Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest*

[Jennifer17]

On One News (NZ) just now, an acquaintance of the accused said he met him for coffee a month ago, at which time the accused told the man he'd moved to Auckland to take up a Regional Manager role. Whomever he was employed by may have funded his stay at City Life as part of his relocation allowance.

Yes, I think that too.

 

[Pepper77]

I'm baffled why on earth so many people on FB want to follow this creep. The number is in the 800s now !

Some people are odd like that - it's like they get off on the notoriety that being associated with him might bring (even though he probably has no idea who they are). Or maybe they think he'll do what Gable Tostee did, and start blabbing ...

 

[Pepper77]

Interesting article about the accused murderer and his family. I believe it is OK to post this link b/c no names are mentioned - not the accused, nor his family members.

Grace Millane murder accused was estranged from family, grandfather says

Thank you for posting that article; it was an interesting read.

So on his FB profile he said he was from Sydney, where in reality he is a Kiwi but spent some time in Sydney. He obviously felt more at home in Australia - so considered himself an Aussie - which is why he identified that way. Whatever floats your boat, I guess ...

@Goldilox Yes, he did go to school in the Wellington area. I posted the name of the school earlier in the day, but deleted it when I learned about the name suppression. It will all come out in due course.

@kae27 I got a bit of an 'off' feeling looking at his photo ... there's something about his mouth. And wearing sunglasses on his profile photo? It suggests something to hide in my view. All JMO only.

 

[kem922]

My heart aches for Graces family. If you look at her FB profile she had photos still up from 2010, when she was a little teenager . Do you think suspects comment on her profile is from before or after he murdered her..? People seem to have reacted to it. It is creepy to think that he may have left if after he harmed her.

 

[Pepper77]

My heart aches for Graces family. If you look at her FB profile she had photos still up from 2010, when she was a little teenager . Do you think suspects comment on her profile is from before or after he murdered her..? People seem to have reacted to it. It is creepy to think that he may have left if after he harmed her.

She looked like such a lovely lady.

I really hope this doesn't put others off what is seen as a rite of passage for so many. I hope too that people won't be scared to come to our beautiful country. This was a terrible, terrible tragedy which so many Kiwis are struggling to come to grips with.

Grace's death has touched so many people ... there are so many flowers being left near where Grace's remains were found. There are also vigils being planned for Queenstown, Auckand and Wellington.

 

[Blue Bottle]

So on his FB profile he said he was from Sydney, where in reality he is a Kiwi but spent some time in Sydney. He obviously felt more at home in Australia - so considered himself an Aussie - which is why he identified that way.

In the interview by his grandfather which was posted earlier, a female relative of the accused said he'd spent time living in Australia which is where his mother lived so his association with Australia could be something to do with that maybe...

 

[fergie7]

Seems odd that he would leave his comment on her Facebook profile if he’s done such a good job of deleting all other traces of himself on SM!

 

[kem922]

Seems odd that he would leave his comment on her Facebook profile if he’s done such a good job of deleting all other traces of himself on SM!

it is quite weird. But I've remembered other murder cases where the murderer tries to do something that makes them look innocent but in reality they're over compensating. I believe it was Iain Huntley who when the police were first doing searches, he offered to help or something...then he turned out to be the murderer.

 

[Goldilox]

it is quite weird. But I've remembered other murder cases where the murderer tries to do something that makes them look innocent but in reality they're over compensating. I believe it was Iain Huntley who when the police were first doing searches, he offered to help or something...then he turned out to be the murderer.

Yes to Ian Huntley. I remember that interview when they were looking for tjw girls And straight away I said to my husband - it’s him

 

[otto]

I am not sure that Australia and NZ are any more dangerous than any other countries. Homicide rates for Oceania are well below the world average.

I'm not sure that gender attitudes are any different in New Zealand than Peru. Are #metoo countries more enlightened? Are some countries safer for 20-something hostellers?

"The former Prime Minister has just published a book of speeches, the theme of which is given away by the title: "Women, Equality, Power".

In speech after speech, Ms Clark points to the gender imbalance in politics and highlights the many structural barriers preventing more women rising to leadership positions.

She said in some countries there was in-built prejudice against women taking on positions of authority."​

Too few women? Cue eye rolls

The Liberals have a gender problem. But when women bring it up, there's a "collective eye roll".

'Hang in there': Former New Zealand PM's advice for Liberal Party women

 

[Goldilox]

Vehicle at centre of Grace Millane investigation hired out again after alleged killer drove it

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm not sure that gender attitudes are any different in New Zealand than Peru. Are #metoo countries more enlightened? Are some countries safer for 20-something hostellers?

"The former Prime Minister has just published a book of speeches, the theme of which is given away by the title: "Women, Equality, Power".

In speech after speech, Ms Clark points to the gender imbalance in politics and highlights the many structural barriers preventing more women rising to leadership positions.

She said in some countries there was in-built prejudice against women taking on positions of authority."​

Too few women? Cue eye rolls

The Liberals have a gender problem. But when women bring it up, there's a "collective eye roll".

'Hang in there': Former New Zealand PM's advice for Liberal Party women

Not sure where you are coming from here. NZ has had two female PM's. That is more than North America has had, although Canada had one for four months. Lucky her.

 

[otto]

Vehicle at centre of Grace Millane investigation hired out again after alleged killer drove it

That's not good - means all evidence in the vehicle is compromised. Hopefully the GPS, CCTV and money trail data is solid.

 

[otto]

Not sure where you are coming from here. NZ has had two female PM's. That is more than North America has had, although Canada had one for four months. Lucky her.

If barriers to women achieving goals are so prevalent in NZ that women are hampered even in intellectuals government circles, then the usual "eye rolls" from their male counterparts probably trickles all the way down to losers who live in hotels near casinos and hostels preying on young foreigners.

It's not the fact that there was a female prime minister, it's her message. Does her message trickle down to law and how men are understood through law?

For example, if a man beat a woman to death, but she was his girlfriend or wife, would the sentence be 18 months? If a man met a woman on Tinder and mistakenly believed that they were going to have sex and then she changed her mind so he accidentally murdered her. What does social culture have to believe to ensure that the sentence is greater than 18 months?

 

[Corina]

Not sure where you are coming from here. NZ has had two female PM's. That is more than North America has had, although Canada had one for four months. Lucky her.

For the record: three female NZ PM's - Jenny Shipley (1997-1999), Helen Clark (1999-2008), and the present Jacinda Ardern (2017- )

 

[ilovematt]

The defense lawyer Ian Brookie - Brookie Law

Wow, his lawyer sounds expensive... I’m not sure what legal costs look like in NZ but he’s a high profile former prosecutor with a hearty table of experience. I haven’t yet read about how name suppression works and why but i will. Off the cuff I can say it really irks me that this coward waste of a soul is allotted any anonymity and the govt demands his face be covered. What about her? Why are his rights more important than hers? He single handedly snuffed out an innocent girl and dumped her by the road. That should forfeit any protections aside from basic human needs being met.

 

[otto]

Name Suppression Law NZ:

Name suppression - Community Law

 

[otto]

Wow, his lawyer sounds expensive... I’m not sure what legal costs look like in NZ but he’s a high profile former prosecutor with a hearty table of experience. I haven’t yet read about how name suppression works and why but i will. Off the cuff I can say it really irks me that this coward waste of a soul is allotted any anonymity and the govt demands his face be covered. What about her? Why are his rights more important than hers? He single handedly snuffed out an innocent girl and dumped her by the road. That should forfeit any protections aside from basic human needs being met.

His rights are important because he is not convicted. If he is found not guilty, he should not have to wear the mark of a guilty man simply because he was accused.

It is important that no one is guilty of slandering an accused man.

 

[Jennifer17]

If barriers to women achieving goals are so prevalent in NZ that women are hampered even in intellectuals government circles, then the usual "eye rolls" from their male counterparts probably trickles all the way down to losers who live in hotels near casinos and hostels preying on young foreigners.

It's not the fact that there was a female prime minister, it's her message. Does her message trickle down to law and how men are understood through law?

For example, if a man beat a woman to death, but she was his girlfriend or wife, would the sentence be 18 months? If a man met a woman on Tinder and mistakenly believed that they were going to have sex and then she changed her mind so he accidentally murdered her. What does social culture have to believe to ensure that the sentence is greater than 18 months?

Ok, but is it any different in NZ than where you live? Does that make NZ any less safe than women in your country?

 

[Jennifer17]

His rights are important because he is not convicted. If he is found not guilty, he should not have to wear the mark of a guilty man simply because he was accused.

It is important that no one is guilty of slandering an accused man.

He would not wear the mask of a guilty man if, after trial he was found not guilty.