bias. A point by point by fact by fact presentation to the public, without speculation, what is known about this case, including what is known about the DA and the alleged obstruction of justice from Team Ramsey.
I am combing through the (printed) police interviews lately,,,TT and TD et al.
Another topic. But would enjoy a analysis by the WBs on those…
Don’t know what the latest limited series on this murder will include.,,but those police interview scripts are very dramatic in parts,,,

Oh, yes. JR has always exhibited his failure to "read the room" and his lack of ability to understand the optics. That was on full display with the Dr. Phil interview. Even with coaching, which I am sure they did a lot of, BR's awkwardness is so prominent that it ramped up the rumors that he is on the spectrum. JR always tries to dismiss his obvious oddness, like trying to explain away the weird (and inappropriate) smiling by saying he does it too. We've also noticed that JR, and it's inappropriate when you do it too. After all the years of countless interviews he has done, you'd think someone would've pointed out to him how creepy that looks. It reinforces why so many people think he (or someone in the family) is guilty. And I doubt JR was prepared for BR admitting that he was downstairs that night after everyone else was supposedly in bed. His excuses for that revelation are simply not believable. The interview may have accomplished the legal issue, but it was a disaster in every other aspect. We will never hear from BR again.

Agree wholeheartedly with your observations / comments about real journalists. They are heroes to which we owe a debt of gratitude for the jobs they do. Unfortunately, MSM that we are subjected to on a daily basis has become so biased and full of pundits who drone on and on about the most ridiculous things without offering anything truly substantial has overtaken the landscape. I would love a true journalist to take this story on and present just the facts. Debunk the BS that shows like the Netflix mockumentary have put out there. Sadly, I think it's wishful thinking.

 

[AddieBoo]

Oh, yes. JR has always exhibited his failure to "read the room" and his lack of ability to understand the optics. That was on full display with the Dr. Phil interview. Even with coaching, which I am sure they did a lot of, BR's awkwardness is so prominent that it ramped up the rumors that he is on the spectrum. JR always tries to dismiss his obvious oddness, like trying to explain away the weird (and inappropriate) smiling by saying he does it too. We've also noticed that JR, and it's inappropriate when you do it too. After all the years of countless interviews he has done, you'd think someone would've pointed out to him how creepy that looks. It reinforces why so many people think he (or someone in the family) is guilty. And I doubt JR was prepared for BR admitting that he was downstairs that night after everyone else was supposedly in bed. His excuses for that revelation are simply not believable. The interview may have accomplished the legal issue, but it was a disaster in every other aspect. We will never hear from BR again.

Agree wholeheartedly with your observations / comments about real journalists. They are heroes to which we owe a debt of gratitude for the jobs they do. Unfortunately, MSM that we are subjected to on a daily basis has become so biased and full of pundits who drone on and on about the most ridiculous things without offering anything truly substantial has overtaken the landscape. I would love a true journalist to take this story on and present just the facts. Debunk the BS that shows like the Netflix mockumentary have put out there. Sadly, I think it's wishful

Dr. Phil patently led Burke into that trap by prefacing it with (something like) “your father said” and no one has questioned Dr Phil to comment on that. Did JR say that, in what context? Was that comment “inferred” In the Flowers interview, he remained silent about confirming or not that statement,,.
Yeh, agree, Burke Ramsey, probably is forever out of the public eye.
The CBS documentary and the Dr Phil interview were a perfect symbiotic opportunity and the loser was Burke Ramsey IMO. God, it’s all such a MF. This murder is all good vs evil and the worst of humanity with the best of humanity trying to stay above water.

True journalist indeed! The Vanity Fair article done years back was very good IMO..,
I think an investigative journalist now on this case, would still encounter a level of danger though… don’t think it would be without risk.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Another great show! Thank you Tricia,,,,

It was great to have two respected people who have done such incredible research on this case speaking about the case and JR's continual calvacade of lies.

With regard to the question about his possible cognitive decline.....that thought entered my mind when I watched the interview with Ashley Flowers. I do think that there might be some of that happening, but I also agree with the point that was raised by one of the gentlemen about how he is still on point (his point) about so many other details with this case. He's a manipulator and he's a liar. There's a new audience for him to fool and get sympathy from after the renewed interest from the (disastrous) Netflix mockumentary. I think the very last thing that comes out of his mouth before he leaves this earth will likely be a lie.

New News - EYEROLL

John Ramsey reveals what will finally solve JonBenét's murder

John Ramsey, 81, told DailyMail.com this week he believes the key to finally snaring his daughter's killer after 28 long years rests with genetic genealogy.

mol.im

 

[AddieBoo]

Oh, yes. JR has always exhibited his failure to "read the room" and his lack of ability to understand the optics. That was on full display with the Dr. Phil interview. Even with coaching, which I am sure they did a lot of, BR's awkwardness is so prominent that it ramped up the rumors that he is on the spectrum. JR always tries to dismiss his obvious oddness, like trying to explain away the weird (and inappropriate) smiling by saying he does it too. We've also noticed that JR, and it's inappropriate when you do it too. After all the years of countless interviews he has done, you'd think someone would've pointed out to him how creepy that looks. It reinforces why so many people think he (or someone in the family) is guilty. And I doubt JR was prepared for BR admitting that he was downstairs that night after everyone else was supposedly in bed. His excuses for that revelation are simply not believable. The interview may have accomplished the legal issue, but it was a disaster in every other aspect. We will never hear from BR again.

Agree wholeheartedly with your observations / comments about real journalists. They are heroes to which we owe a debt of gratitude for the jobs they do. Unfortunately, MSM that we are subjected to on a daily basis has become so biased and full of pundits who drone on and on about the most ridiculous things without offering anything truly substantial has overtaken the landscape. I would love a true journalist to take this story on and present just the facts. Debunk the BS that shows like the Netflix mockumentary have put out there. Sadly, I think it's wishful thinking.

New News - EYEROLL

John Ramsey reveals what will finally solve JonBenét's murder

John Ramsey, 81, told DailyMail.com this week he believes the key to finally snaring his daughter's killer after 28 long years rests with genetic genealogy.

mol.im

John Ramsey, says Chris Wolf gives him the creeps but says he thinks Jon Mark Karr is a nice guy.
JMK, a known pedo.
Anyone surprised?