No matter how long I live I will never understand these women. He beat bleep out her and She's mad at everyone
else.
I am glad the NFL finally took a stand, even if they were forced into it.
The marriage may last as long as it takes for him to get a lesser sentence. Then, god willing, it will end in divorce. I just hope his anger is not taken out on the victim, but I wouldn' t bet money on it.
I work with domestic violence victims. It is not at all unusual for DV victims to go back repeatedly. It's part of the cycle.
ok.....just have to say my 2cents.
1) I saw J hit her husband TWICE before he finally hit her. Once. And she went after him first! It works both ways....women that hit their men have to realize that at some point they might hit back. Domestic violence works two ways.
2) Did J file charges? If she did not, why was LE involved?
3) I bet J is upset that the $$$$$ lifestyle she envisioned with her husband, just went pooooof!
4) And just for some background, I did divorce a physically abusive husband, so I know abuse.
See below.
I really don't get this attitude of...it is okay for a man to knock a woman out because she hit him first, even though she probably weighs like 100 pounds less?
Am I still on a crime victims forum?
I never see people criticizing women who are murdered by their husbands. No one asking why they didn't leave sooner.
What is different here??
Really sad to see all the victim blaming and implying she is a gold digger. BTW, she graduated from Towson University, and that was after she started dating Rice and his NFL career started. Not that it should matter.
Thank you. This is just ridiculous. Yes, it IS domestic violence when a woman hits a man. But I sure as heck did not see this woman hitting Ray Rice out of the blue. What I saw was the two of them in the elevator, and he jabbed her hard or hit her in the side as she was pushing the buttons, then she slapped out at him, in response. (You can see her body jerk right after she's looking at him and he's standing right up close to her). He then pushed her back hard against the elevator wall. Again, in RESPONSE, she lunges at him. Before she can make contact, he knocks her out cold.
Oh, I'm not fooled. This was a woman trying to defend herself from a man who probably makes a habit of beating her. Oh and there is a concept in the law called "like force". It applies to bar fights, self defense, etc. If indeed, she punched him twice and he only touched her "ONCE", which is not what I saw on the tape, then he could only defend himself legally by using equal force or the force necessary to get away. He is a huge, muscular football player. She is a petite woman. Whatever she did to him didn't cause his body to move at all. On the other hand, he knocked her out cold and could've killed her. Would she still be treated as if she engaged in mutual combat, like two men brawling in a bar, if the punch had killed her, which it easily could've?
It wouldn't matter if he punched her only "ONCE". He used brutal force to punish a woman who is tiny, compared to him, Disgusting.
And plenty of women kill men. Women are not the only victims. If they where both getting physical with each other before they were married, obviously not a marriage made in heaven.
Yes, women commit domestic violence everyday. Some female domestic abusers even kill, like jodi arias. And they should be held accountable just as harshly as men who do so. But to try to minimize what we saw here as simply "not a marriage made in heaven", because "both were getting physical with each other before they were married", is appalling to me, with utmost respect.
This is brutal, dangerous domestic violence. It is not just a couple who both like to fight. One was knocked off her feet and unconscious and dragged around like a sack of grain, not a human, by a partner who didn't even stoop down to check if she was alive, who happened to be at least twice her size and strength.
This is sick and I am horrified by any attempts to minimize what this is or to victim blame, i.e., "she asked for it".
No, she didn't. Even if she punched him. Because we come back to that concept of like force. His obligation, as is all of ours, is to defend ourselves with the force needed to do so and no more and to get away when we can. Thus, typically, the person who is less injured in a DV situation where both were committing violence, is the one who is arrested. (My belief as to why that didn;t happen here is because of Rice's celebrity. That's it.)
What you are suggesting is almost akin to saying, I think, that if someone uses a gun and shoots a partner because their partner pushed them, that's okay, because hey, they were "both physical" and that's just a bad marriage. Well, it just doesn't work that way.
Finally, again, I can see who is the aggressor here. I;m not fooled. I know how abusers act. When they enter the elevator, he invades her space and stands right up next to her body, saying something to her. Her body language evidences that it;s not something great as she turns her face toward him in that cramped space. We then see his arm down by her side and see her body jerk as his arms flexes. I know what happened there. So she strikes out at him. It is unclear whether she makes contact thought and she is immediately shoved back into the wall. She springs back at him and before making contact again, he knocks her flat.
To me, her behavior is not the behavior of a cowering spouse. Not all DV victims just lie there, cower and "take it". But it
is the behavior of a partner who knows what to expect, because she's been through this before - the fighting, then the gritted teeth, threats-in-the-ear-when-in-public displays of anger, which escalates to, the moment they are alone, "This is how you like to rile me up, huh, b!*&%?" as he covertly hits her in the side or grabs her roughly, which then escalates to something much worse - and so she is fighting to prevent injury to herself.
She needs a lot of counseling to understand domestic violence. And Rice? He needs jail time and to be ostracized from society until he learns how to act like a normal, mature human. The rest of us need to not excuse domestic violence or blame its victims, in any way, IMO.
