Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest* #2

[courtkim]

My two cents on the choking thing:
I lean more towards All & Forward's opinion that it's fairly run of the mill for 'young' people who are quite sexually active (up there with ).
My personal experience - as someone in late twenties who would probably be considered quite 'promiscuous' by most - is that it frequently happens in casual sex, although it's always been brought up first. Just doing it without asking would be creepy and in that case I agree with the lasses.

On a societal level though when I really think about it it makes me sick. It's such an example of 's dominance in shaping sexual behaviours and then violence against women being normalised in that regard. Watch HBO's Euphoria in you want an insight in how effed Gen Z is.

 

[Mariposa]

On a societal level though when I really think about it it makes me sick. It's such an example of 's dominance in shaping sexual behaviours and then violence against women being normalised in that regard. Watch HBO's Euphoria in you want an insight in how effed Gen Z is.

Yep. As a wayback Gen X type here I find the rise of playacting killing a woman as a top sex act could present some problems for criminal responsibility on a societal level. Someone shared this earlier and I found it on point.
The fatal, hateful rise of choking during sex

As you mention IMO this defendant was heavily pornified to the extent he was seeking it out as Grace Millane's newly dead body lay nearby. In fact he tried to turn her into with his pictures. I find that quite illuminating of his frame of mind.

 

[Mariposa]

Thanks for this, I just rewatched this after first seeing it last week. I am now thinking that it's possible he did this as a ha ha funny joke for Grace's benefit. I did a bit of online dating back in the day and there is always that moment where you first see each other in real life which is a bit awkward. This could be his way of trying to break the ice - like he sees her and she sees him, the've made eye contact then he jokingly pretends like he's going to turn around and walk away but then doesn't.

Not that it makes much difference - it could equally be the other scenario, where he was actually going to turn and leave then had second thoughts for whatever reason. But I do think from the trajectory of the way they were walking, and knowing that big open space out the front of sky city - that Grace would most likely have seen the accused too by the time he did his little 360 turn.

I am also torn on whether him turning around, basically that quick spin he does, was an attempt to back out of the date, or if he did it with a wink and a smile after she already saw him. Of course it's hard to see their sightlines or where Grace was looking but it seems like she likely spotted him by then, esp with how you describe the open space there.

 

[sunnynz]

On a societal level though when I really think about it it makes me sick. It's such an example of 's dominance in shaping sexual behaviours and then violence against women being normalised in that regard. Watch HBO's Euphoria in you want an insight in how effed Gen Z is.

This is an excellent point. I listened to a podcast series (the name of which escapes me right now) about how the rise of online has totally changed the sexual mores of a whole generation.

 

[jaejae]

Here are some more recent reports on this case:

Grace Millane murder trial: The defence gears up for week three, will the accused give evidence?

Grace Millane murder accused 'told Tinder date that he was dying of cancer'

 

[mrazda71]

I am also torn on whether him turning around, basically that quick spin he does, was an attempt to back out of the date, or if he did it with a wink and a smile after she already saw him. Of course it's hard to see their sightlines or where Grace was looking but it seems like she likely spotted him by then, esp with how you describe the open space there.

It IS hard to tell with the pixelation but, it looks like he was straightening up his clothing, checking his flies were up, adjusting sleeves etc ...

If only it had been him backing out on the date eh ...

Makes me wonder, how many near misses one could have in a lifetime and be completely oblivious.

 

[Hjp]

It is clear that the defendant had an extreme sexual disorder complex that had been getting more obsessive for some time. The women before Grace, (including the lady that met with him on Dec 2nd in Ponsonby), were extremely lucky.

I can't imagine any girl of 21, (unless in the industry or prostitution:- which Grace was not), would have wanted to conduct anything like that level of extreme erotic sex. Grace was clearly looking for a passionate encounter, not to be smothered!; not at all.

In my view, the style of sex was imposed by the accused due to the clear evidence of deep bruising on Grace's body and the lengths he went to restrain her. There is no way under those circumstances she would have given him the green light to continue as it must have been quite vulgar and unpleasant for her.

It obviously points to a situation where due to the drink, he has gone completely off the rails, took control, and ignored her pleas to stop; which resulted in him carrying on until he climaxed or she had stopped moving/breathing.

All of what he know of this case up to now, shows that this man is a maniac that deserves to remain behind bars until well into old age where he will no longer represent a mortal threat to the young female population.

 

[Marulinka]

It is clear that the defendant had an extreme sexual disorder complex that had been getting more obsessive for some time. The women before Grace, (including the lady that met with him on Dec 2nd in Ponsonby), were extremely lucky.

I can't imagine any girl of 21, (unless in the industry or prostitution:- which Grace was not), would have wanted to conduct anything like that level of extreme erotic sex. Grace was clearly looking for a passionate encounter, not to be smothered!; not at all.

In my view, the style of sex was imposed by the accused due to the clear evidence of deep bruising on Grace's body and the lengths he went to restrain her. There is no way under those circumstances she would have given him the green light to continue as it must have been quite vulgar and unpleasant for her.

It obviously points to a situation where due to the drink, he has gone completely off the rails, took control, and ignored her pleas to stop; which resulted in him carrying on until he climaxed or she had stopped moving/breathing.

All of what he know of this case up to now, shows that this man is a maniac that deserves to remain behind bars until well into old age where he will no longer represent a mortal threat to the young female population.

Well said. I have to agree with that @Hjp . Also i guess that will be the prosecusions closing argument to jury.

 

[LucyRocket]

The trial of the man accused of murdering British backpacker Grace Millane will continue at 10am this morning at the High Court in Auckland.

The defence will be opening its case today.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-updates??cid=facebook.post&cid=facebook.post

 

[jamjim]

"4 minutes ago

The trial of the man accused of murdering British backpacker Grace Millane will continue at 10am this morning at the High Court in Auckland.

The defence will be opening its case today."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117069680/grace-millane-murder-trial-latest-updates

 

[jamjim]

"9:30am - A large crowd is gathering for Tuesday's hearing, which will begin at 10am. The court was closed to the public on Friday while legal arguments were heard by Justice Simon Moore. No proceedings were held on Monday."

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses

 

[LucyRocket]

A large crowd is gathering for Tuesday's hearing, which will begin at 10am. The court was closed to the public on Friday while legal arguments were heard by Justice Simon Moore. No proceedings were held on Monday.

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses

 

[jamjim]

"9:48am - The public is waiting outside the courtroom for the proceedings to begin at 10am. Currently, lawyers and the media are preparing for the day inside room number 11 at the Auckland High Court."

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses

 

[LucyRocket]

The public is waiting outside the courtroom for the proceedings to begin at 10am. Currently, lawyers and the media are preparing for the day inside room number 11 at the Auckland High Court.

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses

 

[jamjim]

"The man accused of Grace's murder will not take the witness stand, defence lawyer Ian Brookie has announced."

Grace Millane murder trial: Accused won't take the witness stand in defence case

 

[LucyRocket]

Gutted

 

[LucyRocket]

- The defence has announced the accused will not enter the witness box, but multiple witnesses will be called in his defence.

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses

 

[jamjim]

"The accused's lawyer, Ian Brooke, has told the court this morning:

"The defendant elects not to give evidence but as may be apparent now he elects to call evidence."

Grace Millane murder trial: Accused won't take the stand in his own defence

 

[Edinlass]

More like the defence has persuaded this moron not to speak another word. It’s a shame because he would have hung himself out to dry for the jury to see IMO

 

[jamjim]

"10:19am - Defence lawyer Ron Mansfield has begun his opening address to the jury. He says they shouldn't be worried about what is normal, but only what is unlawful. Mansfield says the jury's view of what is the political, social or moral norm shouldn't distract them from determining whether there "has been a criminal wrong"."

Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses