GUILTY NH - Abby Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 Oct 2013 - #15

[formerjerseygirl]

Also meant to add- prosecutor misspoke-left off helmet when saying he put a motorcycle on her head. You see kibby at that point and he tries to keep from smirking at her mistaken words.

 

[mpnola]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watc...ilty-to-kidnapping-assaulting-girl/vp-BBtxQXg
a few more details-including about the letter. I cannot find the version i heard live. They stopped streaming but not before i listened to unspeakable details that i wish i could forever erase from hearing and made me sick for her to have gone thru. It was stated she had blisters on her feet and no socks on with boots which was why she accepted the ride. He pulled into a parking lot and tased her. Bless her

Thank you! I am going to listen as soon as my little boy leaves the room. The letter was actually the info I was wanting to hear about. We talked about it so much and it seems she was trying to send a secret message. I wanted to hear about her strength and never-give-up attitude. Maybe its crazy, but when people do things that aid in their safe return, I like to make a mental note, in case I ever need it! lol

 

[MamaJoJo]

I will try to find the link where it was stated but from my memory AH said that the boots she wore to school that day had given her blisters so she was limping on her walk home and the reason she accepted a ride with him when she normally wouldn't have.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before and I haven't had a chance to see (or hear) the beginning of the court proceedings from the plea acceptance. I hate, hate, hate Kibby.

 

[Max17]

A set of long articles from Union Leader answering most of the "technical" questions we had when she was missing:

Prosecutor details desperate search, intense investigation that ended in Kibby's arrest
http://www.unionleader.com/Prosecut...nse-investigation-that-ended-in-Kibbys-arrest

Investigators pinned down the area where the girl's phone had gone dark near Settlers Green.

And that led to a disturbing conclusion. It was too far from where the girl had sent her last text for her to have walked - or even run - there. "So you have to be in a vehicle moving in that direction," Young said.

Captive for nine months, Kibby's victim survived chamber of horrors
http://www.unionleader.com/Captive-for-nine-months-Kibbys-victim-survived-chamber-of-horrors

In an interview Friday, Young revealed for the first time that the girl had sent three different letters to her mom during her captivity.

The first envelope contained letters to her mother and her boyfriend, dated Oct. 22. The girl tried to scratch a secret message to her mother with one of her acrylic nails, but Kibby discovered it and made her write another letter.

"She paid a hefty price for that," Young said.

Authorities did not reveal the letter to the public until December, after they spent weeks verifying that the girl had written it, and trying to trace its path. And shortly after that December news conference, the girl sent a second letter. She was OK but she wasn't ready to come home, she wrote.

She didn't try to send another secret message. "She learned her lesson from the first letter," Young said.

The girl sent one final letter in June, for her mom's birthday.

Near the end of her imprisonment, Kibby sometimes took the girl out for rides, putting her in the trunk or backseat. "All she craved was air and sun," Young said. "He brought her to some obscure places."

Victim is 'brave beyond words'
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20160529/NEWS03/160529255/1006/NEWS03

Just two weeks into an ordeal that would last more than nine months, she tried to scratch a secret message into a letter Kibby let her write to her mom: "White male, blue eyes, silver car."

She called the girl at school on Thursday to say Kibby had agreed to the deal. "And the relief that she had was palpable."

Young's admiration for the girl is unbounded. "She is brave beyond words," she said. "Every time I see her, she's a miracle," she said.

Kibby had three close calls with police while girl was held
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20160529/NEWS03/160529252

During the nine months Nathaniel Kibby was holding a girl captive on his Gorham property, he had three separate encounters with police.

 

[mpnola]

I just can't. Her strength is incomprehensible.

I can imagine that through every single heart breaking moment of every day, the one piece of hope and joy was receiving letters. I am now wondering if she didnt address them to the PO Box so that Evilboy didn't have her actual address. I am a little surprised to find out that she wrote one to her boyfriend, considering the dad acted like the letters were a complete shock (I think I am remembering that correctly).

This guy is evil beyond all evil. I still think he definitely learned some tricks from Ariel Castro. The group of girls (women!) who emerge from these monsters are in an elite group that no one wants to be part of, but their strength is that of 10,000 men. Enjoy your sunshine and fresh air today, baby. I hope that one day you discover your name is filled with power and hope and love. Or you create one that is special to you that gives you that realization (Michelle Knight now calls herself Lily, so I imagine it is a common feeling to have.) <3

 

[Steleheart]

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20160529/NEWS03/160529255/1006/NEWS03

"And nine months later, she made Kibby believe that if he let her go, she wouldn't tell". - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20160529/NEWS03/160529255/1006/NEWS03#sthash.oqSHtBs9.dpuf

From the first day she went missing and before it appeared here I was glued to this case. For me, as other Websleuthers know well for themselves, this was "the one".
After following Skylar Neese and Jessica Ridgeway here and in the news I registered to follow this one. I never missed a detail. Like Jane young and Kieran Ramsey of the Boston FBI I never lost hope though I feared the worst.

The area, the town and indeed the entire White Mountain National Forest is dear to me. For more than 30 years my wife and I have spent all our vacation time there. I was heart-struck when I heard this news.

After all that time, nothing we or anyone did brought her home.

She did that.

So when others want to detract from her strength of soul, her inner spirit, her will to survive and her character I get irritated. No I get hurt.
"she made Kibby believe "

She defeated an idiot! That is not to say that some who do not survive are not strong enough. He's a moron! But she had a will that some may not have had. She joins the ranks of the few survivors like her.

I so wish there were an app that would automatically change the word victim here to 'survivor'.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

It is such a miracle that he didn't kill her. She is one smart young woman to have negotiated her own release! :skip:

 

[tlcya]

She is indeed a victor, no victim is AH.

She kept her wits about her, she used her brains and her cunning and her sheer will to survive to outwit this dangerous predator. That took a strength of will and presence of mind that many adults do not have.

 

[Steleheart]

The State's sentencing documents;

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/052716kibbysentencesheets.pdf

 

[newguy123]

Strange to see it all reduced to some forms with boxes checked off here and there. Hard to imagine all the pain and suffering which lies behind it all. At least this makes it "done". I do hope AH finds some sort of security in knowing he is locked away.

 

[Steleheart]

Kibby now trying to block unsealing of his letters written directly y to the court;

"Based on the foregoing, the court finds and rules that the defendant’s response correctly
recommends that a witness’s appointed counsel be provided notice of the order nisi. Accordingly,
the defendant’s request is GRANTED to that extent, and the effective date of the unsealing of
those records is enlarged to June 28, 2016. A copy of this order and the order nisi is to be served
on counsel for the witness. The defendant’s remaining arguments lack merit. Accordingly, the
response’s request is DENIED. The remaining documents shall be disclosed and unsealed on the
dates specified in the court’s May 31, 2016 order nisi.
So ORDERED."
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061316kibby-Order.pdf

Delayed until 6/28

Motion - http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061516kibby-mo.pdf

Order - http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061516kibby-order.pdf

 

[mpnola]

Kibby now trying to block unsealing of his letters written directly y to the court;

"Based on the foregoing, the court finds and rules that the defendant&#8217;s response correctly
recommends that a witness&#8217;s appointed counsel be provided notice of the order nisi. Accordingly,
the defendant&#8217;s request is GRANTED to that extent, and the effective date of the unsealing of
those records is enlarged to June 28, 2016. A copy of this order and the order nisi is to be served
on counsel for the witness. The defendant&#8217;s remaining arguments lack merit. Accordingly, the
response&#8217;s request is DENIED. The remaining documents shall be disclosed and unsealed on the
dates specified in the court&#8217;s May 31, 2016 order nisi.
So ORDERED."
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061316kibby-Order.pdf

Delayed until 6/28

Motion - http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061516kibby-mo.pdf

Order - http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2016/061516kibby-order.pdf

What is that about?? I dont understand.

 

[Steleheart]

What is that about?? I dont understand.

After the plea deal when the case was completed, the court issued an order to unseal the letters that Kibby had written to the court "if there was no objection". Kibby has filed an objection to this order and part of it has been delayed temporarily.

The court argues that the public's right to know outweighs the defendant's right to attorney /client privilege since public funding paid for his counsel. The stay was granted with respect to a potential witness' right to review the order since that witness has a right to have counsel review it first.


Kibby has not yet settled into his jail cell and new life it seems, LOL

 

[mpnola]

After the plea deal when the case was completed, the court issued an order to unseal the letters that Kibby had written to the court "if there was no objection". Kibby has filed an objection to this order and part of it has been delayed temporarily.

The court argues that the public's right to know outweighs the defendant's right to attorney /client privilege since public funding paid for his counsel. The stay was granted with respect to a potential witness' right to review the order since that witness has a right to have counsel review it first.


Kibby has not yet settled into his jail cell and new life it seems, LOL

But I guess my questions is what type of letters would he have written that would have been sealed and now will be unsealed? And why wouldnt he want them unsealed?

 

[Steleheart]

But I guess my questions is what type of letters would he have written that would have been sealed and now will be unsealed? And why wouldnt he want them unsealed?

Apparently, according to what I can extract from the documents, he had written letters directly to the court with regard to his counsel which was a court appointed attorney
It seems that he wanted the court to intervene on some issue of disagreement with the attorneys.
This action seems to me to be from the attorneys because disclosure could impact the public's impression of their counsel. Kibby's personal writings is the part that was denied. If anyone else got a different perspective from the documents I would love it. It's too heady for me, LOL


JMO
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[Steleheart]

I never seen these details of the woman Kibby paid with counterfeit money:

"Prosecutors have credited Munday’s actions with prompting a panicked Kibby to release his victim, whom he had held captive for nine months, most of the time in a storage container near his Gorham trailer. - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/crime/he...bys-victim-free-20160821#sthash.IO3ZsU7o.dpuf


Wow a lot of information here relating to how he ended up letting her go.

 

[skibaboo]

I never seen these details of the woman Kibby paid with counterfeit money:

"Prosecutors have credited Munday&#8217;s actions with prompting a panicked Kibby to release his victim, whom he had held captive for nine months, most of the time in a storage container near his Gorham trailer. - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/crime/he...bys-victim-free-20160821#sthash.IO3ZsU7o.dpuf


Wow a lot of information here relating to how he ended up letting her go.

Wow indeed stele! I don't quite know what to say, that's crazy! He went to what he called a 'prostitute' with counterfeit money, when he was doing what he was doing to poor A. Good for her for calling him mad, who knows what may have happened if she had not, wow!

 

[Aleph]

It's not enough to have a girl tied up at home, he had to go to another state to see a prostitute?


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[Steleheart]

It's not enough to have a girl tied up at home, he had to go to another state to see a prostitute?


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He has extreme problems with women. His victim was purely due to rage with power and control. She was a helpless child.
His outburst on the phone in jail against Jane Young was pure rage and violence. Toward a powerful woman no less!
During that exchange he was supposedly on the phone with a 'girlfriend' who has not been heard from but who is named in the indictment.
There are reports that he had a girlfriend visiting on those weekends at the trailer who may or may not be the "EX" girlfriend he bought the trailer from.
At the same time he was due for a trial on that Monday after the victim was released, to answer a charge of assault against a woman who was the girlfriend of the man whose truck he rear-ended - yeah, no, he didn't attack the guy, just the woman... That woman was afraid and paralyzed with anxiety and didn't show so the charge was dismissed

And then this prostitute, one would think it was for sex but she was "asleep in his arms" saying that "women don&#8217;t understand him".

EX's, unrequited prostitutes, rape victim(s), comfort in the arms of a strange woman... Whining for money...

Mommy issues Nate!?!?


http://www.unionleader.com/crime/her-phone-call-set-nathaniel-kibbys-victim-free-20160821
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/2015/07172015-kibbyindict.pdf
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/caseinfo/pdf/kibby/

MOO


ETA Please don't sleuth people not interviewed just because the had the unfortunate experience of crossing paths with Nate Kibby. Most have been spared the misfortune of scrutiny in an actual trial and deserve peace IMO.

 

[Steleheart]

Wow indeed stele! I don't quite know what to say, that's crazy! He went to what he called a 'prostitute' with counterfeit money, when he was doing what he was doing to poor A. Good for her for calling him mad, who knows what may have happened if she had not, wow!

LOL He apparently paid her to have no sex. :therethere: :waiting:

During the same period he was beating up a woman whose boyfriend he rear-ended. Shortly after that he he was on the phone threatening the Associate Attorney General!.

ETA: IMO Counterfeit money is just a metaphor for, "Yeah I have performance problems"