GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #10

[LookingHoping]

I think more about is somebody else meeting her needs...it is clear she had no money, she left with just the clothes on her back. The worry seems obviously parental to me. Innate concern for one's young,

And to make a statement about a disorder off another's words would be irresponsible. Unless you've seen and heard from the patient personally... Especially where we really know nothing about the child herself other than the great things her parents mentioned in MSM for which I'm off to find links, but there was an article prior to Christmas discussing Abby, the person that she is.

Here: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20131212/NEWS/131219726

 

[Curiosum]

I think more about is somebody else meeting her needs...it is clear she had no money, she left with just the clothes on her back. The worry seems obviously parental to me. Innate concern for one's young,

And to make a. Statement about a disorder off another's words would be irresponsible. Unless you've seen and heard from the patient personally...no such dx could be contemplated. Especially where we really know nothing about the child herself other than the great things her parents mentioned in MSM for which I'm off to find links, but there was an article prior to Christmas discussing Abby, the person that's he is.

Here: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20131212/NEWS/131219726

Oh I completely didn't offer it as a diagnosis. Even as we move into an age of tele-medicine I don't believe in diagnosing outside of an established physician-patient relationship so I'll certainly never do it via an online forum. I merely said that reading his letter made me question if she could have had an eating disorder. I didn't diagnose anything.

 

[tlcya]

it is fine to wonder things and fine to speculate but we must be cautious when speculating as allowing non factual info that is based solely on an impression from a few snips of a letter to guide our theories would be irresponsible and earn us a chiding from mods.

 

[vega]

Kansas Serial Killer John Robinson would send letters to the relatives and friends of his victims in order to 'trick' them into believing the victims were still alive and to throw off LE. He would have his victims sign blank stationary, which he would then fill in and mail at later dates. He even went so far as to pay a private postal company to falsify the post mark where the letters were mailed from to further confuse the issue for the families and LE. In the Robinson case file LE almost always dropped the investigation into the missing person based on the periodic arrival of these letters assuring the family the victim was safe and doing well. Robinson also changed jurisdictions, so as not to get too much heat from any single LE agency. Being on the Kansas/MO border aided him in this couter-measure.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Abigail Hernandez Case Archive:

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/library/Abigail%20Hernandez%20%20-NH-#/user/crankycrankerson/library/Abigail%20Hernandez%20%20-NH-?sort=6&page=1&_suid=138889762142006701360533851132

 

[TheNightOwl]

http://m.wmur.com/news/ruben-hernan...ail/-/17440650/22804638/-/jdiplq/-/index.html

I have to wonder if there was more than one letter. When I read the letter written to AH from RH he seemed to be addressing issues such as all of the media attention and even in a recent letter to her he mentioned it again saying he would do whatever it takes to make sure she was not bothered by the media. Also he specifically said this comment: In the last letter that you wrote me you ended it by saying…."I love you very, very, very much and that you will always be my dad." Well darling let me also say that I love you very, very, very much, and that you will always be my daughter.

I wonder when he received the last letter that AH wrote to him??? If it was before she vanished then that sounds like a Good Bye Dad comment or something to give him comfort. If he received a letter just like AH's mom and he got it a few days before ZH that might explain his public letter on facebook. IMO his comments seem similar to ZH letters as if both were replying to letters. Letter dated Oct 22 was received Nov6... I can't imagine if your child goes missing that you aren't checking your mail every single day just in case hoping and praying for a letter.
Also in his most recent letter on fb I noticed something. At the end of one sentence there is a small case f. Do you think thats a typo? And one last thing, around Christmas I saw something somewhere saying there was recent new information but nothing was ever issued to the public. Was there another letter or lead? ZH seemed so hopeful that AH will be home. I hope Abby does come home. With all of the bad things that can happen to young girls, it scares me.

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/ru...22804638/-/12i4nxe/-/index.html#ixzz2pVGb0ROn

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

When I read his letter, I question if she had an eating disorder. Perhaps there was conflict over this and her treatment and perhaps he believes that she fled to get away from their efforts to help her. Admittedly, I'm reading this as a pediatrician and perhaps I'm way off base.

As far as dad (and or mom) knowing her online passwords, I'm not sure how I feel about that. My husband and I haven't been blessed with navigating adolescence yet but I do have colleagues who do require the passwords of any online accounts their minor children have. I'm not saying that will be the approach we take but I do think parents need to take some approach to ensure that their children are safe online.

Wellcome Cruriosum:seeya:

BBM. I thought the same with the eating thing.. Thank you..

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I know all my kids' passwords to all their social media, email, computers, etc.

If I were a teen and had to share all my social media passwords with my mom and dad, no doubt I would create second pages LOL.. :floorlaugh:

 

[Steleheart]

For me it has nothing at all to do with trusting them. It is about keeping them safe. I do not go read every thing every day. I check in now and then...more rarely than they think! I have also told them if they keep a journal in a doc or book that is off limits to me unless I have clear reason to feel they are in danger. I'm not sneaking anything....trying to respect them and be honest. Even five yrs ago the amt of social networking was much less. Too many scams, creeps, etc to let them free I to the world at these young ages..,which is what social networking does. IMHO

Doesn't seem this is directly on topic except for that it shows differences in parenting and why we cannot make any assumptions we gather from letters or other media (nor rumor). The focus needs to be on getting this child back home safe and sound.



Where are you Abby???

You are so right. Sorry Eileen, LOL
My daughters did not have a computer or a TV in their rooms. I had to have their passwords for every online activity that they did. Even then I found out that neopets and youtube had their own chat thingys. My DD wasn't doing anything wrong but when I found out she lost her games and internet for a month (week) ( lol) (forever) (itssohardbeingdad)
When they each turned 16 (14forthebaby) they got to choose their own passwords (they think)
I guess my point is that from everything I can see Abby was one of those kids that you just trust.
But even her mom-
Didn't know-
she wasn't-
taking the bus-
that day-

 

[Steleheart]

I can't handle this. I don't know how some of you do it.

 

[skibaboo]

Oh I completely didn't offer it as a diagnosis. Even as we move into an age of tele-medicine I don't believe in diagnosing outside of an established physician-patient relationship so I'll certainly never do it via an online forum. I merely said that reading his letter made me question if she could have had an eating disorder. I didn't diagnose anything.

:welcome: Curiosum

Good to hear perspective from a qualified physician as I have thought this myself, along with the other thing we can't discuss (P word) IMHO IF Abby ran away she had a good reason, she appears to be a smart young lady to me. I was sick when I was young, I was eventually diagnosed with Crohns when I was 12 but for a while the doctors questioned an eating disorder, which I was very confused about.

 

[LookingHoping]

If I were a teen and had to share all my social media passwords with my mom and dad, no doubt I would create second pages LOL.. :floorlaugh:

Maybe, but if I find them they lose their internet privileges. Laugh if you will, but I have to try to be responsible on my end. I have kids for now who come to me and I'm pretty darn fair. Should one just say screw it, they'll do what they want anyway?

Steleheart, I'm with you, I tossed and turned all night thinking of Abby. I am not built for following these cases...one is too many.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

My apologies LH , I absolutely not intented to laugh at what you said but "myself" as giving an example of my own naughty teenage days.. I guess I couldn't express it well .. :blushing:

BTW I wonder if Abby is a runaway and hope she is , maybe she has a fake profile which she interacts / interacted with someone / a best friend etc..
Just an opinion...

 

[MamaJoJo]

My apologies LH , I absolutely not intented to laugh at what you said but "myself" as giving an example of my own naughty teenage days.. I guess I couldn't express it well .. :blushing:

BTW I wonder if Abby is a runaway and hope she is , maybe she has a fake profile which she interacts / interacted with someone / a best friend etc..
Just an opinion...

Maybe. But wouldn't that profile be visible to the FBI if it was accessed from her computer or phone?

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Maybe. But wouldn't that profile be visible to the FBI if it was accessed from her computer or phone?

I guees it would but I meant after she ran away and from a different phone or computer could she have any interaction meantime?

 

[MamaJoJo]

I guees it would but I meant after she ran away and from a different phone or computer could she have any interaction meantime?

Ha, I was going to add that possibility. Yes, maybe. But that would suggest that she is being taken care of enough to have a computer or new phone.

:tantrum:

What in the world happened to her? And, where is the world is she? (add a few expletives to those questions)

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I think that mom's and dad's letters are either coortinated or checked by LE before released for the sake of the investigation they are vitally important imo.

That said, if I were LE, I would think it twice to demand a password which is known only by two people for the authenticity of the author of the letter ..
Say a second letter with a Bible scripture happens to arrive, what would LE do then? as long as noone is ruled out yet. Would LE still consider Abby as a missing person or would the case turn to be a runaway ?

JMO

 

[MamaJoJo]

I think that mom's and dad's letters are either coortinated or checked by LE before released for the sake of the investigation they are vitally important imo.

That said, if I were LE, I would think it twice to demand a password which is known only by two people for the authenticity of the author of the letter ..
Say a second letter with a Bible scripture happens to arrive, what would LE do then? as long as noone is ruled out yet. Would LE still consider Abby as a missing person or would the case turn to be a runaway ?

JMO

I agree about the letters. That is one reason I was asking about the wording of them. But, maybe they only gave guidelines of what not to say.

I can only guess that LE will consider AH a missing person until she shows up on their door step. I would think that the password business would only be for the father to judge if that is adequate information of her safety.

 

[MamaJoJo]

There is a heartfelt message to AH from a friend on the MHFAH page. More clues to Abby's life.

In looking at the page, I see that it's not very active at all. There are over 10,000 likes but only 444 are "talking about" it. C'mon people!

 

[LookingHoping]

The BAH page is the active page.